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Quote from: loopt on April 02, 2016, 11:38:05 AM

Thanks for your constructive answer.

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But we won't change it all the time, it doesn't matter if a delegate account costs 1$ or 70ct.

Okay fair enough for delegate accounts.
What worries me more is the fees per transaction.

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0.1 LISK of amount sent for a spend transaction

Did you mean 0.1% of LISK amount or is it 0.1 Lisk per transaction.

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Security of dapps are still a vague topic, yes.

Fair enough I can understand that. I guess this must be high on your priority list right?

oh is cannabanana a member of your team or can I just mute him right away ?

Thanks

- It's 0.1 LISK per transaction. To be reduced before launch.

- Security is #1 on our priority list.

- LiskHQ (me), karmacoma24 and Bigcabrito are the only team members. See OP.

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Quote from: loopt on April 02, 2016, 11:38:05 AM

Thanks for your constructive answer.

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But we won't change it all the time, it doesn't matter if a delegate account costs 1$ or 70ct.

Okay fair enough for delegate accounts.
What worries me more is the fees per transaction.

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0.1 LISK of amount sent for a spend transaction

Did you mean 0.1% of LISK amount or is it 0.1 Lisk per transaction.

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Security of dapps are still a vague topic, yes.

Fair enough I can understand that. I guess this must be high on your priority list right?

oh is cannabanana a member of your team or can I just mute him right away ?

Thanks

maybe if you were not a dick and attacked me first with that time of the month answer, I might have given you some actual help.

Do you need someone to make decisions for you?

Here I'll help, Click Ignore retard.

loopt

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Thanks for your constructive answer.

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But we won't change it all the time, it doesn't matter if a delegate account costs 1$ or 70ct.

Okay fair enough for delegate accounts.
What worries me more is the fees per transaction.

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0.1 LISK of amount sent for a spend transaction

Did you mean 0.1% of LISK amount or is it 0.1 Lisk per transaction.

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Security of dapps are still a vague topic, yes.

Fair enough I can understand that. I guess this must be high on your priority list right?

oh is cannabanana a member of your team or can I just mute him right away ?

Thanks

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Quote from: loopt on April 02, 2016, 11:18:38 AM

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why do you think it should be lisks responsibility to verify the security of DAPPs

That's not what I was implying. Yet you fail to answer.

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If you're hesitant, go away.

Right. That's the way to answer prospective adopters.
Oh maybe it is THAT time of the month again ?

The time of the month when retarded people come in here thinking that people will plead for you to stay because you ask questions that have been answered a million times already?

GTFO tard or do some more research.

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Quote from: loopt on April 02, 2016, 11:01:44 AM

How is that decentralized ?
How fast can the fees be changed ?
How can that work with the current (probably lasting) volatility of crypto markets ?

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to FUD here
I really want to get my hands dirty and start coding a Lisk based DAPP but honestly a lot of things seem still pretty vague to me. Such as security of a DAPP for the end user and security of the DAPP code itself (tampering etc...) .

I'm quite hesitant to invest my time and efforts into this.

The network is decentralized. Every core team is pushing out updates which change elements. Bitcoin, Nxt and also Lisk. Fees can be changed with every update. But we won't change it all the time, it doesn't matter if a delegate account costs 1$ or 70ct.

Security of dapps are still a vague topic, yes. We need to implement a proper sandbox and the developer also have to take care of security within his dapp. The next 3 months will mostly be prototyping, checking out our system and so on. After that the real work can begin. Wink

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why do you think it should be lisks responsibility to verify the security of DAPPs

That's not what I was implying. Yet you fail to answer.

Code:

If you're hesitant, go away.

Right. That's the way to answer prospective adopters.
Oh maybe it is THAT time of the month again ?

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Quote from: loopt on April 02, 2016, 11:01:44 AM

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The team. With input from the community.

How is that decentralized ?
How fast can the fees be changed ?
How can that work with the current (probably lasting) volatility of crypto markets ?

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to FUD here
I really want to get my hands dirty and start coding a Lisk based DAPP but honestly a lot of things seem still pretty vague to me. Such as security of a DAPP for the end user and security of the DAPP code itself (tampering etc...) .

