have you incorporated yet?
No. The charter is nearly ready, need a few updates and explain it to Oliver. Then we may adjust it again after his feedback. Then we can do the next steps.
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April 26, 2016, 06:50:42 AM
No. The charter is nearly ready, need a few updates and explain it to Oliver. Then we may adjust it again after his feedback. Then we can do the next steps.
April 26, 2016, 06:42:07 AM
So when is LISK going to launch for real, it already be delayed 3 times
May 24th is the first explicit launch date we gave yet. Our estimations were delayed, that's why they were estimations.
About the database switch -- SQLite sucks at concurrent writing (it locks the DB) and most probably this was the issue.
Yep. We knew of the concurrency problem all along, but the stress test really opened our eyes that SQLite is really much worse than we anticipated and needs to be switched out sooner than later. Regarding why Postgres, you should write Oliver a PM on our chat or here on BTT.
People were right to be upset because the delivery launch was not kept to the promise, now you can call the new one the first explicit launch or anything. A launch date is a launch date not matter how we want to disguise now. Saying this now we all have to move forward but please not more misleading information that can upset once again people. Or we are serious what we say or we dont say it. 1.) If you are not sure about delivery time better not to say it or say something more credible like sometime summer time or winter time. Please dont give dates for the sake of it. Now lets move forward. 2.) Now we would like report weekly how the money is invested. Team members names and what they do. 3.) What marketing are you going to do, while people wait lets us see you are moving your fingers and want to see day by day marketing. Sorry if we sound now demanding but you let us down so its your duty now to bring our morals up and bring us all together with actions, real marketing. real name of all the people working on this project not donation. Please everyone lets move on and support lisk till the end as long as the Lisk Team deliver and make us see they are spending the money in marketing and hiring people not to make another delay. Many thanks
1. We said estimations like "End of March. End of April". Now we have a date, because we are certain we meet it. It's exactly what you are asking for.
2. Which money? Everything until now is paid out of our own pockets. Before the ICO started and we knew how successful Lisk will be, we already spent about $8000. Now we come closer to $20000. We don't have access to any funding collected. There is still only Oliver, Joel and I in the team.
Joel: Doing everything associated with the community. Answering questions, preparing academy guides, sending the newsletters, publishing community updates, handling the bounties (I think over 10000 stakes) and so on.
Oliver: Is developing and optimising Lisk. Just in the last week til today he successfully migrated the codebase to a different database engine, and improved block processing efficiency ten fold (after improved syncing speed twenty fold before). Besides Lisk core development, he also updates (with every release) the explorer, faucet, lisk-cli, lisk sdk, binaries, docker etc. He also regularly updates the Lisk chat and is currently stress testing 0.2.0 while preparing the release of it.
Max: I fight with you guys. :p No honestly, I'm talking with a lot of people which benefit will only become visible in many weeks or months. But this is extremely important. Besides this I try to be as open with everything as possible. Preparing important documents for launch on the vision and further development plans. Checking the legal documents provided by our lawyer for the legal Lisk entity. Answering emails, interviews, and questions. Improving the Lisk front end. Taking care of financials and the numbers.
3. We recently hired a PR company which worked with many crypto-currency startups before. More news soon. Besides that with the release now on the horizon we will start the marketing machine again. I think the past showed we know what needs to be done in that regard.
April 26, 2016, 06:33:20 AM
So when is LISK going to launch for real, it already be delayed 3 times
May 24th is the first explicit launch date we gave yet. Our estimations were delayed, that's why they were estimations.
About the database switch -- SQLite sucks at concurrent writing (it locks the DB) and most probably this was the issue.
Yep. We knew of the concurrency problem all along, but the stress test really opened our eyes that SQLite is really much worse than we anticipated and needs to be switched out sooner than later. Regarding why Postgres, you should write Oliver a PM on our chat or here on BTT.
As a developer, I have to respect this. You guys have been honest since day-one and have stated the fact that Lisk is a fork and improvement upon Crypti. As such, I imagine you guys have a long laundry list of changes that you want to make. Some can and should be made before launch while others can be put on the back burner for post-launch updates.
I also can understand why the team may have initially ignored updating the DB infrastructure. It's not a small change. If the original Crypti dev decided to use SQLLite, it has proven that SQLLite can work on a project with limited success.
This type of change/update proves that the Lisk devs want the launch to go as smoothly as possible. With limited testnet usage (only the hardcore supporters are running test nodes ATM) then it is important to make sure that once the official release takes place, the underlying DB can handle the mass influx of new transactions.
