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legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
I am sure btcMagnet will survive it and what Fonzerrellie said was also right.

But, btcMagnet, thought he was again against greedy picks but we are not, maybe ignorant when it's too technical, for my part.

BtcMagnet is of course welcome, but he was very offensive, but also constructive.  In this very important discussion round, btcMagnet's position was not always easy to understand at the beginning.

OC loves critical and constructive discussions Cheesy

Honestly Fonzerrellie is talking a lot of bullshit, and only thinking of himself and his profit, but Orangecoin is a great coins, and i will add some coins at current levels, as i see some movement upwards.


lol ya thats why I said whatever the devs feel is best multiple times...

EDIT: if I was just worried about my profits I would've helped you with your scam like you were probably hoping I would... instead of helping you "save" ctz to get my profits out, instead I took a big loss with a smile on my face to not be apart of your dirty games.


we're not all a bunch of con artists in crypto

get a life sugar pill

You're just a sick men, i said i had 100M CTZ coins, never said that i bought 100M coins that, even a asshole would have notice that there was only 65M coins traded that day,and that in the situation that nobody else had orders on it, but yes, monkeys has brains, but it looks like this monkey only had FUD. You're just disgusting, people like you should be removed from bitcointalk forever.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
snip.... I am skeptical.... snip
The most conservative aspect of my estimates is the fact that I used BC as a comparison,
which is not even an anon coin. (could have used dark you know, even when compensating for the difference in total number (12 to 1) this bumps the 80k figure to well over 300k per year for the service in question)

And here's a free tip... any coin that is not anon is going to be very seriously disadvantaged when ppl generally realize that non-anon coins (including btc btw) leave a double-wide trail engraved in digital stone.
because... At least half the wealth flowing into cc is trying to escape being tracked somewhere down the road.

I want to first thank you for not taking my words as attacking your point of view, and thank you for welcoming me, I've been paying quite a bit of attention to the crypto scene for the past few months, and we need very opinionated people like yourself here.

anon is a good feature, but it is just that, a feature, and in a few months will be a STANDARD feature among coins as an option to how we can spend our cryptocurrency..... snip

What you are saying is true in a field of 500 alt coins, but the anon field is currently about a dozen, with half of those being either weak or felonious in their support.  The few remaining anons will get a monster head start at the very least, which is all the edge a coin like OC will need to set new precedents in price gains.
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 0
snip.... I am skeptical.... snip
The most conservative aspect of my estimates is the fact that I used BC as a comparison,
which is not even an anon coin. (could have used dark you know, even when compensating for the difference in total number (12 to 1) this bumps the 80k figure to well over 300k per year for the service in question)

And here's a free tip... any coin that is not anon is going to be very seriously disadvantaged when ppl generally realize that non-anon coins (including btc btw) leave a double-wide trail engraved in digital stone.
because... At least half the wealth flowing into cc is trying to escape being tracked somewhere down the road.

I want to first thank you for not taking my words as attacking your point of view, and thank you for welcoming me, I've been paying quite a bit of attention to the crypto scene for the past few months, and we need very opinionated people like yourself here.

anon is a good feature, but it is just that, a feature, and in a few months will be a STANDARD feature among coins as an option to how we can spend our cryptocurrency.  Laws of diminishing returns would say at this point, if orangecoin devs release just the anon, with no good followup innovation within a month, this coin will experience a bump to 1k-2k sats, then probably stagnate and wither.  Darkcoin gets to ride the anon wave, as they were first, so their price will stay inflated due to the expansion of that feature, that is why I am skeptical of the future prices you are saying.

In order for this coin to achieve what you are aiming for, it needs new features, that no other coins possesses yet (XC is working on blockchain 2.0, VRC is working on variable PoS/SMS payments, MAST/CLOAK is working on anon exchanges, LOL is trying to get their foot in the door of League of legends, etc...), and a lot of this innovation needs to be claimed in WEEKS, not months.  Coins that do break out can have a longer outlook than a few months, (BTC has yearly outlooks, LTC has no outlook (my personal beliefs IMO), and DRK has a 3 month outlook).

I want to be somewhat optimistic though, in that this is one of the first times I have seen devs have a goal, but need to discuss and adjust the inner workings of a coin with its owners, about how we would do it. 

