Topic: [ANN][NOXT] - NobleNXT Proposal/Whitepaper - Noble's 1st Colored Coin - page 23. (Read 194194 times)

i think pikuchato means the governance of the project. Lets ASSUME Rofo would never appear again.
It would have a very hight chance to die in the current stage
(its about the stage of a project, its about the mind of an exiting community, NOT about a founding gap).
And pikuchato is correct in my view, same is for 98% of all projects here on bitcointalk including my own, Europecoin
in the beginning but there jumped many in in and it COULD survive if  I would vanish, but the chance would be not too high either.
But thats it, decentralisation at the social layer is a PROCESS, not a property.

Nearly ALL Projects are one Person has a initial Idea/Plan/Vision,
may share it and then others follow, Thats not a decentratizized strukture eben when the Project is
building an TECHNICAL decentralized  system that  COULD get SOCIALY decentral over time. (like happened to Bitcoin)
This is not eval, but it is how things start - even bitcoin.

Did you realize how strange it is, that coins, left by their maintainer normally die?
(Beware: IRONIC SATIRE ATTEMPT) Well a vanished developer is a bad thing,
we had this in Btrcoin we don't want to have that again ... lol
from perspective from today’s people, even (spoiler: blaspheme attempt)  
Sathoshi Nakamoto could get named scammer.
(dont even dare to put THESE words into my mouth: its an example)

in my first paper on the ERC takeover i wrote my opinion, that the biggest gap, we will have to fill,
is the decentralization of our minds, how we think, function and govern (or  not govern) as a society.
This (great) discussion here, draws the full picture of what i meant with that.

By the way, great to heart from you Rofo, PM me if you need help with your hosting.

have fun
Matthias


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Let's agree to disagree

Also, it's not spam, but a critical discussion topic for ALL crypto. Just because particular individuals are at the center does not make the project centralized. Tim Berners-Lee is/was at the 'center' of WWW development for many years but WWW is definitely decentralised, same with bitcoin dev too (we know who the current core devs are doing all the work, but they're not legally responsible for bitcoin).

We need to separate common sense view of 'who is doing the work' with legal reality of 'who is responsible to whom, and for what'.

These issues aren't spam, but key philosophical points of interest.

IMO NOXT is not a legal security, and rofo is almost a sole trader from a business point of view. That's what the law would say (hopefully), otherwise rofo could be in deep trouble for securities violations. If you bought NOXT you didn't buy a 'share' in anything. What you bought is something different, new, and decentralised, and it might be valuable one day, but there isn't a legal contract anywhere to be seen, and that's why I think NOXT is still decentralised.

Having a legal entity is not a requirement for a project in order to be centralized, centralized means it being controlled by a centralized identity/group - jason in this case.

"Peer-to-peer payment system dabbler, Noble (www.noblemovement.com) founder/director (centralized distributed ledger service and consultancy business), decentralized cryptocurrency NobleCoin (NOBL) founder, alternative cryptocurrency advocate, outspoken industry and manipulation critic, digital currency investment advisor, web/API/payment developer/designer"

Anyway I think this discussion is just spamming the thread, I will be happy to explain why noxt is centralized in private in case you still wonder.
I did read the whitepaper few times...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralisation

what words did i put in your mouth?

i just disagree that noxt project is centralised coz there's no legal entity involved afaik

You are confusing noxt token which is decentralized with noxt project which is centralized...


edit: please don't put words in my mouth, I just said noxt is not a decentralized project.

huh ... of course it's a decentralised project

NOXT is a NXT asset and NOBL is a crypto coin

there's no legal entity you can sue if things go belly-up

I think rofo's doing smart thing to cover himself legally, but it's still a wild-west show - buying NOXT & NOBL doesn't give anyone any legal recourse if rofo turned out to be a crook

Thank you for the update rofo, much appreciated.

The ACL is taking longer than expected due to partnership issues, and some of it is quite sensitive at the moment.

The new application is reaching a point where it can go live early next year - however I need to resolve 3rd party disputes first. I'm not sure how long this may take, as there has been reneging of responsibilities and guarantees delaying progress but not on my end.

I will release a number of new patches resolving all listed issues and with European payments this month regardless for the Noble app. and make it fully live - most of my time the last 2 months has unfortunately had to go towards my second application with third parties and dealing with delays.

It's Christmas period - so some departments or partners go into hibernation mode. I know we don't and respect that.

I'll give patch updates and info. on the second app. the moment I can. It's not in the cryptocurrency sphere, is monetized, and does not compete with the Noble app. It is also the bedrock for ACL/financial licensing in Australia and a test-bed/use-case for whatever the predominant blockchain will be (with everything I'm doing able to accommodate any/all chains rather than isolate itself on one).

The Noble app. is progressing and I am still seeking new users, but it will go live Dec. regardless as it's had long enough.

cool story, but noxt is not a decentralized project

I think that is understandable but maybe not relevant in decentralized crypto projects. Once you invest there's no way to get your money back, and as there's no firm  legal foundation in this space, i think expecting regular communication from a busy dev up to his eyeballs is too old school imo. Rofo has been abused quite a bit in the past so why would he bother?

I actually respect crypto devs more if they shutup and code. It's the mega posting salesmen who''ve done all the damage. I think we just have to embrace the new paradigm fully, and that means once you invest you walk away and wait. Asking for updates is 100% pointless. A scammer won't care, and an honest devs time is better spent working than posting here, especially if they've had bad experiences with trolls before. If i was rofo i would login here only when i had real news, not just pointless 'i am alive' posts

I'm not having a bitch or anything, I reckon stuff is going on in the background, but would just like to know what!

lol. Here we go again. 

Doesn't look that way

https://staisybit.com did open their gates for NOBLE
so a multicoin webwallet that can stake ur coins for u is now avaiable!

the free wallet size of https://staisybit.com is in 0.4 BTC

so u can easy deposit up to 4 million  NOBLE for a free account and test their service!

it is expected over time this will be much more than just a staking webwallet

who know maybe u will even be able access the NOBLE marketplace from there (hint hint  )

we are about to enable Noble cloudstaking on our server

read more here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13059746

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have fun
Matthias


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i guessin somewhere near this.
Where most are headed. Long Weekend and such.   



AG18

Too busy working to follow forum probably

Rofo...? where are you?

thank you for welcoming me :-) i am trying to understand everything as quick as possible, i needed two weeks for a first glimpse,
still struggling with the asset part but i guess its like all crypto, i will  just have to pass my tippingpoint :-)

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Hi, glad to have you onboard. Judging from what I have just read you are a perfect fit for our community