Topic: [ANN]INNOVA - We strive for innovation and adoption! | Hybrid Tribus coin - page 28. (Read 154447 times)

It just takes a simple script (many readily available online) to replace a list of words with whatever you like to a batch of files. Fixing anything replaced that shouldn't have been, like a name on a copyright, would be done later.
Regardless of how the credits were removed, even if thru ignorance, I give the devs the benefit of doubt they're not trying to pass off copied code as their own. There would be no benefit since their not selling it. It has no effect on the coin or what it can do.

There are other Dash clones, but most or all have problems. Too much premine, still using X11, no mobile wallet, etc. Mobile wallets are very important nowdays, as so many primarily use mobile. It is good that the dev team is working on a mobile wallet rather than fixing things that aren't broke.

Anyway, this is all getting redundant. The only reason I respond is I know this will sit here forever and others will come and see all your FUD and probably move on to another project instead of investigating this one, like I did. Hopefully I provided a little better insight.

coinsplease is a crypto-noob

You do not find and replace copyrights. That is the point. That is illegal. And it is in multiple places from multiple different copyright holders. Not just a simple find and replace. I can show you many more but its too much FUD for you. Look for yourself. With the copyrights all replaced it might be hard for you to find who did what. If you get stuck think you found something original I can help. Post here.

I will just take one random example from you: Bulwark : started at the same time. 77 commits. At first glance I don't see copyright issues. https://github.com/bulwark-crypto/Bulwark/blob/master/src/activemasternode.h . Electrum wallet 9k commits.  I am not vouching for them. I don't know anything about them. And irrelevant. Sure I bet there is another scam somewhere else. If you know about one I recommend pointing it out to the people being scammed. Somebody mentioned before that there are other similar projects. Maybe the same team or class project. If it was a class project they would be expelled. That is unless it was trump university, then they would get an A+ for successful fraud.

There are other changes, if you'd have compared the files, you would see. Yet you call me lazy. And that is just one file out of many. I'm not going to compare each file to count all the changes, but feel free.

As far as the copyright notice "taking work" to replace. It's likely they ran Find & Replace. Since you're such a good coder, you should know what that is. Find and replace "Dash" with "Innova". The downside is it replaces that word everywhere, including the Copyright notice. Look at hundreds of other coins, and you'll find the same exact thing.

ASIC resistance has everything to do with the subject matter. Dash had like 30% premine, and it's hash power is controlled by big money, yet you're here whining and calling this a scam when the biggest point of Innova is to remove the centralized profit, and give it to the community.
Nobody is trying to pitch Innova as a completely new ground-up build. Nobody is trying to sell the software. Yet you holler fraud.

TONS of crypto is worked on in secret. Including some big ones.
Some successful projects without daily commits: Cloak, Bulwark, Obsidian, Electrum Wallet, tons more small coins / crypto related stuff.

More activity is good, yes, but that's still no reason to make the accusations you do. You are like everyone's annoying aunt. Mrs. Nitpick 

Yes, I know what ASIC is and it has nothing what so ever to do with the conversation. I am not discussing what is good technology and bad technology. I am discussing what is legit vs fraudulent.

It took work to fraudulently put that copyright in there and not change anything else. I just pointed out one example but its all over the place from multiple different copyright holders. I could post some more FUD examples if you like.  So yes they did it intentionally. And apparently in this environment they can get away with it. They have you claiming there is some new creation here. When they remove the fraudulent copyrights whats left? And show me a successful opensource project without daily commits from day one. I think you'll find more per/dev activity early in the project. There is no reason to work on it in secret.

But you are right about one thing. All they had to do to shut me up months ago was fix the issues and explain. Why not do that? I know they read this forum. Maybe because they would have to be honest and say, well we just copied stuff from other people and don't have any IP of our own. I don't know why we called it innovative.

So apparently INNOVA credits sources in many places, while in others it is missing. I don't think this is something worth devoting so much time and FUD to. It's not like Innova devs would have done this intentionally. Anyone who's anyone in crypto design knows about Dash masternode system. It would be impossible to try to pass off their code as a new creation.

Why not just message the devs or something? All that needs changed in the masternode file you shared, is the addition of this line above their own copy write notice.

INNOVA is based on Dash. However, with INNOVA, you get the good parts of Dash, without the excessive premine and centralization of mining power, Putting coin control back into the hands of ordinary people with a computer. Do you even know what an ASIC is?

INNOVA is far superior, but go ahead and FUD away! Cheaper coins for me!

I have used and written opensource software for 20 years but who cares. Just look the facts and explain why I am wrong.

Don't be lazy and/or misleading. Read my post so I don't have to repeat....Again, here you go doctor as one example.

https://github.com/innovacoin/innova/blob/master/src/activemasternode.cpp
https://github.com/dashpay/dash/blob/master/src/activemasternode.cpp

@coinsplease

Old, well establish projects like LTC and DASH with large development teams are obviously going to have a lot of source commits.
A newborn project with small dev team will not have many source changes, especially when they are busy working on a wallet.

Again, you are posing as some sort of crypto coding lawyer genius, but have obviously never been involved with any projects, nor understand the MIT license.

They clearly show the copyright information, giving credit to the bitcoin code parts used, as well as their own code.

Meh... I didn't want to get caught up in defending a project I'm not even associated with, but you have serious issues, dude. I could probably find you on car forums telling mechanics how to fix a cars and giving medical advice to doctors.

I guess you are asking me. To my knowledge those are not scams. I have never mentioned any other coins, but perhaps do yourself a favor and look at the ~15,000 source commits on each of those two projects so you have some idea of what a software project looks like. Compare that to approximately zero source changes on this one.

