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Tokensummit 2017 through the eyes of a non-developer

After three consecutive days at Consensus, it was time to get ready for the next conference of the week: Tokensummit 2017. The timing couldn’t have been better as both events were held in the same week. Many attendees of Consensus could just stay longer in New York and attend both. On the evening before the start of Tokensummit 2017, a pre-event was organised where Max Kordek and myself attended. This event facilitated meetings with the speakers and organizers. Although the location of the pre-event was quite fancy, the audience of Tokensummit was clearly more informal and less corporate than what we had seen during Consensus.

William Mougayar did a great job organising the first edition of Tokensummit

Next morning, the sunny weather had been replaced by rain while we were heading towards the auditorium of the New York University. The first edition of Tokensummit was clearly sold-out. Rumour was that tickets were sold way above normal price and that people without ticket gathered at the Starbucks around the corner, organising their own mini conference. Tokensummit was mostly about panel discussions featuring over 40 experts and 15 sessions interrupted by short breaks and lunch. The Blockchain experts elaborated on topics such as business models, legal and governance, Initial Coin Offerings (ICO), token funds and future predictions.


Tokensummit 2017 focused on the business models behind tokens

Emphasis on Blockchain use cases
Organizer and venture capitalist William Mougayar kicked off by saying that the focus of Tokensummit would be on the businesses behind cryptocurrencies. Co-organizer Nick Tomaino (Runa Capital, The Control) added that token valuation is the main interest of traders outside the Blockchain space but that most people attending Tokensummit are aiming to benefit from long-term success of the industry. However, a small question round revealed that nearly everybody in the audience held cryptocurrencies, but only a few held them for their utility or use cases.


Discussing the concept of getting paid for your attention

Talks on ICOs
According to panellist Brian Lio (Smith + Crown), the amount raised during ICOs in 2017 has already outperformed 2016, including seed and Series A venture funding. Alex Sunnarborg (CoinDesk) added that currently every single crypto project in the top 100 has a valuation of over $10M, which is remarkable. In contrast to ICOs, receiving traditional seed and Series A funding is quite difficult as it requires start-ups to display traction and revenue streams. With ICOs as new funding mechanism, more projects have access to money while the public has more opportunities to participate in projects with great potential. However, the comparison with traditional VC funding is not completely valid. Sid Kalla (Smith + Crown) pointed out that the differentiating factor of using Blockchain technology also asks for a different way of funding. He said that those projects generally need an ICO just for distribution. For most projects, the broad distribution of their tokens is a necessity for the network to succeed. Those projects wouldn’t even consider giving VCs a substantial number of tokens in return for funding. Although I agree with his reasoning, fair distribution is unfortunately not always the case. Driven by massive ROI, we see a trend where more and more venture capitalists want a piece of that pie. Most (private) ICO participants simply don’t have the financial power to pay for high transaction fees to compete with huge investors. The result is that many (smaller) investors are excluded and a broad distribution fails. One solution could be a capped amount one person can invest, which raises other challenges to tackle such as people using multiple wallets at a time and conflicts with private investor deals.


Brendan Eich (CEO Brave): “Thumbs up for JavaScript!”

Pitching sessions
Spread over two sessions, several well-known projects such as Aragon pitched their concepts. Others took the opportunity to campaign for their upcoming ICO, including Civic, Tezos and 0x project. Interesting fact is that Tezos, like Lisk, is running a delegated proof-of-stake consensus. The big announcement of the day came from outside the Blockchain space. Chat application Kik with over 300 million users revealed their plans to launch a custom token. This is a great example of how tech companies can utilize Blockchain technology and accelerate the adoption of this technology by the public.


Spotted! Lisk stickers make their way towards the fans

Debate
Towards the end, fireside chats were held to recap and reflect. Nick Tomaino and William Mougayar went into debate with respectively Brian Armstrong (Coinbase) and Fred Wilson (Union Square Ventures). Wilson made clear that ICOs are not just a way of initially funding a company, but that the token is also the native monetization model of the business. He added that if a project is doing well, the utility value of the network goes up and as a result the token value would rise. In other words, start-ups might give away a lot of their tokens in return for initial funding, but the small number of tokens they keep should increase substantially in value over time, incentivising the founders to make the project a success. For Lisk, this is definitely the case. The future potential of the Lisk project makes us sell Bitcoins to finance operations rather than LSK tokens. Wilson concluded:

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It doesn’t feel right to spend something that is going up in value.


We collected a lot of merchandise for the team back home

Although the day was long and intense, most were still filled with energy and inspiration to continue exchanging thoughts after the event in a bar close by. Our stay abroad gave us great new insights and inspiration to continue building on the Lisk project. For me personally, both conferences contributed to my steep learning curve since I entered the Blockchain space. Once more, it became clear to me that Blockchain technology has great potential. Together with the rest of Lisk, it is my task to accelerate the adoption of Blockchain technology by providing the right tools and support to enable developers to create stunning Blockchain applications that soon will provide value for millions of people across the globe.

