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hero member
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Think or swim.
Don't hesitate to vote for pools and delegates who make a profit for your voters. More pools in top 101, more profit for you.
1 lsk = vote for 33 delegates.

Try reading back at least a page... lol.
Redundant idiocy doesn't make a point other than showing you can't read.
newbie
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Quote from: carolinaliskdelegate
Recent developments however indicate that GDT is in a process of monopolizing forging rewards primarily for its own benefit and with a view to achieving insuperable voting power through accumulating most of the newly issued LSK.

Well Carolina you're very brave. Thanks for bringing your concern to our attention. I also was introduced to GTD and even tried to get in myself but was denied entry due to the lack of weight and because of some divergences with other members.

I must say the original intentions of GTD were good. We do need dedicated folks to run the mainnet and keep it as stable as it should be. However a group monopolizing 80 slots "for its own benefit and with a view to achieving insuperable voting power" is seriously wrong and unfair.

Some GTD members even apologetically told me that they had to unvote me otherwise they would get evicted from this now corrupted group who has evidently deviated from its original plan.


disaster... Angry is max doing something about those fucking scumbags who do not care shit about Lisk and only want to get rich.
newbie
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Notice to the Lisk Community

This post is about concerns with GDT (Global Delegate Team), the group of mutual voters that has 80+ members and accounts to a very significant percentage of forging delegates.

GDT is in existence since the early testnet for Lisk. Its core comprises participants from the testnet as well as from the former Crypti community. It was always said or widely perceived that GDT is good for Lisk since it were supposed to invest forging rewards into the Lisk ecosystem. Within the concept for Lisk it is envisaged to fund various projects for Lisk by way of forging rewards, and it was expected that the benefit exceeds the inflation that comes with the comparably high figure for block rewards that characterizes Lisk.

It is assumed by many that GDT would provide for an organizational structure that is beneficial for Lisk, for all of its community and the investors. Recent developments however indicate that GDT is in a process of monopolizing forging rewards primarily for its own benefit and with a view to achieving insuperable voting power through accumulating most of the newly issued LSK.

GDT has no statute for its governance. Basically there is a single individual who creates a list of its members. Part of the conduct of GDT is maintaining a rather high number of 80+ members that keeps it ahead of any other potential competing group. In recent weeks the style of governance had changed in that members were pressed to vote each other (while before basically everybody had to go for his own votes), and in that GDT implemented a vote tracking database and regime of questionable practices in regard to improve its ranking and having a tight grip on its members. More details on this are to follow...

This is not to say that all or the vast majority of its members are bad or untrustworthy delegates. For most there is no other choice than being part of GDT.

This post is done with the intend to break up GDT and prevent it from finalizing its grip on forging rewards. It can become very important that the Lisk community and all outside voters use their voting weight against GDT and its established leadership. In this context there is also a warning on pools that promote certain delegates without saying why it is good to vote them or what their alliances are.

Lisk has a great potential. It is important that the Lisk community makes use of its voting power and actively supports trustworthy candidates. Many delegates who are in GDT absolutely deserve votes from the community, as for instance they provide necessary technical support in order that the Lisk blockchain works. There are also many other important tasks done by several active delegates in promoting Lisk etc. A good indication for outstanding delegates is when they have the votes from both Max and Oliver. The more votes they get, the less dependent they are on GDT.

Attached to this post are the logs from the relevant Slack channels of GDT for the last few weeks. It is seen as fair giving every Lisker access to information that has importance with the affairs of Lisk.

With fairness seen as paramount, it should be attempted to break up mutual voting groups when they act as cartel and deliberately don’t let space to other groups or individual delegates. Acting for competitiveness can have a beneficial effect for the Lisk ecosystem and requires support from the community.

https://yadi.sk/d/7L3krpjz3AWJYB

http://carolinaliskdelegate.wordpress.com

Sadly nothing will change... rich delegates are getting richer, and when the price is high they will sell the 10 thousand of Lisk. i am sure. thats human nature, pure egoism. so, Fuck the GDT!
sr. member
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Quote from: carolinaliskdelegate
Recent developments however indicate that GDT is in a process of monopolizing forging rewards primarily for its own benefit and with a view to achieving insuperable voting power through accumulating most of the newly issued LSK.

Well Carolina you're very brave. Thanks for bringing your concern to our attention. I also was introduced to GTD and even tried to get in myself but was denied entry due to the lack of weight and because of some divergences with other members.