Can someone, anyone, read my post where I highlight and point exactly to one of the copyright violations. Then please explain to the forum: Why the only change made to the code was to fraudulently change the copywriter to imply they created the technology? Then market it and sell it as something new. It what world is that not a scam? Maybe someone else can enlighten the forum on what a copyright is? Why put it there? What are the legal implications? I could, but its too much FUD for you guys.

@coinsplease, you appear to be giving investment advice, when you are clearly unqualified to do so. That is something that can actually be argued as illegal.
My comments are quite relevant, given the subject matter. It's as if you stumbled out of a lobotomy clinic and found yourself on this forum!
I purposely don't quote you when replying, because it's gross to have to see your comments twice.

I am just holding this coin. Dev is active on this thread and coin does not have major issues. So holding long term on this.

Jesus Christ. I'm not even going to dignify most of this bullshit with a response. It's like all these noobs have never heard of Open source software or a fork before. Guess what?
Litecoin is a clone. Literally they only changed the hashing algo. Does that make it a scam?
I remember when that happened. I also remember when tons of people were screaming  about how Dash was a scam because of this new fangaled "masternode" thing.

People dont like change and I further encourage you all to dump your Innova so I can buy it.
If you want to scream about scams you are welcome to go back to the newbie corner so someone else can deal with your FUD

Edit: a anon team doesn't mean there is a scam or shady shit afoot. That used to be standard. The whole cryptospace is spoiled rotten as it used to be that everyone was anon and the really public figures were the ones trying to take your cash. It's funny in retrospect that this is an argument at all

Thank you for reading some of my post. Now reread them and use your mind to try to understand the question I was asking. Wallet was referring to the currency I was selecting for payout on a mining pool which effects the transaction cost when using that currency. And, yes I now understand exactly where fees come from and most all aspects of current cryptocurrency technology so don't waste your keyboard.  Long term high fees are not going to work, burning electricity is not going to work, fraudulent copyrights and scams are not going to work. Something will work. That's what I am going to figure out.

Now that you have practiced some reading comprehension, why not comment on the RELEVANT post? Do everyone a favor and post all my bullet points here and comment on each one. I thought I had shown the clear copywriter violation, but I am the software industry realize it might not be as obvious to others. If somebody has read all my post and wants me to explain more aspects of it then I will. Or if you have a different take, or I made a mistake, then lets hear it. Just don't waste peoples time with my "mental disorder".

Thanks for explaining what FUD means. FUD sounds likely exactly what I need to be a successful investor. Separately I also enjoy my Vegas trips. I know exactly what my odds are with no fear, uncertainly or doubt.

leoinker, I am glad you are in on INN!. All the bubble money needs to be flushed out.

Is there an official announcement regarding staking coin change? Or is that only your speculation?

Yep that is fair. Lots of work to be done. Some innovation in the bounties and PR would be an improvement for sure. Communication seems to be a common issue with crypto. Some more than others. I'll assume INNOVA more than others. Their twitter is actually more active than some other more-popular cryptos, tho.
But, those making accusations without merit will not help anyone who's invested heavily. Calling something illegal without substantial proof is a bit extreme. Especially for someone so new to crypto.

I took some deep losses with XEM recently. I feel left in the dark about quite a few things, but I'm not spamming their forums with FUD.

Well there's plenty of flaws with innova.  Communication might be one of them with no actions to show for it.  More exchanges.  Most of the innova coin holders are out in the dark.  People have bought millions of dollars in coins.  You've got to wonder where this is heading. 

I'm not new and have not received any free coins.
I am a crypto investor that hadn't heard of INN until a few days ago. Today I bought a tiny bit. I have less than .0001% of my portfolio in INN.

I am not promoting INN, but merely pointing out flaws in the accusations made against a small fish in a pool of sharks. You can't expect every mom and pop shop to become the next Walmart overnight. There's plenty of scam coins out there that need light shed on them.

You are a noob as well.  Devs really need to start up something instead of hiding and passing out free coins in facebook and twitter.

I came here to read more about INN. I had not heard of it before, but saw it's price dropping quickly, and thought I would do some research and see if it's worth investing in.
Yes, I bought some! I didn't have a lot to invest, but I bought a little. And have buy orders for more if price falls further, as it looks like it is undervalued. Take that into consideration however you please.

There are some accusations in this thread, so I did some research. I couldn't find anything illegal with copy-write claims or otherwise. I do think this is a clear case of FUD. - Spreading Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. (I spelled it out, since coinsplease clearly still does not understand what FUD means! SMH!)

coinsplease has newbie account with 21 posts, 17 of which are to defame this project.   (Yes, I am newbie account as well, although I've been lurking since before I created my account 4 yrs ago)

Look at his other 4 posts. He is clearly completely new to crypto, and doesn't even understand the basics of the original one, BITCOIN.
"... I have heard that bitcoins transaction fees are very high. Who pays the transaction fee and how much is it going to be? Would it be smart for use a different wallet with lower transaction fees?"

Additionally, he talks about how developers do this or that on github, and apparently recognizes "copy+pasted" code, like he is an expert on crypto development. Yet he doesn't know who pays bitcoin transaction fees, thinks his wallet charges him, and has only "heard" fees are high...

I think it's actually quite likely that he has a mental disorder.
I do want to thank you, coinsplease, for encouraging my curiosity in this project. The more I read, the more I liked. And now I want INN on it!  

Hello everyone, we understand that you are fearful of the project. but I can assure you that the innova team is working daily on the evolution of the project. Moreover, we will soon release the mobile wallet (early March).

I invite you to follow us on telegram or Twitter because it is true that we pay less attention to the group bitcointalk.

All the best

INNOVA TEAM #nathouns

Did you even bother to read my post? From memory I feel like have explained why its illegal at least 3 or 4 times and every time pretty much the same clueless response. You are just creating noise with no information. Clueless and lazy.