If this coin has a breakout, and it does succeed where few have, then I completely agree with your longer term outlooks, as it stands now, I think your fighting for a dream, not necessarily a reality.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
snip.... I am skeptical.... snip
The most conservative aspect of my estimates is the fact that I used BC as a comparison,
which is not even an anon coin. (could have used dark you know, even when compensating for the difference in total number (12 to 1) this bumps the 80k figure to well over 300k per year for the service in question)

And here's a free tip... any coin that is not anon is going to be very seriously disadvantaged when ppl generally realize that non-anon coins (including btc btw) leave a double-wide trail engraved in digital stone.
because... At least half the wealth flowing into cc is trying to escape being tracked somewhere down the road.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
Kaspa
I am sure btcMagnet will survive it and what Fonzerrellie said was also right.

But, btcMagnet, thought he was again against greedy picks but we are not, maybe ignorant when it's too technical, for my part.

BtcMagnet is of course welcome, but he was very offensive, but also constructive.  In this very important discussion round, btcMagnet's position was not always easy to understand at the beginning.

OC loves critical and constructive discussions Cheesy

Honestly Fonzerrellie is talking a lot of bullshit, and only thinking of himself and his profit, but Orangecoin is a great coins, and i will add some coins at current levels, as i see some movement upwards.


lol ya thats why I said whatever the devs feel is best multiple times...

EDIT: if I was just worried about my profits I would've helped you with your scam like you were probably hoping I would... instead of helping you "save" ctz to get my profits out, instead I took a big loss with a smile on my face to not be apart of your dirty games.


we're not all a bunch of con artists in crypto

get a life sugar pill
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
Kaspa
there's lots of manipulative people in crypto that do all sorts of dirty things to hurt or slow down other coins

Indeed, what you have been doing on other boards with all your sort of dirty things, isn't it?

lol Okay sugar pill, did I start a coin then drop it days before pow ended so I could scoop up a shwack of cheap coins from the people who had been investing in it the whole time??

sorry all I did was let people know what you did, and that your probably still the dev of ctz pretending to be a diff person lol

a lil butt hurt your scam fell through??  I even left a comment that could have cleaned the slate for the holders of your coin, that would have left them at the 3-4 satos they were at before you crashed it down to 1 sato

and if kingcoiny didn't want to be seen as a makeshift scam exchange to rip people off maybe he shouldn't have started it so shaddy and lied multiple times, and false info on the whois.


lol feel free people to look at my past post Cheesy I'm proud of them all except any supporting placebo or kingcoiny.




newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
Could the MN-miner gang step up and show themselves  Cheesy

BTCMagnet I have to admit a few things are too technical for me, but I think that you might be exaggerating a bit with the MN gang !  Grin
the MN-gang is theoretical on my part, i hope they turn out to not exist at all.

But the probability of $80,000.00 plus price tags on this service is a matter of mathematics, not theory.

and it's just way too much, and figures (very soon) to be even more by my calculation,
btw i dont think even the creators of this coin realize its potential.
 
such astronomical overpaying would be an unnecessary drain on the oc economy for decades,
ie we could get the same, and prob better, service with a free market system.  

This principle is basic in all economic systems, and it is being total ignored by these hopeless attempts to divine and dictate the future value of orange.  You can't promise to pay a fixed amount in given currency for the next 45 years without having some clear idea of what that currency will be worth over that span of time.  Orange is going up in serious multiples soon, which makes this blind promise an unbelievably bad deal for the orange community.

I may be new to posting in the forums, but I do know that you are cutting your ankles before you begin to run.  The price of OC is astronomically low compared to your supposed guess of figures, and I hate to play devils advocate, but just like growing a business, your odds of success are REALLY low.

I am a large holder of OC, and I do believe that this coin has the capability of a short term healthy gain and traction if the devs continue to innovate, but saying this coin will be worth half of what blackcoin is, is a huge undertaking, one that I am skeptical about.  

In the world of crypto, long term IS 6 months, thats the make or break time (some would argue even less than that), so please let the devs continue to innovate in the next month, and not worry about 42 years down the line, this conversation needs to end, progress needs to be made.

My estimates concerning the future of OC are based on math, cc history, and current crypto politics.
I don't think they are optimistic considering some of the upcoming additions to the currency,
each of which appears to traditionally have a reliable proportional effect on the price.

I like the tone of your interest.  Welcome.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
"[You] let [me] in on this discussion" "golf clap" way to twist words man.

if your not new then why start a new account just for OC?  most people use the same account for all their conversations on here and don't try to slink around... so ya of course it seems suspicious


and it doesn't mean your points are irrelevant, but your intentions maybe suspect


EDIT:  "and just how did you propose to keep me out?"  you obviously didn't read it correctly... "the fact that we're even being let in on this discussion and that it's totally public shows nobody is trying to "dictate" anything. If they were this discussion wouldn't be happening and we would have gotten whatever they decided by themselves."  Notice the word "WE'RE"... if they wanted to leave US out of the conversation they could have done it all privately and released whatever set up they wanted.

