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what to use for fee now for first tx? btc fees low now so first tx confirm too fast, troubles making money now
diffcult to find sites where double spend works > $100 USD
Yes rollorspin you are correct! Thank you for posting.
this is not Money Doubler site
Use site to make double spends and read up on what that is
Use site to make double spends and read up on what that is
warningsigns,
The double spending problem would not be a problem at all if everyone followed the advice of the creators of bitcoin and did not trust unconfirmed transactions. However, some web sites have ignored this rule in an attempt to increase their profits by not making users wait for transactions to confirm before providing them with a service (such as betting, crytocurrency exchange, etc.).
The Glass Hunt double spend site (https://www.glasshunt.co/exploits/bitcoin-double-spend/) has been around for more than a year. All we have done with bitdoubler.io is to make a similar site that is open source, cheaper to use, and that has a lower minimum (so that users can risk less when trying out our site).
Peter Todd (one of the bitcoin core developers) has been advocating for an end to trusting unconfirmed transactions. He announced the success of his own double spend attack (https://www.coingecko.com/buzz/peter-todd-explains-how-he-double-spent-coinbase) and even published its python source code (https://github.com/petertodd/replace-by-fee-tools/blob/master/doublespend.py).
We are simply offering a service that works at the expense of others who unwisely trust unconfirmed transactions.
The double spending problem would not be a problem at all if everyone followed the advice of the creators of bitcoin and did not trust unconfirmed transactions. However, some web sites have ignored this rule in an attempt to increase their profits by not making users wait for transactions to confirm before providing them with a service (such as betting, crytocurrency exchange, etc.).
The Glass Hunt double spend site (https://www.glasshunt.co/exploits/bitcoin-double-spend/) has been around for more than a year. All we have done with bitdoubler.io is to make a similar site that is open source, cheaper to use, and that has a lower minimum (so that users can risk less when trying out our site).
Peter Todd (one of the bitcoin core developers) has been advocating for an end to trusting unconfirmed transactions. He announced the success of his own double spend attack (https://www.coingecko.com/buzz/peter-todd-explains-how-he-double-spent-coinbase) and even published its python source code (https://github.com/petertodd/replace-by-fee-tools/blob/master/doublespend.py).
We are simply offering a service that works at the expense of others who unwisely trust unconfirmed transactions.
Doublespending is another word for scamming. Not sure what your rationale is for developing such a site but what you are encouraging here is plain wrong. As you can see above, there is someone attempting to doublespend a Shapeshift transaction. In other words, he probably wants to gain twice of what is supposed to be a single-value once-off transaction.
A bitcoin payment is supposed to be one which can't be manipulated or reversed. The idea of doublespending is grounded on the premise of successfully spending some money more than once, blatantly contradicting the most basic expectation of bitcoin being an irreversible and final transaction. Doublespending will always lead to some kind of loss or damage. Not sure why you are happily and positively encouraging it here.
A bitcoin payment is supposed to be one which can't be manipulated or reversed. The idea of doublespending is grounded on the premise of successfully spending some money more than once, blatantly contradicting the most basic expectation of bitcoin being an irreversible and final transaction. Doublespending will always lead to some kind of loss or damage. Not sure why you are happily and positively encouraging it here.
rollorspin,
Some sites limit the amount they will accept as an instant deposit (0 confirmations) in order to reduce losses from double spending.
Some sites limit the amount they will accept as an instant deposit (0 confirmations) in order to reduce losses from double spending.
cannot get to work for >= 0.01 BTC on shapeshift please advise, not worth it for low amount
crairezx20,
We would be happy to send 0.003 btc to you to test our site...you can double spend between two of your own wallet addresses and keep the btc when done testing.
We would be happy to send 0.003 btc to you to test our site...you can double spend between two of your own wallet addresses and keep the btc when done testing.
AdolfinWolf, thanks for your feedback. In response to your post:
1. We created the https://www.bitdoubler.io site to allow people an easy and cheap way to create double spends. We weren't happy with the existing double spend sites out there, such as the most popular one: https://www.glasshunt.co/exploits/bitcoin-double-spend, for a number of reasons. The Glass Hunt site charges a high fee (10% of your double spend amount) and has a high minimum (0.015 btc) amount to send. So we created a cheaper, open-source version that only charges a flat fee of 0.0001 btc and has a low 0.001 btc minimum.
2. We understand what you're saying about the immorality of double spending. Some may consider this site immoral because it can be used to fool people. We will leave it up to each individual person to decide if he or she wants to participate in double spending.
