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Topic: [ANN][MOON] Mooncoin: You know where it's headed! KGW exploit FIXED 4/3/2014 - page 50. (Read 1106913 times)

legendary
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
Announcement:

Mooncoin Foundation was created by volunteers with a purpose to help developers and to support Mooncoin.
If you want to join us or to share your ideas on how we all can help and support Mooncoin development, please PM, or leave your comments.


Hello Mooncoin!

I'd like to join the Mooncoin Foundation!

1) I can offer deterministic Gitian builds for the Mooncoin wallet to improve wallet security and trust.
2) I can also support the wallet development with unique features like advanced checkpointing (ACP) that is now available for the 0.9.x wallet series.

Titan

What is Advanced Checkpointing?
Advanced Checkpointing allows us to send out checkpoints without having to redistribute the Feathercoin software. This works by having a 'master node' which checkpoints each block it sees on the network protecting it from the attacker. This checkpoint is then picked up by all the other clients on the network which will then ignore any blocks generated by a 51% attack. This protects merchants from transaction reversal and miners from losing their newly minted coins. With Advanced Checkpointing, Feathercoin becomes the most secure of all the Scrypt cryptographic currencies.

is this it?

http://www.coindesk.com/feathercoin-secures-block-chain-advanced-check-pointing/
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/6263/feathercoin-interview-with-peter-bushnell/ (see below in the interview, where they cover ACP)

One thing to keep in mind: using one central node as the reference for the checkpoints is the opposite of decentralization.
Maybe we should develop a better system to overcome 51% attacks? I'm still wondering, whether it would be a good idea to change from mining to staking in that regard (also if you think about protecting the environment, as mining pulls a lot of electricity)? What do you all here think about that? Any other ideas?

Hello Mooncoin!

There are a couple comments in place regarding ACP.

1) First of all ACP originates form Peercoin, the original proof of stake (POS) coin.
Thus every POS coin has ACP built in! Not every POS coin has the master node set up.

2) Feathercoin ported the ACP code from Peercoin to work with POW after the network suffered a severe attack.
Shortly thereafter I integrated the ACP code into the Luckycoin wallet with permission form Sunnyking.
The system is now working for nearly 2 years without failure.
While the Luckycoin certainly got its fair share of sometimes quite sophisticated attacks.

3) The Bitcoin 0.9.x wallet code completely broke the ACP internals due to a redesign of the internal block chain handling code.
That's the reason why Feathercoin hasn't updated their wallet.

4) The new ACP code is now a complete redesign to work with the Bitcoin 0.9.x series code base.
It took quite some time to figure everything out.

5) ACP features:
Accepting checkpoints is optional.
Every wallet can opt out from the checkpointing system.
ACP is driven by a single master node that decides on the checkpoints.
Every wallet is capable of being a master node with the right key.
It is a centralized authority that locks down the block chain.
In the same way are the hard checkpoints in the wallet issued by the developer centralized.
ACP blocks many types of attacks due to the fact that the block chain cannot be rewritten beyond a few blocks back.
Typically the checkpoint window is only a few minutes, after that no transaction can be changed.
With only hard checkpoints the whole block chain history back to the last hard checkpoint can be rewritten with enough hash power.

Food for thought.

Titan





That's good information. Thanks, Titan.

So the best would be to have some (master) nodes that are picked randomly to set the checkpoint every few minutes/blocks, if you use ACP? Is that possible, too?

It is only safe to have a single checkpoint master node due to the consistency requirement for the checkpoints.
The handover from one checkpoint master node to another is a delicate process. Two different forks could receive a checkpoint if one is not careful. If such an inconsistency is detected ACP puts the whole network in safe mode.

Generally the master node has to be reliable and well protected. Even in the case of a failure of the master node another node can be configured to take over the job. The network still works normally even without receiving new checkpoints.




Hhmm. A "master-node" seems to be a possible single point of failure. OK, the fallback to another node to become a master-node and possible fallback to the "simple-mode" (without ACP at all in case the backup-node also fails), could help. But how is that handled automatically by the network? Can it be handled automatically at all?

What about to place checkpoints into the blockchain of other coins by working together with them? Would that be possible?
Maybe that would be a cool idea. That way the different coins can "control" each other, making it very difficult to attack a single coin that is part of the whole network of "collaborating" coins.