I must say the original intentions of GTD were good. We do need dedicated folks to run the mainnet and keep it as stable as it should be. However a group monopolizing 80 slots "for its own benefit and with a view to achieving insuperable voting power" is seriously wrong and unfair.

Some GTD members even apologetically told me that they had to unvote me otherwise they would get evicted from this now corrupted group who has evidently deviated from its original plan.

Not all GTD members are wrong. Most of them are contributing in a meaningful way to the Lisk ecosystem so I guess those with a conscience like Carolina should stand up and denounce the greedy ones.



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I maintain over 9 servers for different purpose on Lisk for a year. With all other fees included I took about 4500$ out of my pocket just for that. I also have passed over 1500 hours in the lasts year for multiples things. Stuff like what was metionned earlier and a lot more (alpha test, guides, snapshots servers, alternate explorer, etc) If you count just 10$ per hour, this would mean 15 000$.

You really have no idea whats it can represent to be a good delegate with your "it' only a 50$ a year server"

By the way. a 5$ server a month is the cheaper you can get for entry level vps. This is 1 cpu, 512 mb ram, limited bandwidth, bad latency, no ddos protection, etc. This isn't even enough to run a single low quality server for lisk...

Drop mic...
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Don't hesitate to vote for pools and delegates who make a profit for your voters. More pools in top 101, more profit for you.
1 lsk = vote for 33 delegates.

liskpool_com_01 - 85% profit
liskpool_com_02
liskpool_com_03
liskpool_com_04
liskpool_com_05
liskpool_com_06
liskpool_com_07
liskpool_com_08
liskpool_com_09
liskpool_com_10
liskpool_com_11
liskpool_com_12
liskpool_com_13
liskpool_com_14
liskpool_com_15
liskpool_com_16
liskpool_com_17
liskpool_com_18
liskpool_com_19
liskpool_com_20 - 85%
thepool   75% profit        
robinhood 90% profit
shinekami  - 85% profit
liskpool.top -  90% profit
rooney 30% profit
adliskpool - 100%, profit
azuredelegatepool - 50% - profit
badman0316 - 50% profit
highrollerspool - 80% profit
phinx  - 50%, profit
friartuck 85%. profit
lisk.pool.sexy 80% profit
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
Think or swim.
_virtum searches the web frantically for a cheap dedicated server and sees the light_
(I can only hope) hehe
Good performance isn't cheap.
If cheapo VPN's were even viable, I would have simply used free AWS servers, lol.
hero member
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Good dedicated server for lisk node costs 50 dollars per year.

A dedicated server for $4,166 a month?  Roll Eyes

Lol okay, please post a link.

5 minutes Google... Look here for example sucking  https://billing.time4vps.eu/cart/

5 minutes for nothing.
Because these are not dedicated servers, they are cheap VPS.

I was a long time customer at Time4VPS.
But for the mainnet & forging, these are not the best choice.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
Think or swim.
Good dedicated server for lisk node costs 50 dollars per year.

A dedicated server for $4,166 a month?  Roll Eyes

Lol okay, please post a link.

5 minutes Google... Look here for example sucking  https://billing.time4vps.eu/cart/
Hey, dude....
That's VPN.... NOT dedicated servers.... huge performance difference
VPN's make decent backups, that's about it.
full member
Activity: 223
Merit: 102
Good dedicated server for lisk node costs 50 dollars per year.

A dedicated server for $4,166 a month?  Roll Eyes

Lol okay, please post a link.

5 minutes Google... Look here for example, sucking  https://billing.time4vps.eu/cart/
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
Think or swim.
If you just look at that, you'll see, who protect delegates... only the delegates do it. It seems ridiculous...
Seems logical, and ANYONE can be a delegate.

Delegates must be only pools.
says who? .... You?
You have no stake in lisk, and therefore have no say in the matter.
Everyone who understands DPoS knows pools dominating the network would be a destructive setup.

I buy lisk and I have every right to receive percent of lisk forging from pools.
Indeed, you do!... every right! ...and I do the same... for pools whom I know can and do maintain their servers.
You do know that the current pools you milk are delegates that were vetted by other forging delegates? .... and that without us bag-holders voting them in, you would be getting NOTHING!
hero member
Activity: 910
Merit: 510
Good dedicated server for lisk node costs 50 dollars per year.

A dedicated server for $4,166 a month?  Roll Eyes

Lol okay, please post a link.


I buy lisk and I have every right to receive percent of lisk forging from pools.

Correct. You have the right to vote only pools if you like.