3. Not sure what you mean by "i could send transactions to myself on your site for some reason? is this a bug?." If you mean that you can put the same bitcoin address for both the first transaction and second transaction then you are correct. This is not a bug, but rather an option. If you were to send both the first and second transactions of a double spend to the same address then it would appear that the destination address would be receiving double the amount of bitcoins. This is an option we make available to users.
4. You are correct that most casinos have added double spend protections to their web sites recently. As explained in the FAQ, profiting through double spending would probably only work against new gambling sites that have not anticipated or prepared for double spend situations.
WTH is this? Are you really advocating and advertising and announcing DOUBLE SPENDING !?. Here in this Forum? Really!?1. We created the https://www.bitdoubler.io site to allow people an easy and cheap way to create double spends. We weren't happy with the existing double spend sites out there, such as the most popular one: https://www.glasshunt.co/exploits/bitcoin-double-spend, for a number of reasons. The Glass Hunt site charges a high fee (10% of your double spend amount) and has a high minimum (0.015 btc) amount to send. So we created a cheaper, open-source version that only charges a flat fee of 0.0001 btc and has a low 0.001 btc minimum.
2. We understand what you're saying about the immorality of double spending. Some may consider this site immoral because it can be used to fool people. We will leave it up to each individual person to decide if he or she wants to participate in double spending.
3. Not sure what you mean by "i could send transactions to myself on your site for some reason? is this a bug?." If you mean that you can put the same bitcoin address for both the first transaction and second transaction then you are correct. This is not a bug, but rather an option. If you were to send both the first and second transactions of a double spend to the same address then it would appear that the destination address would be receiving double the amount of bitcoins. This is an option we make available to users.
4. You are correct that most casinos have added double spend protections to their web sites recently. As explained in the FAQ, profiting through double spending would probably only work against new gambling sites that have not anticipated or prepared for double spend situations.
The Hell man, if you are part of the bitcoin community who supports bitcoin, you will do this, this is really stupid. I just hope there will be no member of this forum and also a bitcoin enthusiast please do not support this kind of activity.
This is bad idea to help other people to learn how to double spend and scam someone that actually not a good habit..
It can be bad result for bitcoin users if you are let other people to use this just to scam someone..
The purposes of this are same getting the benefits of the fee and help to scam others But honestly still none trying to test this service and see if this is real or not.
Since its only 10k sat fee i think there are someone will try it and prove this site are useless and scam..
For now we will wait for other can sacrifice some their bitcoin just to prove but i hope they don't transact a big amount. .
It can be bad result for bitcoin users if you are let other people to use this just to scam someone..
The purposes of this are same getting the benefits of the fee and help to scam others But honestly still none trying to test this service and see if this is real or not.
Since its only 10k sat fee i think there are someone will try it and prove this site are useless and scam..
For now we will wait for other can sacrifice some their bitcoin just to prove but i hope they don't transact a big amount. .
The problem is that this service (unfortunately) is not a scam site. As long it conserns the service that they claim that they provide.
About the ethics/morality of it imo it's a disgrace for our community.
We came here for the better and not for the worse,these kind of "services" have no intension to promote and lift up BTC/crypto to people.
I know that a negative from me don't make something but i will do it. Afterall as Op said,it's up to us to judge if we want to fool others or to like something.
Well,i don't like this! Crystal clear!
Now this is what we need on Bitcointalk, to fool other Bitcoin users!
Indeed...
This is bad idea to help other people to learn how to double spend and scam someone that actually not a good habit..
It can be bad result for bitcoin users if you are let other people to use this just to scam someone..
The purposes of this are same getting the benefits of the fee and help to scam others But honestly still none trying to test this service and see if this is real or not.
Since its only 10k sat fee i think there are someone will try it and prove this site are useless and scam..
For now we will wait for other can sacrifice some their bitcoin just to prove but i hope they don't transact a big amount. .
It can be bad result for bitcoin users if you are let other people to use this just to scam someone..
The purposes of this are same getting the benefits of the fee and help to scam others But honestly still none trying to test this service and see if this is real or not.
Since its only 10k sat fee i think there are someone will try it and prove this site are useless and scam..
For now we will wait for other can sacrifice some their bitcoin just to prove but i hope they don't transact a big amount. .
Luan,
We don't have any kind of disclaimer like "this is for educational purposes only". We plainly state that our site is a tool for creating double spends and give suggestions regarding how double spends might be used to one's advantage. Apparently you did not look at our site very closely before giving your opinion.
