[ANN][ICO] OPHION - A Secure, Anonymous & Decentralized Market |CROWDSALE LIVE| - page 12.

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Quote from: Hunterwolfie on May 09, 2016, 06:08:43 AM

Sorry but if you are asking for money to fund your little enterprise and then you get locked up and the site goes down, it does make it directly the business of your users.

If you are asking for funds, then don't alienate your potential investors from the outset.

These are valid and legitimate concerns and you could address those without coming off like an arrogant prat.

Just my two cents.

First of all, I'm not attempting to come off like an "arrogant prat" because we don't want our users to worry about our legality issues because honestly, that shouldn't be something they need to worry about at all. If you have read the whitepaper, which I'm guessing you didn't but that's fine, you would have discovered that Ophion is a decentralized marketplace. Which means if I get locked up, nothing happens, the "site" won't go down.

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Ophion is a decentralized market; in essence, this means that everyone who runs the
client or node server is some cases is responsible for keeping the network going. There is
no centralized server that can be taken down. As long as people keep using Ophion (and
Bitcoin), the network is unstoppable and Ophion Market keeps running.

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Quote from: Hazelnutter on May 08, 2016, 06:20:54 PM

Quote from: ttookk on May 08, 2016, 06:12:19 PM

You'd still need a good lawyer. I wouldn't want to be the guy who has to explain why you can't provide any data of users from your site.

Just trust me, we have all of this figured out. Legality issues of this area are not necessarily the business of Ophion's users. Meaning that we can handle ourselves while keeping Ophion's anonymity and security standards at an all time high.

We cant provide data from users of our site... as this is an encrypted decentralized application and not a website.

Sorry but if you are asking for money to fund your little enterprise and then you get locked up and the site goes down, it does make it directly the business of your users.

If you are asking for funds, then don't alienate your potential investors from the outset.

These are valid and legitimate concerns and you could address those without coming off like an arrogant prat.

Just my two cents.

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Crowdsale Starts Tuesday 10th May 2016 22:00 BST (GMT +1)

Please be sure to check back for links and more details to be announced beforehand. If you have any questions we will be glad to answer them.

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Quote from: ttookk on May 08, 2016, 06:12:19 PM

You'd still need a good lawyer. I wouldn't want to be the guy who has to explain why you can't provide any data of users from your site.

Just trust me, we have all of this figured out. Legality issues of this area are not necessarily the business of Ophion's users. Meaning that we can handle ourselves while keeping Ophion's anonymity and security standards at an all time high.

We cant provide data from users of our site... as this is an encrypted decentralized application and not a website.

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Quote from: Hazelnutter on May 08, 2016, 05:32:37 PM

Quote from: BitPotus on May 08, 2016, 10:53:46 AM

No, but am sure that the very fact that you are allowing "hidden shops" to operate with the implied possibility of "illegal activities" is sufficient enough to drag you in a court of law by some judge somewhere.........

Just saying, don't put your neck on the line if it doesn't have to be on said line.

Hidden shops are for users that only want certain people to be able to buy from them and whatnot. Almost like an Invite only store or forum even. Ophion is a marketplace tool, if people use it for malicious activities we cannot be held responsible.

The fact that illegal activities can occur in these shops is not under our control, there's nothing we can do to prevent them and that's what I'm going to leave this conversation at.

You'd still need a good lawyer. I wouldn't want to be the guy who has to explain why you can't provide any data of users from your site.

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Quote from: BitPotus on May 08, 2016, 10:53:46 AM

No, but am sure that the very fact that you are allowing "hidden shops" to operate with the implied possibility of "illegal activities" is sufficient enough to drag you in a court of law by some judge somewhere.........

Just saying, don't put your neck on the line if it doesn't have to be on said line.

Hidden shops are for users that only want certain people to be able to buy from them and whatnot. Almost like an Invite only store or forum even. Ophion is a marketplace tool, if people use it for malicious activities we cannot be held responsible.

The fact that illegal activities can occur in these shops is not under our control, there's nothing we can do to prevent them and that's what I'm going to leave this conversation at.

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Quote from: Hazelnutter on May 08, 2016, 10:47:56 AM

Quote from: BitPotus on May 08, 2016, 10:38:41 AM

1. You are explicitly implying that illegal activities will occur in the hidden shops.

2. Aren't you worried about potential legal implications since you have openly revealed your identity, if it is indeed you?

Just curious.

I will be following with interest.

Sorry if you misunderstood what I said but I explained that Ophion Representatives will not be able to see what happens in hidden shops, we do not condone illegal activities but we have no way of managing what goes on in these hidden shops.

I'm not worried about any legal implications because of the simple fact that we don't condone those activities. Yet, it is not our fault that we can't do anything about them if they are done in hidden shops.

Think about it theoretically, if a doctor prescribed you some medication and you sold it, would the doctor be at fault? Even though he didn't know that's what you'd do? No.

I hope this clears things up here.

No, but am sure that the very fact that you are allowing "hidden shops" to operate with the implied possibility of "illegal activities" is sufficient enough to drag you in a court of law by some judge somewhere.........

They love scapegoats.....

Just saying, don't put your neck on the line if it doesn't have to be on said line.

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Quote from: MEDVEDja on May 08, 2016, 10:41:57 AM

ICO and dev Jr.Member Angry

, maybe we need Bittrex ICO Huh

This project has been in planning for about two months already and we need the funds for continual development and future advertising to raise awareness and knowledge of Ophion's presence in the Crypto community. We have a whitepaper that explains all about the project, if you'd like more information feel free to contact us at [email protected] or message me on BCT or simply reply in this thread.