But you don't have the right to determine which delegates the other users should be vote.
full member
Activity: 223
Merit: 102
If you just look at that, you'll see, who protect delegates... only the delegates do it. It seems ridiculous...
Seems logical, and ANYONE can be a delegate.

Delegates must be only pools.
says who? .... You?
You have no stake in lisk, and therefore have no say in the matter.
Everyone who understands DPoS knows pools dominating the network would be a destructive setup.

I buy lisk and I have every right to receive percent of lisk forging from pools.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
Think or swim.
A good and pretty objective article about pools in Lisk:
https://lisknation.com/are-pools-good-for-lisk-ab566a27c9e6#.6ri6s7eon
Shit article from delegates for delegates. All delegates go away! We need only pools in top 101.

I guess you didn't even open the link to read it. Otherwise you would see that it contains very good points for and against pools.
I read about  the thousands of dollars that delegates spent for servers,  that's enough...
let's see, I've been supporting the network with a dozen servers and only 1 delegate for nearly a year now....
a decent dedicated server costs about 60 dollars a month, plus setup fees, and vpn's for backup, and same on testnet...
my monthly costs are well over 100 dollars a month...  times eleven months.....  ?
hmm, $1100 minimum just in server expenses....   now add domains, ssl, and countless nights up till 3am?
Renewing certificates every 90 days too.... wtf
32 releases since testnet inception, and updating a dozen servers complete with SSL and double failovers is no fucking cakewalk.
Now what you gonna say?
Leave it to the pools?
You are clueless.
Tell it to back of my head, loser! Good dedicated server for lisk node costs 50 dollars per year.
hahah well, you just proved what you know about server hosting.... absolutely nothing!
Find me a dedi with quadcore i7-6700 with 64gigs of ddr4 ram and unlimited data for that price, and I'll kiss your feet, lol.
full member
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A good and pretty objective article about pools in Lisk:
https://lisknation.com/are-pools-good-for-lisk-ab566a27c9e6#.6ri6s7eon
Shit article from delegates for delegates. All delegates go away! We need only pools in top 101.

I guess you didn't even open the link to read it. Otherwise you would see that it contains very good points for and against pools.
I read about  the thousands of dollars that delegates spent for servers,  that's enough...
let's see, I've been supporting the network with a dozen servers and only 1 delegate for nearly a year now....
a decent dedicated server costs about 60 dollars a month, plus setup fees, and vpn's for backup, and same on testnet...
my monthly costs are well over 100 dollars a month...  times eleven months.....  ?
hmm, $1100 minimum just in server expenses....   now add domains, ssl, and countless nights up till 3am?
Renewing certificates every 90 days too.... wtf
32 releases since testnet inception, and updating a dozen servers complete with SSL and double failovers is no fucking cakewalk.
Now what you gonna say?
Leave it to the pools?
You are clueless.
Tell it to back of my head, loser! Good dedicated server for lisk node costs 50 dollars per year.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
Think or swim.
If you just look at that, you'll see, who protect delegates... only the delegates do it. It seems ridiculous...
Seems logical, and ANYONE can be a delegate.

Delegates must be only pools.
says who? .... You?
You have no stake in lisk, and therefore have no say in the matter.
Everyone who understands DPoS knows pools dominating the network would be a destructive setup.
full member
Activity: 223
Merit: 102
If you just look at that, you'll see, who protect delegates... only the delegates do it. It seems ridiculous...
Seems logical, and ANYONE can be a delegate.

Delegates must be only pools.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
Think or swim.
If you just look at that, you'll see, who protect delegates... only the delegates do it. It seems ridiculous...
Seems logical, and ANYONE can be a delegate.
We need more dedicated individuals, so if anyone is interested, you should consider staking lisk, and helping us secure the network.
full member
Activity: 223
Merit: 102
If you just look at that, you'll see, who protect delegates... only the delegates do it. It seems ridiculous...
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 501
A good and pretty objective article about pools in Lisk:
https://lisknation.com/are-pools-good-for-lisk-ab566a27c9e6#.6ri6s7eon
Shit article from delegates for delegates. All delegates go away! We need only pools in top 101.
If only there were a democratic process that would determine who is at what rank... oh, wait!
Wait... People will understand who is who, and will vote for pools, they throw delegates out.

You do realize that if there were 101 pools, the lisk whales would earn x5-10x more lisk putting their weight into all 101 pools than if they were forging one node themselves right?

makes me wonder how you guys survived so long without math.
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