Server uptime is not really a problem in this day and age. From my experience a well configured server can run for months without touching it.
The ACP handover must be done manually to ensure no inconsistent checkpoints are generated.

The checkpoint is a block hash. To be valid it must be a block hash of the current chain. So cross checkpointing another coin is not possible without the proper block chain information.


For the main part, I did not mean the server-uptime as the most problematic thing, regarding a single point of failure, but the possibility of someone hacking that machine or DDOS-attacks blocking it and keeping it from its functionality. And if a manual intervention is necessary in case of failure, what if the one responsible for that is on holiday and cannot be reached?
legendary
Activity: 1045
Merit: 1000
i sold my lotto around 300 and buying more MOON.

Soon moon will be around lotto now

Hello, Zeta0S, glad to see you again here.

Hello guys,

To strengthen the Moon Coin network i have opened a mining pool for MOON.
Feel free to join    Smiley

http://hollandsemultipool.nl/

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Thank you, had no time to post here du to stacking up old coins like moon and lotto.
Juist sold lot of lottocoins for top price so i am buying more and more moon. Really a bagholder here  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1031
Hello, Zeta0S, glad to see you again here.

Hello guys,

To strengthen the Moon Coin network i have opened a mining pool for MOON.
Feel free to join    Smiley

http://hollandsemultipool.nl/

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Thank you, had no time to post here du to stacking up old coins like moon and lotto.
Juist sold lot of lottocoins for top price so i am buying more and more moon. Really a bagholder here  Smiley
newbie
Activity: 2
Merit: 0
I haven't I'm still chillin' Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1375
Merit: 1010
Why do you sell everything ?
newbie
Activity: 2
Merit: 0
I am the wall of 2bn moon Smiley

Had them for a long time. I like the thought of being able to own nearly 1% of a currency.
legendary
Activity: 1045
Merit: 1000
Wow, that wall at 50 ofrece +1000ltc sold at market price until 27  Shocked

MORE CHEAP MOONS!!!


Who is the owner of that wall at 50 litoshi?  Grin Grin It will be down soon  Roll Eyes

wow big dump of 1.5billion to 25 litoshi, and the bounce back amazing to 45 right now  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
i got 1billion more  Grin Grin Grin Grin
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1005
https://cryptodatabase.net
Dear players of Dragon Knight,

The next update will have the following changes,

1. Ability to extract stone and iron from your kingdom, like with wood and fish
2. Ability to buy/sell stone and iron in your kingdoms resource market
3. Combining of Kingdom's wood and fish with villages wood and fish
4. Attacking villages will give you 10% of the fish, wood, stone, and iron that is inside if your troops are victorious
5. Ability to randomly find stone and iron while exploring

There is not an expected time of release at this time.
legendary
Activity: 1045
Merit: 1000
Who is the owner of that wall at 50 litoshi?  Grin Grin It will be down soon  Roll Eyes

wow big dump of 1.5billion to 25 litoshi, and the bounce back amazing to 45 right now  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
i got 1billion more  Grin Grin Grin Grin
legendary
Activity: 1045
Merit: 1000
wow big dump of 1.5billion to 25 litoshi, and the bounce back amazing to 45 right now  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
i got 1billion more  Grin Grin Grin Grin
legendary
Activity: 1045
Merit: 1000
BIG DUMP on cryptsy, time to get cheap moons



2ZhqNUdeH9KcekbAYrxpjBp2JdemHwtYiF    this wallet is mine

1   2F2RsYK3Ac6zGvENWTosF7xKor7g2bqzra    38749074880.71938324    19.07824269 % cryptsy
2   2bhtQXsgVSna9FGZfuAWenr1Smed59rLZQ    29999999940.00000000    14.77060501 % cryptsy
3   2ZhqNUdeH9KcekbAYrxpjBp2JdemHwtYiF    7835610243.12943554    3.85789014 %
4   2DMfpxPiMtpVDVyrxQAAmfBbZnDH4XCMfK    6215049900.48431969    3.06000158 % hacker
5   2QERTtcwHyDJzyH6WzqUpA1PBadD99ddTe    5699999943.00000000    2.80641493 % cryptsy
6   2JA3Cqf9on8YuxngxdXStCFKanAGnaQU5A    5263149966.00000000    2.59133031 % hacker
7   2H6ZKzGDB7DyRp2vkBcvPGHvR5wzrBAAPs    4785776472.00000000    2.35629380 %
8   2VyUQR43efHyY9a46VbnMWCC97RmFy4Xm9    4299993963.00000000    2.11711708 % cryptsy
9   2GWu3v33XYU8G6vHFaChYc6YA6edDmW1cK    4000000000.00000000    1.96941401 % hacker
10   2ZRuBqZvm3jC7pVR4RbQADhL1Ay8TymSUW    3789999934.00000000    1.86601974 %
11   2LKFcMY6Uk3qYqA4NYbgDS274ei2kx3BNf    3723497860.60786343    1.83327721 %
12   2VHzxtdHp8amKXus662b7ZqbgRfnycuQsy    3299999910.99943399    1.62476651 %
13   2YjTgNSPixzdVPBnZP7kNYLQ2kow8Lrqtw    2399999976.00000000    1.18164839 % cryptsy