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Quick question: let say I got 20k of lisk, if I vote for 4 delegates is this mean, each of them receives 5k worth of votes?
Follow this logic, if one them payout 90% only the 5K will part of this share and the rest of my votes 15k get zero if others delegates don't share their stake?

thanks
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Hi everybody ! I'm doing 30% profit share with ALL VOTERS (limited to 1 million weight for the reward calculation).

I'm also donating 5% of forged lisks for initiatives helping the ecosystem growth.

Check the pool policy for further details: https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1458&p=10795#p10795

Chech my past donations here: https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1302&hilit=sgdias

I'm currently at rank 97, don't miss the voting reward ! Vote for sgdias !!
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price is so low.. time for buying  Grin
The price is 130% higher than it was on June 1st...
Really, now is the time  Grin Grin Grin
To buy at .00125 and to sell then at 0.0005 BTC

Why are you so pessimistic? All tokens that can carry ICO rise in price a lot now. ETH, waves, wings... LISK Smiley
I am not that pessimistic, just stated that price has risen, but nothing changed with platform from those times.
You can say: it's perspective one and everything is growing, market is booming.
But. The competition among similar platforms is increasing as well.
And Javascript is not the best option available.

I agree, LISK needs more to hold the value and make it rise. Some unique ICO projects will work really good IMO, I hope there will be some of them coming!
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^_^
price is so low.. time for buying  Grin
The price is 130% higher than it was on June 1st...
Really, now is the time  Grin Grin Grin
To buy at .00125 and to sell then at 0.0005 BTC

Why are you so pessimistic? All tokens that can carry ICO rise in price a lot now. ETH, waves, wings... LISK Smiley
I am not that pessimistic, just stated that price has risen, but nothing changed with platform from those times.
You can say: it's perspective one and everything is growing, market is booming.
But. The competition among similar platforms is increasing as well.
And Javascript is not the best option available.
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Feeling lucky?
You have the chance to test that feeling by voting lisk hardcore delegates:Isabella, atreides, Wannabe_rotebaron and win in LISK first raffle. Once you vote, you have a chance to win one of the 3 prizes of our raffle: 1st draw: 1500 Lisk(~4500 USD); 2nd draw: 900 Lisk(~2700 USD); 3rd draw: 600 Lisk (~1800 USD) .
Each month, by end of month, we will use random.org to draw 3 lucky winners using the addresses that vote for us.
We are long time time delegates, Isabella is part of lisk team, atreides is Romanian Lisk Ambassador and wannabe_rotebaron is an IT security penetration tester.

  • Since February 2016, we developed tools, scripts, and tutorials
  • Donated for various Lisk initiatives
  • Organized meetups
  • Had Lisk as sponsor to various events like: StartupWeekend Bucharest, StartupWeekend Timisoara, JS Dev Meetups
  • Panelist at blockchain conferrences
  • Organising blockchain meetups
  • Testnet alpha team, dry running latest versions of lisk
  • Spreading the word about Lisk, sponsoring conference tickets for JS developers, buying and distributing books about developing DAPPS


*this list is not exhaustive and there are much more initiatives and actions we took in promoting lisk since ICO ended;
*the value of prizes in USD might be slightly different, depending on the lisk value at the moment of the draw. We used the USD just to give a perspective on the value of the prizes;
*no registrations required. We will use the voting history to list all the cast votes;
*to be eligible you are supposed to keep your vote for all three delegates until next draw(end of each month);
*the already casted votes are eligible;
*we will announce the winners on bitcointalk and also on lisk chat;
*you need to vote for all 3 of us;
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price is so low.. time for buying  Grin
The price is 130% higher than it was on June 1st...
Really, now is the time  Grin Grin Grin
To buy at .00125 and to sell then at 0.0005 BTC

Why are you so pessimistic? All tokens that can carry ICO rise in price a lot now. ETH, waves, wings... LISK Smiley
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Judging base on youtube news I can say on think: Lisk in f..ng hot right now...
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^_^
price is so low.. time for buying  Grin
The price is 130% higher than it was on June 1st...
Really, now is the time  Grin Grin Grin
To buy at .00125 and to sell then at 0.0005 BTC
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Vitalik had a sex change  Huh
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Buy Low, Sell at Alpha Centauri
Is launch still scheduled for this year? And would Lisk be considered an ethereum competitor?