Apparently after launch, and during it's peak usage, Crypti didn't experience any problems with the SQLLite db. That is good. However, if LiskHQ (and the other devs) had a bad "feeling" about sticking with the current tech, I 100% support the delays so that they can update the back-end db TODAY, rather than later when usage spikes and the blockchain starts crumbling from excessive load.
TL;DR
LiskHQ and the other devs are making a wise decision to fix a problem before it becomes a legitimate issue. They are exercising foresight in taking care of Lisk, rather than waiting for bugs to become issues that bring the blockchain to a halt until a *cough* rushed *cough* patch has to be released.
A very refreshing point, a much pleasant view to read. Thanks
April 26, 2016, 06:30:36 AM
Max: I fight with you guys.
I support this, but only on Saturday nights!
(...and I realize that probably less than 5% of you are old enough to get this joke! I'm old...
)MalReynolds may get the joke without Google.
April 26, 2016, 06:29:06 AM
Max: I fight with you guys.
I support this, but only on Saturday nights!
(...and I realize that probably less than 5% of you are old enough to get this joke! I'm old...
) April 26, 2016, 06:28:27 AM
The dev probably delayed the launch because of midterms and will delay again in May because of finals. lol
I don't study anymore. Oliver also isn't enrolled.
However, in Germany right now the university summer term just started and all exams are only at the end of it. That means around August/September. (In the winter term they are all in February/March)
April 26, 2016, 06:24:41 AM
The dev probably delayed the launch because of midterms and will delay again in May because of finals. lol
April 26, 2016, 06:23:55 AM
So when is LISK going to launch for real, it already be delayed 3 times
May 24th is the first explicit launch date we gave yet. Our estimations were delayed, that's why they were estimations.
About the database switch -- SQLite sucks at concurrent writing (it locks the DB) and most probably this was the issue.
Yep. We knew of the concurrency problem all along, but the stress test really opened our eyes that SQLite is really much worse than we anticipated and needs to be switched out sooner than later. Regarding why Postgres, you should write Oliver a PM on our chat or here on BTT.
People were right to be upset because the delivery launch was not kept to the promise, now you can call the new one the first explicit launch or anything. A launch date is a launch date not matter how we want to disguise now. Saying this now we all have to move forward but please not more misleading information that can upset once again people. Or we are serious what we say or we dont say it. 1.) If you are not sure about delivery time better not to say it or say something more credible like sometime summer time or winter time. Please dont give dates for the sake of it. Now lets move forward. 2.) Now we would like report weekly how the money is invested. Team members names and what they do. 3.) What marketing are you going to do, while people wait lets us see you are moving your fingers and want to see day by day marketing. Sorry if we sound now demanding but you let us down so its your duty now to bring our morals up and bring us all together with actions, real marketing. real name of all the people working on this project not donation. Please everyone lets move on and support lisk till the end as long as the Lisk Team deliver and make us see they are spending the money in marketing and hiring people not to make another delay. Many thanks
1. We said estimations like "End of March. End of April". Now we have a date, because we are certain we meet it. It's exactly what you are asking for.
2. Which money? Everything until now is paid out of our own pockets. Before the ICO started and we knew how successful Lisk will be, we already spent about $8000. Now we come closer to $20000. We don't have access to any funding collected. There is still only Oliver, Joel and I in the team.
Joel: Doing everything associated with the community. Answering questions, preparing academy guides, sending the newsletters, publishing community updates, handling the bounties (I think over 10000 stakes) and so on.
Oliver: Is developing and optimising Lisk. Just in the last week til today he successfully migrated the codebase to a different database engine, and improved block processing efficiency ten fold (after improved syncing speed twenty fold before). Besides Lisk core development, he also updates (with every release) the explorer, faucet, lisk-cli, lisk sdk, binaries, docker etc. He also regularly updates the Lisk chat and is currently stress testing 0.2.0 while preparing the release of it.
Max: I fight with you guys. :p No honestly, I'm talking with a lot of people which benefit will only become visible in many weeks or months. But this is extremely important. Besides this I try to be as open with everything as possible. Preparing important documents for launch on the vision and further development plans. Checking the legal documents provided by our lawyer for the legal Lisk entity. Answering emails, interviews, and questions. Improving the Lisk front end. Taking care of financials and the numbers.
3. We recently hired a PR company which worked with many crypto-currency startups before. More news soon. Besides that with the release now on the horizon we will start the marketing machine again. I think the past showed we know what needs to be done in that regard.