 I have nothing to do with the dev team, I'm just a supporter so please stop implying that I am anything but.
i can see there was some confusion on the discussion access matter, no hard feelings.
as for my intentions i believe they are transparent to any open-minded and intelligent person.

Why do you always use bold letters, that's annoying.
sry guess i feel a little out numbered and in need of some bold help
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
For the benefit of medical research
"[You] let [me] in on this discussion" "golf clap" way to twist words man.

if your not new then why start a new account just for OC?  most people use the same account for all their conversations on here and don't try to slink around... so ya of course it seems suspicious


and it doesn't mean your points are irrelevant, but your intentions maybe suspect


EDIT:  "and just how did you propose to keep me out?"  you obviously didn't read it correctly... "the fact that we're even being let in on this discussion and that it's totally public shows nobody is trying to "dictate" anything. If they were this discussion wouldn't be happening and we would have gotten whatever they decided by themselves."  Notice the word "WE'RE"... if they wanted to leave US out of the conversation they could have done it all privately and released whatever set up they wanted.

 I have nothing to do with the dev team, I'm just a supporter so please stop implying that I am anything but.
i can see there was some confusion on the discussion access matter, no hard feelings.
as for my intentions i believe they are transparent to any open-minded and intelligent person.

Why do you always use bold letters, that's annoying.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
"[You] let [me] in on this discussion" "golf clap" way to twist words man.

if your not new then why start a new account just for OC?  most people use the same account for all their conversations on here and don't try to slink around... so ya of course it seems suspicious


and it doesn't mean your points are irrelevant, but your intentions maybe suspect


EDIT:  "and just how did you propose to keep me out?"  you obviously didn't read it correctly... "the fact that we're even being let in on this discussion and that it's totally public shows nobody is trying to "dictate" anything. If they were this discussion wouldn't be happening and we would have gotten whatever they decided by themselves."  Notice the word "WE'RE"... if they wanted to leave US out of the conversation they could have done it all privately and released whatever set up they wanted.

 I have nothing to do with the dev team, I'm just a supporter so please stop implying that I am anything but.
i can see there was some confusion on the discussion access matter, no hard feelings.
as for my intentions i believe they are transparent to any open-minded and intelligent person.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
I am sure btcMagnet will survive it and what Fonzerrellie said was also right.

But, btcMagnet, thought he was again against greedy picks but we are not, maybe ignorant when it's too technical, for my part.

BtcMagnet is of course welcome, but he was very offensive, but also constructive.  In this very important discussion round, btcMagnet's position was not always easy to understand at the beginning.

OC loves critical and constructive discussions Cheesy

Honestly Fonzerrellie is talking a lot of bullshit, and only thinking of himself and his profit, but Orangecoin is a great coins, and i will add some coins at current levels, as i see some movement upwards.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
there's lots of manipulative people in crypto that do all sorts of dirty things to hurt or slow down other coins

Indeed, what you have been doing on other boards with all your sort of dirty things, isn't it?
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
Could the MN-miner gang step up and show themselves  Cheesy

BTCMagnet I have to admit a few things are too technical for me, but I think that you might be exaggerating a bit with the MN gang !  Grin
the MN-gang is theoretical on my part, i hope they turn out to not exist at all.

But the probability of $80,000.00 plus price tags on this service is a matter of mathematics, not theory.

and it's just way too much, and figures (very soon) to be even more by my calculation,
btw i dont think even the creators of this coin realize its potential.
 
such astronomical overpaying would be an unnecessary drain on the oc economy for decades,
ie we could get the same, and prob better, service with a free market system.  

This principle is basic in all economic systems, and it is being total ignored by these hopeless attempts to divine and dictate the future value of orange.  You can't promise to pay a fixed amount in given currency for the next 45 years without having some clear idea of what that currency will be worth over that span of time.  Orange is going up in serious multiples soon, which makes this blind promise an unbelievably bad deal for the orange community.