member
Activity: 115
Merit: 10
Hello, Zeta0S, glad to see you again here.

Hello guys,

To strengthen the Moon Coin network i have opened a mining pool for MOON.
Feel free to join    Smiley

http://hollandsemultipool.nl/

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member
Activity: 115
Merit: 10
You have meant that you have downloaded this file http://downloads.mooncoin.rocks/Mooncoin-1.862.1.exe ?
Because on mooncoin.com there is only a link to a wallet.
As far as I know, the wallet is still the old, so it must work, only not to sync untill you add new nodes...
full member
Activity: 233
Merit: 100
Hello,

I just downloaded the moon wallte from mooncoin.com.

I can not start the program, it says not to be compatible with windows 32.

Can you help?

Thank you.
legendary
Activity: 1375
Merit: 1010
1   2F2RsYK3Ac6zGvENWTosF7xKor7g2bqzra    38749074880.71938324    19.07824269 % cryptsy
2   2bhtQXsgVSna9FGZfuAWenr1Smed59rLZQ    29999999940.00000000    14.77060501 % cryptsy
3   2ZhqNUdeH9KcekbAYrxpjBp2JdemHwtYiF    7835610243.12943554    3.85789014 %
4   2DMfpxPiMtpVDVyrxQAAmfBbZnDH4XCMfK    6215049900.48431969    3.06000158 % hacker
5   2QERTtcwHyDJzyH6WzqUpA1PBadD99ddTe    5699999943.00000000    2.80641493 % cryptsy
6   2JA3Cqf9on8YuxngxdXStCFKanAGnaQU5A    5263149966.00000000    2.59133031 % hacker
7   2H6ZKzGDB7DyRp2vkBcvPGHvR5wzrBAAPs    4785776472.00000000    2.35629380 %
8   2VyUQR43efHyY9a46VbnMWCC97RmFy4Xm9    4299993963.00000000    2.11711708 % cryptsy
9   2GWu3v33XYU8G6vHFaChYc6YA6edDmW1cK    4000000000.00000000    1.96941401 % hacker
10   2ZRuBqZvm3jC7pVR4RbQADhL1Ay8TymSUW    3789999934.00000000    1.86601974 %
11   2LKFcMY6Uk3qYqA4NYbgDS274ei2kx3BNf    3723497860.60786343    1.83327721 %
12   2VHzxtdHp8amKXus662b7ZqbgRfnycuQsy    3299999910.99943399    1.62476651 %
13   2YjTgNSPixzdVPBnZP7kNYLQ2kow8Lrqtw    2399999976.00000000    1.18164839 % cryptsy
legendary
Activity: 1375
Merit: 1010
1   2F2RsYK3Ac6zGvENWTosF7xKor7g2bqzra    38749074880.71938324    19.07824269 %
2   2bhtQXsgVSna9FGZfuAWenr1Smed59rLZQ    29999999940.00000000    14.77060501 %

Cryptsy split....in new mooncoin big address ....
legendary
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
Hello guys,

To strengthen the Moon Coin network i have opened a mining pool for MOON.
Feel free to join    Smiley

http://hollandsemultipool.nl/

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Cool! The more pools, the better.  Smiley


Edit:
Added it here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9456299
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
old coins are back!!!



All old coins in the list, EAC ready for the next pump?
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1031
Hello guys,

To strengthen the Moon Coin network i have opened a mining pool for MOON.
Feel free to join    Smiley

http://hollandsemultipool.nl/

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sr. member
Activity: 259
Merit: 260
Announcement:

Mooncoin Foundation was created by volunteers with a purpose to help developers and to support Mooncoin.
If you want to join us or to share your ideas on how we all can help and support Mooncoin development, please PM, or leave your comments.