April 26, 2016, 06:07:41 AM
So when is LISK going to launch for real, it already be delayed 3 times
May 24th is the first explicit launch date we gave yet. Our estimations were delayed, that's why they were estimations.
About the database switch -- SQLite sucks at concurrent writing (it locks the DB) and most probably this was the issue.
Yep. We knew of the concurrency problem all along, but the stress test really opened our eyes that SQLite is really much worse than we anticipated and needs to be switched out sooner than later. Regarding why Postgres, you should write Oliver a PM on our chat or here on BTT.
As a developer, I have to respect this. You guys have been honest since day-one and have stated the fact that Lisk is a fork and improvement upon Crypti. As such, I imagine you guys have a long laundry list of changes that you want to make. Some can and should be made before launch while others can be put on the back burner for post-launch updates.
I also can understand why the team may have initially ignored updating the DB infrastructure. It's not a small change. If the original Crypti dev decided to use SQLLite, it has proven that SQLLite can work on a project with limited success.
This type of change/update proves that the Lisk devs want the launch to go as smoothly as possible. With limited testnet usage (only the hardcore supporters are running test nodes ATM) then it is important to make sure that once the official release takes place, the underlying DB can handle the mass influx of new transactions.
Apparently after launch, and during it's peak usage, Crypti didn't experience any problems with the SQLLite db. That is good. However, if LiskHQ (and the other devs) had a bad "feeling" about sticking with the current tech, I 100% support the delays so that they can update the back-end db TODAY, rather than later when usage spikes and the blockchain starts crumbling from excessive load.
TL;DR
LiskHQ and the other devs are making a wise decision to fix a problem before it becomes a legitimate issue. They are exercising foresight in taking care of Lisk, rather than waiting for bugs to become issues that bring the blockchain to a halt until a *cough* rushed *cough* patch has to be released.
April 26, 2016, 06:03:49 AM
So when is LISK going to launch for real, it already be delayed 3 times
May 24th is the first explicit launch date we gave yet. Our estimations were delayed, that's why they were estimations.
About the database switch -- SQLite sucks at concurrent writing (it locks the DB) and most probably this was the issue.
Yep. We knew of the concurrency problem all along, but the stress test really opened our eyes that SQLite is really much worse than we anticipated and needs to be switched out sooner than later. Regarding why Postgres, you should write Oliver a PM on our chat or here on BTT.
People were right to be upset because the delivery launch was not kept to the promise, now you can call the new one the first explicit launch or anything. A launch date is a launch date not matter how we want to disguise now. Saying this now we all have to move forward but please not more misleading information that can upset once again people. Or we are serious what we say or we dont say it. If you are not sure about delivery time better not to say it or say something more credible like sometime summer time or winter time. Please dont give dates for the sake of it. Now lets move forward. Now we would like report weekly how the money is invested. Team members names and what they do. What marketing are you going to do, while people wait lets us see you are moving your fingers and want to see day by day marketing. Sorry if we sound now demanding but you let us down so its your duty now to bring our morals up and bring us all together with actions, real marketing. real name of all the people working on this project not donation. Please everyone lets move on and support lisk till the end as long as the Lisk Team deliver and make us see they are spending the money in marketing and hiring people not to make another delay. Many thanks
April 26, 2016, 05:48:02 AM
Why does this thread have such a insane influx of new accounts .. is it all just one guy wtf is going on here?
Nearly 700 pages but 90% of it is complete garbage mostly posted by very new accounts made during or after ICO.
Nearly 700 pages but 90% of it is complete garbage mostly posted by very new accounts made during or after ICO.
This has now become the worst thread of bitcointalk, very hard to keep following lisk relevant news...
There is no news except the delays of course
there are no news regarding trading.
not everybody is only interested in trading.
i follow page one, post one and yes, normally only look on the last page, when liskHQ posted something.
better for my nerves
April 26, 2016, 05:44:05 AM
Why does this thread have such a insane influx of new accounts .. is it all just one guy wtf is going on here?
Nearly 700 pages but 90% of it is complete garbage mostly posted by very new accounts made during or after ICO.
Nearly 700 pages but 90% of it is complete garbage mostly posted by very new accounts made during or after ICO.
This has now become the worst thread of bitcointalk, very hard to keep following lisk relevant news...
There is no news except the delays of course
April 26, 2016, 05:36:15 AM
So when is LISK going to launch for real, it already be delayed 3 times
May 24th is the first explicit launch date we gave yet. Our estimations were delayed, that's why they were estimations.