We are all sick of hearing this "paying for" and "$80,000 price tag" these are all numbers and words you have came up with. And you act like they are real, it makes you look like your arguing with yourself. We have decided to borrow this amount of coins from our children to help better the coin and raise the value now. If the original spec said 41 years and not 46 years, I'm sure you would have invested just as much and done nothing diffrent. If your still a stake holder in 41 years, and bitcointalk is still around then we can talk about this more. Do I plan on orangecoin lasting many years past it's 42st birthday? Yes!!! However I also plan on that same day looking back and thinking what a great choose it was to pay for masternodes. Once again if you want to be upset at $80,000 price tag for masternodes then, also be upset about that same price tag being $800,000 (10 time more) for PoS. PoS only allows normal transactions, not running a server with up keep prices and un spendable coins.

I understand that Jim Rambler, who has been working hard and good, is a bit pissed off with btcMagnet who always comes out with the same points. Even if, the toughts of btcMagnet might very interesting, he just created an account on the 7th, so btcMagnet as to understand that by such technical points, he should accept that is position is not easy to understand and should try to be more diplomatic.
The math proving these excessive figures has been posted several times already, few are attempting to deny the amounts; the current thinking seems to be that $80k a year (or 2 or 3 times this) is a reasonable charge for this (relatively lightweight and minimal-investment requiring) service.... which is what i dispute.
sr. member
Activity: 435
Merit: 250
I am sure btcMagnet will survive it and what Fonzerrellie said was also right.

But, btcMagnet, thought he was again against greedy picks but we are not, maybe ignorant when it's too technical, for my part.

BtcMagnet is of course welcome, but he was very offensive, but also constructive.  In this very important discussion round, btcMagnet's position was not always easy to understand at the beginning.

OC loves critical and constructive discussions Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
Kaspa
"the MN-gang is theoretical on my part" lol no kidding, but why throw around and imply negative assumptions like that?  just because you don't feel you've been listened to ?  

 the fact that we're even being let in on this discussion and that it's totally public shows nobody is trying to "dictate" anything. If they were this discussion wouldn't be happening and we would have gotten whatever they decided by themselves.

the dev's can't be expected to please everyone and I am confident their going to do whats best for orangecoin while trying their best to take everyones opinions into consideration.

if your theory on automated bidding or pay adjustments is truly easiest and logical then I'm sure it's being taken into consideration.

Please don't be butt hurt that someone who's only been a participating member of our community since the 7th is being looked at cautiously as someone who may be just trying to stir up sh!t and drag out the conversation longer than it has to be, we were mined on dedicated weren't hiding in some private pool... you could have been part of this conversation from the start like many of us have been. there's lots of manipulative people in crypto that do all sorts of dirty things to hurt or slow down other coins and we have a right to be cautious and skeptical of newbs (most people in crypto have months on these threads not days)
"[You] let [me] in on this discussion" .....?   lol... well gosh thank you
and just how did you propose to keep me out?

if i weren't speaking we would probably be looking at a 15 or 20% train wreck in oc future
instead of a 10% gouge.


btw i was trying optimistically to give the MN-gang the benefit of a very small doubt, that gets smaller as you speak. Maybe i simply prefered to think that the distance between what you and i are saying is based on ignorance as opposed to greed.

and you look at my new status and suggest that is relevant, well it isn't.
besides, don't believe everything you read
if you think i just parachuted into cc you haven't been paying much attention.


"[You] let [me] in on this discussion" "golf clap" way to twist words man.

if your not new then why start a new account just for OC?  most people use the same account for all their conversations on here and don't try to slink around... so ya of course it seems suspicious


and it doesn't mean your points are irrelevant, but your intentions maybe suspect


EDIT:  "and just how did you propose to keep me out?"  you obviously didn't read it correctly... "the fact that we're even being let in on this discussion and that it's totally public shows nobody is trying to "dictate" anything. If they were this discussion wouldn't be happening and we would have gotten whatever they decided by themselves."  Notice the word "WE'RE"... if they wanted to leave US out of the conversation they could have done it all privately and released whatever set up they wanted.

 I have nothing to do with the dev team, I'm just a supporter so please stop implying that I am anything but.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
Cheers very one!! You have all been great, I did have my hang ups about setting myself up for a large 24/7 group discussion about this. However with a community like OC I just knew we could pull this off. It's been a pleasure having this conv. with all of you. Haha even though at times it may of looked like I had my buttons pushed, just remember I may just need a little sleep, Which I plan on tonight.
newbie
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Could the MN-miner gang step up and show themselves  Cheesy

BTCMagnet I have to admit a few things are too technical for me, but I think that you might be exaggerating a bit with the MN gang !  Grin
the MN-gang is theoretical on my part, i hope they turn out to not exist at all.