Ref link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/project-decentralized-marketplace-using-current-bitcoin-blockchain-and-asset-1408773

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Quote from: BitPotus on May 08, 2016, 10:38:41 AM

1. You are explicitly implying that illegal activities will occur in the hidden shops.

2. Aren't you worried about potential legal implications since you have openly revealed your identity, if it is indeed you?

Just curious.

I will be following with interest.

Sorry if you misunderstood what I said but I explained that Ophion Representatives will not be able to see what happens in hidden shops, we do not condone illegal activities but we have no way of managing what goes on in these hidden shops.

I'm not worried about any legal implications because of the simple fact that we don't condone those activities. Yet, it is not our fault that we can't do anything about them if they are done in hidden shops.

Think about it theoretically, if a doctor prescribed you some medication and you sold it, would the doctor be at fault? Even though he didn't know that's what you'd do? No.

I hope this clears things up here.

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ICO and dev Jr.Member Angry

, maybe we need Bittrex ICO Huh

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Quote from: Hazelnutter on May 08, 2016, 10:14:17 AM

Quote from: Hunterwolfie on May 08, 2016, 07:58:14 AM

So this willl be the next Drugs R Us Marketplace.

How many OPHIONS(OPH) will 1 gram of charlie cost?

That is the question.

Might want to load up on OPHIONS (OPH) then, where do I sign up?

I think you misunderstand the meaning of anonymity and the meaning behind Ophion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymity

Just because you can be anonymous does not mean you need to partake in illegal activities. We do not condone any illegal activity on Ophion, these illegal activities that are not placed under hidden shops will be taken down without question. If Ophion representatives are able to see it and it's illegal then it will be taken down, but we can't do anything about hidden shops.

1. You are explicitly implying that illegal activities will occur in the hidden shops.

2. Aren't you worried about potential legal implications since you have openly revealed your identity, if it is indeed you?

Just curious.

I will be following with interest.

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I liked. I'll keep one eye in it.

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Quote from: Hunterwolfie on May 08, 2016, 07:58:14 AM

So this willl be the next Drugs R Us Marketplace.

How many OPHIONS(OPH) will 1 gram of charlie cost?

That is the question.

Might want to load up on OPHIONS (OPH) then, where do I sign up?

I think you misunderstand the meaning of anonymity and the meaning behind Ophion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymity

Just because you can be anonymous does not mean you need to partake in illegal activities. We do not condone any illegal activity on Ophion, these illegal activities that are not placed under hidden shops will be taken down without question. If Ophion representatives are able to see it and it's illegal then it will be taken down, but we can't do anything about hidden shops.

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So this willl be the next Drugs R Us Marketplace.

How many OPHIONS(OPH) will 1 gram of charlie cost?

That is the question.

Might want to load up on OPHIONS (OPH) then, where do I sign up?

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Quote from: Jazzycrypt on May 08, 2016, 04:04:12 AM

is there planned any reward for ICO promotion like twitter/FB/sign?

Jazzyscript,

We plan on doing a signature campaign after we get the ICO Started and some funds start coming in. We want Ophion to be as successful as possible and that's determined by the amount of users we have and followers we have obtained.

Quote from: cryptoheadd on May 08, 2016, 04:08:33 AM

Any bounties?

Cryptoheadd,

Once ICO starts we may start offering translation bounties for the post, whitepaper, etc. This question was answered above, hope this is sufficient.

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Any bounties?

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is there planned any reward for ICO promotion like twitter/FB/sign?

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Update:

Hi All,

We now have an official twitter and slack channel, feel free to join to ask questions and join the community spirit. You will need to get a slack channel invite first before you can join, The link is below.

Official Twitter
Official Slack Channel
Get Slack Channel Invite

Regards,

Sebastian

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Quote from: Quartx on May 07, 2016, 09:39:14 PM

May I know why AES is used? With quantum computers and implementation of Shor's getting better, wouldnt it be better to use post-quantum crypto? It would offer you the biggest edge over bitcoins , although sha256 is still pretty resistant to shor

Hi Quartx,

We have looked into many algorithms for this project and weighing up the pros and cons. We wanted an algorithm that would not slow the network down when loading public viewable products for sale, not too much anyway. We have gone for what we decided what a practical solution rather than something that was overkill or could compromise practicality of the network.

Our main aim is to keep our clients data and transactions safe and if there comes a point where this is no longer possible, then Ophion 2.0 will be released.

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Quote from: BitFomo on May 07, 2016, 09:26:44 PM

Can you provide more details about the structure? ie. How will coin holders benefit from holding this coin, when the market will use bitcoin? Is there a profit share from fees?

Hi BitFomo,

We will be utilizing OPH Assets instead of Bitcoin directly, We have chosen this for a specific purpose. Security and Anonymity.

Using OPH for payment will add an extra payment protection layer underneath Bitcoin which will increase the difficulty of tracing if not make it near impossible. The current Bitcoin system requires mixing to be nearly anonymous and that still is not guaranteed with taint analysis, this is already done with an asset based system especially when you can withdraw to Bitcoin via an exchange and then re-purchase.

We are hoping to be on exchanges shortly after release. Especially as this is a new technology if there is lots of interest you may see it on popular exchanges sooner than later.

Edit: I noticed another part of your question I have yet to answer.

During initial crowdsale we will be selling OPH Asset at a cheaper price than its prospective value when the network launches. Holding onto the OPH Asset you buy during the initial weeks of crowdsale will benefit you if you decide to sell on after crowdsale ends.

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