I'm quite hesitant to invest my time and efforts into this.

If you want a decentralized system, why do you think it should be lisks responsibility to verify the security of DAPPs which are created by other people. The world is full of shady characters, trust is formed by consensus of people not getting scammed.

If you're hesitant, go away. Plenty of kick ass developers already chatting away in the lisk chatroom.

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https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=114&p=337#p337

If you want to be on it write on my lisk topic or send me a PM here!

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The team. With input from the community.

How is that decentralized ?
How fast can the fees be changed ?
How can that work with the current (probably lasting) volatility of crypto markets ?

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to FUD here
I really want to get my hands dirty and start coding a Lisk based DAPP but honestly a lot of things seem still pretty vague to me. Such as security of a DAPP for the end user and security of the DAPP code itself (tampering etc...) .

I'm quite hesitant to invest my time and efforts into this.

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Quote from: loopt on April 02, 2016, 10:48:45 AM

Quote from: LiskHQ on April 02, 2016, 10:47:01 AM

Quote from: loopt on April 02, 2016, 10:41:48 AM

How is this sustainable ? Seems VERY expensive to me.

All fees will change before launch.

Thanks for your answer.

Who decides of their amount ?

The team. With input from the community.

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Quote from: LiskHQ on April 02, 2016, 10:47:01 AM

Quote from: loopt on April 02, 2016, 10:41:48 AM

How is this sustainable ? Seems VERY expensive to me.

All fees will change before launch.

Thanks for your answer.

Who decides of their amount ?

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Quote from: loopt on April 02, 2016, 10:41:48 AM

Hi all,

Was reading the whitepaper ( which by the way is pretty scarce and lacks a lot of technicalities ) and I came across this line :

Under 4 . Core feature > 1 . Usernames ..

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The network fee for username registration is 100 LISK.

Is this serious ?
If according to this current thread, Lisk goes to the moon and reaches 1$ or above per Lisk who will afford to register their name beyond the ICO ppl?

Even better :

Under

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The network fee for adding a new contact or accepting an incoming request is 1 LISK.

So basically if you're like me and have litterally hundreds of contacts here and there you're prettty much becoming a very poor guy by gaining followers or friends and adding them to you lisk account ...
What's the point ?

Oh yeah and then I came accross this :

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The following is a list of fees for different types of transactions:

0.1 LISK of amount sent for a spend transaction
5 LISK for registering a second passphrase
100 LISK for registering a username
100 LISK for registering as a delegate
1 LISK to add a contact
500 LISK to register a dapp
5 LISK per member for registering a multi-signature group.

How is this sustainable ? Seems VERY expensive to me.

all fee are subject to change if needed.

100 lisk registration is for registering a Delegate.

you can vote for up to 33 people at one time with the same 1 lisk and only vote 101 total per account so pick your contacts carefully.

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Quote from: loopt on April 02, 2016, 10:41:48 AM

How is this sustainable ? Seems VERY expensive to me.

All fees will change before launch.

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loopt

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Hi all,

Was reading the whitepaper ( which by the way is pretty scarce and lacks a lot of technicalities ) and I came across this line :

Under 4 . Core feature > 1 . Usernames ..

Quote

The network fee for username registration is 100 LISK.

Is this serious ?
If according to this current thread, Lisk goes to the moon and reaches 1$ or above per Lisk who will afford to register their name beyond the ICO ppl?

Even better :

Under

Quote

The network fee for adding a new contact or accepting an incoming request is 1 LISK.

So basically if you're like me and have litterally hundreds of contacts here and there you're prettty much becoming a very poor guy by gaining followers or friends and adding them to you lisk account ...
What's the point ?

Oh yeah and then I came accross this :

Quote

The following is a list of fees for different types of transactions:

0.1 LISK of amount sent for a spend transaction
5 LISK for registering a second passphrase
100 LISK for registering a username
100 LISK for registering as a delegate
1 LISK to add a contact
500 LISK to register a dapp
5 LISK per member for registering a multi-signature group.

How is this sustainable ? Seems VERY expensive to me.

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