But the probability of $80,000.00 plus price tags on this service is a matter of mathematics, not theory.

and it's just way too much, and figures (very soon) to be even more by my calculation,
btw i dont think even the creators of this coin realize its potential.
 
such astronomical overpaying would be an unnecessary drain on the oc economy for decades,
ie we could get the same, and prob better, service with a free market system.  

This principle is basic in all economic systems, and it is being total ignored by these hopeless attempts to divine and dictate the future value of orange.  You can't promise to pay a fixed amount in given currency for the next 45 years without having some clear idea of what that currency will be worth over that span of time.  Orange is going up in serious multiples soon, which makes this blind promise an unbelievably bad deal for the orange community.

I may be new to posting in the forums, but I do know that you are cutting your ankles before you begin to run.  The price of OC is astronomically low compared to your supposed guess of figures, and I hate to play devils advocate, but just like growing a business, your odds of success are REALLY low.

I am a large holder of OC, and I do believe that this coin has the capability of a short term healthy gain and traction if the devs continue to innovate, but saying this coin will be worth half of what blackcoin is, is a huge undertaking, one that I am skeptical about.  

In the world of crypto, long term IS 6 months, thats the make or break time (some would argue even less than that), so please let the devs continue to innovate in the next month, and not worry about 42 years down the line, this conversation needs to end, progress needs to be made.
hero member
Activity: 938
Merit: 1000
@halofirebtc
Time vested is irrelevant, as long as the community member's point are valid. But I understand your concerns about btcmagnet being a new community member also. Please don't attack that aspect, he's entitled to voice his thoughts, as much as the guy who invests in 1 OC tomorrow.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
"the MN-gang is theoretical on my part" lol no kidding, but why throw around and imply negative assumptions like that?  just because you don't feel you've been listened to ?  

 the fact that we're even being let in on this discussion and that it's totally public shows nobody is trying to "dictate" anything. If they were this discussion wouldn't be happening and we would have gotten whatever they decided by themselves.

the dev's can't be expected to please everyone and I am confident their going to do whats best for orangecoin while trying their best to take everyones opinions into consideration.

if your theory on automated bidding or pay adjustments is truly easiest and logical then I'm sure it's being taken into consideration.

Please don't be butt hurt that someone who's only been a participating member of our community since the 7th is being looked at cautiously as someone who may be just trying to stir up sh!t and drag out the conversation longer than it has to be, we were mined on dedicated weren't hiding in some private pool... you could have been part of this conversation from the start like many of us have been. there's lots of manipulative people in crypto that do all sorts of dirty things to hurt or slow down other coins and we have a right to be cautious and skeptical of newbs (most people in crypto have months on these threads not days)
"[You] let [me] in on this discussion" .....?   lol... well gosh thank you
and just how did you propose to keep me out?

if i weren't speaking we would probably be looking at a 15 or 20% train wreck in oc future
instead of a 10% gouge.


btw i was trying optimistically to give the MN-gang the benefit of a very small doubt, that gets smaller as you speak. Maybe i simply prefered to think that the distance between what you and i are saying is based on ignorance as opposed to greed.

and you look at my new status and suggest that is relevant, well it isn't.
besides, don't believe everything you read
if you think i just parachuted into cc you haven't been paying much attention.
sr. member
Activity: 435
Merit: 250
"the MN-gang is theoretical on my part" lol no kidding, but why throw around and imply negative assumptions like that?  just because you don't feel you've been listened to ?  

 the fact that we're even being let in on this discussion and that it's totally public shows nobody is trying to "dictate" anything. If they were this discussion wouldn't be happening and we would have gotten whatever they decided by themselves.

the dev's can't be expected to please everyone and I am confident their going to do whats best for orangecoin while trying their best to take everyones opinions into consideration.

if your theory on automated bidding or pay adjustments is truly easiest and logical then I'm sure it's being taken into consideration.

Please don't be butt hurt that someone who's only been a participating member of our community since the 7th is being looked at cautiously as someone who may be just trying to stir up sh!t and drag out the conversation longer than it has to be, we were mined on dedicated weren't hiding in some private pool... you could have been part of this conversation from the start like many of us have been. there's lots of manipulative people in crypto that do all sorts of dirty things to hurt or slow down other coins and we have a right to be cautious and skeptical of newbs (most people in crypto have months on these threads not days)

+1  Grin

Wild Wild West  Wink





+1 Well said Fonzerrellie
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