I dont see Lisk ever become An ethereum competitor. I am 100procent for Lisk But telling New investors Lisk can beat Ethereum is the worst greedy promise ever of these so called Liskforgers. This whole voting system doest make sense at all. Some people owning millions of Lisk getting enormous payouts. To be honest Lisk might hit 10 dollars But Thats it, theres No coin with such a voting system that could come near the 100 dollar mark. LIsk failed to see that this votingsystem is killing its own coin. Look at the greedy posts of every liskforger in this forum. Just look at this whole forum consisting of voting Posts. i feel sorry to tell the truth while most here just for the money and dont care about devouring other  peoples money. Allot of greedy coinspeculators these days, becarefull! Thats my advice

^^^ Jackass here has no balls to mention the obvious -
LISK will crush and incinerate phony, hyped-up, and inferior Ethereum.
Here is why -
Smart contracts on Ethereum get bogged down in the main chain and are susceptible to bugs if just one contract has an issue.
LISK contracts each have their own blockchain (side-chain) run on Javascript, which 90% of app devs use.  

Banks will be creating Lisk networks it only makes sense.
How many experienced Solidity devs are available for corporate hire?
How many code auditing outlets are qualified to debug Solidity? (Ethereum coding)
ETH is nothing -its a smart contract camel.
LISK turns apps into networks - 1000% more useful

Any questions?
 Cool
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all i understand the delegate system is to keep up and secure the network. The same as miners do in other networks. They need motivation doing transactions.
Big mining farms on the BTC network are the same but they need a lot more energy. Delegates share most of the coins they get. BTC miners did share nothing than secure the network. Do not see any problem with the LSK concept, delegate robinhood shares 100% for example. Maybe there should be an forging delegate that only accepts voters with less than 5K or something to get more distribution for small Liskers as i am.  
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Is launch still scheduled for this year? And would Lisk be considered an ethereum competitor?

I dont see Lisk ever become An ethereum competitor. I am 100procent for Lisk But telling New investors Lisk can beat Ethereum is the worst greedy promise ever of these so called Liskforgers. This whole voting system doest make sense at all. Some people owning millions of Lisk getting enormous payouts. To be honest Lisk might hit 10 dollars But Thats it, theres No coin with such a voting system that could come near the 100 dollar mark. LIsk failed to see that this votingsystem is killing its own coin. Look at the greedy posts of every liskforger in this forum. Just look at this whole forum consisting of voting Posts. i feel sorry to tell the truth while most here just for the money and dont care about devouring other  peoples money. Allot of greedy coinspeculators these days, becarefull! Thats my advice

The problem is that your view of events and problems are narrow. The type of posts are cyclical. Now it's a lot of delegate posts, so people complain about delegate posts. AT some point it was all FUD price posts, people complained about FUD price posts. Then all shrill price posts, then people complained about that. Before that it was all about pools, before that price again, before that endless ICO releated posts, and so on. The delegate system will settle once again and the majority of post will be about something else once again. Judging a coins possible future about the last few dozen pages of a thread is kind of pointless.
Also, you can't base predictions of the future of lisk (price) on current inflation when it will go down within months, and will keep going down yearly. In 5 years it will be a fifth of what it is today.

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Is launch still scheduled for this year? And would Lisk be considered an ethereum competitor?

I dont see Lisk ever become An ethereum competitor. I am 100procent for Lisk But telling New investors Lisk can beat Ethereum is the worst greedy promise ever of these so called Liskforgers. This whole voting system doest make sense at all. Some people owning millions of Lisk getting enormous payouts. To be honest Lisk might hit 10 dollars But Thats it, theres No coin with such a voting system that could come near the 100 dollar mark. LIsk failed to see that this votingsystem is killing its own coin. Look at the greedy posts of every liskforger in this forum. Just look at this whole forum consisting of voting Posts. i feel sorry to tell the truth while most here just for the money and dont care about devouring other  peoples money. Allot of greedy coinspeculators these days, becarefull! Thats my advice
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Is launch still scheduled for this year? And would Lisk be considered an ethereum competitor?
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Buy Low, Sell at Alpha Centauri
If you have Big Balls and a Big Lisk Vision, join the "LISK $1000 Club"
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1208533875898880/
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Can anyone teach me a thing or two about lisk forging ?
I just purchased Lisk worth 1k$ today but I am noob about forging and apparently it can make my lisk grow right ?

You can´t forge with your $1k of LISK, but you can vote for delegates - they are forging, you earn proportionately LISK for voting them.
Look here.
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Can anyone teach me a thing or two about lisk forging ?
I just purchased Lisk worth 1k$ today but I am noob about forging and apparently it can make my lisk grow right ?

You need to contribute to the project and connect with other delegates.
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Lisk the future is bright!
$4+  for each lisk on jubi exchange. better get onboard train is leaving his station.
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