Hello Mooncoin!

I'd like to join the Mooncoin Foundation!

1) I can offer deterministic Gitian builds for the Mooncoin wallet to improve wallet security and trust.
2) I can also support the wallet development with unique features like advanced checkpointing (ACP) that is now available for the 0.9.x wallet series.

Titan

What is Advanced Checkpointing?
Advanced Checkpointing allows us to send out checkpoints without having to redistribute the Feathercoin software. This works by having a 'master node' which checkpoints each block it sees on the network protecting it from the attacker. This checkpoint is then picked up by all the other clients on the network which will then ignore any blocks generated by a 51% attack. This protects merchants from transaction reversal and miners from losing their newly minted coins. With Advanced Checkpointing, Feathercoin becomes the most secure of all the Scrypt cryptographic currencies.

is this it?

http://www.coindesk.com/feathercoin-secures-block-chain-advanced-check-pointing/
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/6263/feathercoin-interview-with-peter-bushnell/ (see below in the interview, where they cover ACP)

One thing to keep in mind: using one central node as the reference for the checkpoints is the opposite of decentralization.
Maybe we should develop a better system to overcome 51% attacks? I'm still wondering, whether it would be a good idea to change from mining to staking in that regard (also if you think about protecting the environment, as mining pulls a lot of electricity)? What do you all here think about that? Any other ideas?

Hello Mooncoin!

There are a couple comments in place regarding ACP.

1) First of all ACP originates form Peercoin, the original proof of stake (POS) coin.
Thus every POS coin has ACP built in! Not every POS coin has the master node set up.

2) Feathercoin ported the ACP code from Peercoin to work with POW after the network suffered a severe attack.
Shortly thereafter I integrated the ACP code into the Luckycoin wallet with permission form Sunnyking.
The system is now working for nearly 2 years without failure.
While the Luckycoin certainly got its fair share of sometimes quite sophisticated attacks.

3) The Bitcoin 0.9.x wallet code completely broke the ACP internals due to a redesign of the internal block chain handling code.
That's the reason why Feathercoin hasn't updated their wallet.

4) The new ACP code is now a complete redesign to work with the Bitcoin 0.9.x series code base.
It took quite some time to figure everything out.

5) ACP features:
Accepting checkpoints is optional.
Every wallet can opt out from the checkpointing system.
ACP is driven by a single master node that decides on the checkpoints.
Every wallet is capable of being a master node with the right key.
It is a centralized authority that locks down the block chain.
In the same way are the hard checkpoints in the wallet issued by the developer centralized.
ACP blocks many types of attacks due to the fact that the block chain cannot be rewritten beyond a few blocks back.
Typically the checkpoint window is only a few minutes, after that no transaction can be changed.
With only hard checkpoints the whole block chain history back to the last hard checkpoint can be rewritten with enough hash power.

Food for thought.

Titan





That's good information. Thanks, Titan.

So the best would be to have some (master) nodes that are picked randomly to set the checkpoint every few minutes/blocks, if you use ACP? Is that possible, too?

It is only safe to have a single checkpoint master node due to the consistency requirement for the checkpoints.
The handover from one checkpoint master node to another is a delicate process. Two different forks could receive a checkpoint if one is not careful. If such an inconsistency is detected ACP puts the whole network in safe mode.

Generally the master node has to be reliable and well protected. Even in the case of a failure of the master node another node can be configured to take over the job. The network still works normally even without receiving new checkpoints.




Hhmm. A "master-node" seems to be a possible single point of failure. OK, the fallback to another node to become a master-node and possible fallback to the "simple-mode" (without ACP at all in case the backup-node also fails), could help. But how is that handled automatically by the network? Can it be handled automatically at all?

What about to place checkpoints into the blockchain of other coins by working together with them? Would that be possible?
Maybe that would be a cool idea. That way the different coins can "control" each other, making it very difficult to attack a single coin that is part of the whole network of "collaborating" coins.

Server uptime is not really a problem in this day and age. From my experience a well configured server can run for months without touching it.
The ACP handover must be done manually to ensure no inconsistent checkpoints are generated.

The checkpoint is a block hash. To be valid it must be a block hash of the current chain. So cross checkpointing another coin is not possible without the proper block chain information.

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