About the database switch -- SQLite sucks at concurrent writing (it locks the DB) and most probably this was the issue.
Yep. We knew of the concurrency problem all along, but the stress test really opened our eyes that SQLite is really much worse than we anticipated and needs to be switched out sooner than later. Regarding why Postgres, you should write Oliver a PM on our chat or here on BTT.
April 26, 2016, 05:32:41 AM
Lisk investors are waiting to trade a coin, so exciting.
Look like LISK dev(s) don't give a f*ck
Why would they change the db at the last minute like that?
How many times did you work on projects that require heterogeneous database environment? Let me anticipate your answer. Zero! So stick you heroic status in the ass and GTFOH.
Thanks I feel like zoro now
Z
Good to know. Very informative!
About the database switch -- SQLite sucks at concurrent writing (it locks the DB) and most probably this was the issue. I am puzzled about one detail only. Why the fuck Postgres? As if there is no Mongo or CouchDB?!
April 26, 2016, 05:28:41 AM
Lisk investors are waiting to trade a coin, so exciting.
Look like LISK dev(s) don't give a f*ck
Why would they change the db at the last minute like that?
How many times did you work on projects that require heterogeneous database environment? Let me anticipate your answer. Zero! So stick you heroic status in the ass and GTFOH.
Thanks I feel like zoro now
So when is LISK going to launch for real, it already be delayed 3 times
Z
April 26, 2016, 05:27:19 AM
Lisk investors are waiting to trade a coin, so exciting.
Look like LISK dev(s) don't give a f*ck
Why would they change the db at the last minute like that?
How many times did you work on projects that require heterogeneous database environment? Let me anticipate your answer. Zero! So stick you heroic status in the ass and GTFOH. Comprende?
April 26, 2016, 05:26:35 AM
Lisk investors are waiting to trade a coin, so exciting.
Look like LISK dev(s) don't give a f*ck
Why would they change the db at the last minute like that?
Please explain your thoughts
April 26, 2016, 05:24:09 AM
Lisk investors are waiting to trade a coin, so exciting.
Look like LISK dev(s) don't give a f*ck
Why would they change the db at the last minute like that?
April 26, 2016, 05:08:52 AM
Lisk investors are waiting to trade a coin, so exciting.
April 26, 2016, 05:07:21 AM
So, I am a BIG supporter of lisk.. since day 1.. I'm going to offer a platform for buying and selling ICO tokens for those that are interested. I'm offering this independently of the LISK dev team and I'm offering this without any fees or costs.. just to support the community in lieu of the less than convenient delays. My post can be read here:
http://www.allentownbitcoins.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=94
http://www.allentownbitcoins.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=94
are you part of the lisk team
No, he is not. If anyone is doing trades, obviously just with escrow.
Why does this thread have such a insane influx of new accounts .. is it all just one guy wtf is going on here?
Nearly 700 pages but 90% of it is complete garbage mostly posted by very new accounts made during or after ICO.
Nearly 700 pages but 90% of it is complete garbage mostly posted by very new accounts made during or after ICO.
TBH - There are probably people getting paid in both directions but it is pretty easy to see all the new accounts that are talking crap and trying to bring uncertainty to LISK.
Any competing coin can see LISK as a legitimate threat. The Crypti platform is a decent one to build on and on top of that to have Javascript to do what Ethereum is doing
certainly has some on the Ethereum side a bit worried. (I like both btw.)
Add to that that the BTC price is starting to skyrocket and LISK is not getting any of that ICO money until the coin goes public. I have a feeling they are going to have a lot more money
in BTC a month from now. That is dangerous to competing coins.
The space is so new, if you can't beat them, well, wear them out, bombard them with crap messages, etc. and will only affect LISK early on. Nothing new and the tech will speak for itself in time if it was and is being done properly.
Its about sharing
I also think this is the case. Lisk is a substantial threat to many crypto-currencies on the market. It's not a threat to all the legit projects out there like BitShares, Factom or Ethereum. They profit from Lisk, as we profit from them. By bringing more people and progress into the space.
However, it's a threat to many smaller projects which are all just re-inventing the wheel and bring nothing new to the table. I think with the next bubble the legit projects will suck a lot of money out of the smaller ones.
At the end of the day all these controversies and sockpuppets are a complete farce, and everyone can see it. Especially after we release Lisk 0.2.0 this week.
Everyone who wants serious discussions come to our own forum or chat.
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