Fire Rabbit,
When you say "I have heard a lot about bitcoin doubling sites that they are all scams" you might be thinking of "investment" sites that promise to double your money after a certain amount of time if you deposit it into the site's wallet. Our site is not a phony "investment" site, but rather a site that allows users to create double spends. It is up to the users themselves to find a way to benefit from double spends.
We can't guarantee double spends will work against any given casino. Edymola, who posted earlier, seems to have found a casino that is vulnerable. But he/she didn't specify which one. Another user posted earlier in this thread about notifying a certain casino of its vulnerability to double spends, and that casino has likely tightened up its policies on unconfirmed deposits.
If you want to test the functionality of the site you can always create a double spend where both transactions pay to different addresses in your own wallet. As far as finding a way to profit from double spends we offer some suggestions on our site, but can't offer guarantees of success against any particular site.
We don't have any kind of disclaimer like "this is for educational purposes only". We plainly state that our site is a tool for creating double spends and give suggestions regarding how double spends might be used to one's advantage. Apparently you did not look at our site very closely before giving your opinion.
Fire Rabbit,
When you say "I have heard a lot about bitcoin doubling sites that they are all scams" you might be thinking of "investment" sites that promise to double your money after a certain amount of time if you deposit it into the site's wallet. Our site is not a phony "investment" site, but rather a site that allows users to create double spends. It is up to the users themselves to find a way to benefit from double spends.
We can't guarantee double spends will work against any given casino. Edymola, who posted earlier, seems to have found a casino that is vulnerable. But he/she didn't specify which one. Another user posted earlier in this thread about notifying a certain casino of its vulnerability to double spends, and that casino has likely tightened up its policies on unconfirmed deposits.
If you want to test the functionality of the site you can always create a double spend where both transactions pay to different addresses in your own wallet. As far as finding a way to profit from double spends we offer some suggestions on our site, but can't offer guarantees of success against any particular site.
I have heard a lot about bitcoin doubling sites that they are all scams. Anyways I will try your site and see. So to try your site should I need to register in any gamblinhg site? If so can you pm me the url of the casino site where your tool works properly or I can choose any gambling site? After trying your site, I will write a detail review about your site here.
You know you guys are directly aiding people to scam other people and services, right?
These kinds of services aren't really helping anyone. What's the point of double spending a transaction anyway?
For sure you guys have something like "this is for educational purposes only", which actually translate to,
"this is a scam tool and highly illegal" like most hacks, cheats, and scams posted on the internet.
These kinds of services aren't really helping anyone. What's the point of double spending a transaction anyway?
For sure you guys have something like "this is for educational purposes only", which actually translate to,
"this is a scam tool and highly illegal" like most hacks, cheats, and scams posted on the internet.
Edymola,
Thanks for your feedback. I'm glad to hear you had some success using our site!
Thanks for your feedback. I'm glad to hear you had some success using our site!
I tried your "web tool" since that's what you call it. It may have done a double spend but i fail to see how i now have 'double" the bitcoins. What I did...
1. Sent 0.001 BTC to duckdice (since it's on your FAQ).
2. It let me bet my 0.001 before confirmation (hopes are high at this point)
3. Bet lost (big surprise...who heard of that casino...might be a scam casino)
4. Sent second transaction back to me; it confirmed in 10 mins
So now I have doubled my money? No, I have the same bitcoins I began with, minus 0.0001 BTC that your "tool" charges, and minus my transaction fee too.
Hardly feel rich now.
1. Sent 0.001 BTC to duckdice (since it's on your FAQ).
2. It let me bet my 0.001 before confirmation (hopes are high at this point)
3. Bet lost (big surprise...who heard of that casino...might be a scam casino)
4. Sent second transaction back to me; it confirmed in 10 mins
So now I have doubled my money? No, I have the same bitcoins I began with, minus 0.0001 BTC that your "tool" charges, and minus my transaction fee too.
Hardly feel rich now.
And what do you exped it's a fucking double tip url I have used it and it's works great you can beat 0.001 in some casinos for 0.0001 go to google and search double expend beacuse it whats this site does
and whereas glashunt cost 10% of 0.015 minimun which is 0.0015 this is 0.0001
throwawaytest8721,
Yesterday, a certain btc casino changed its instant deposit policies. Could this be because of your report? If you don't want to post the name of the casino in this thread could you send it to me privately?
Yesterday, a certain btc casino changed its instant deposit policies. Could this be because of your report? If you don't want to post the name of the casino in this thread could you send it to me privately?
A dice betting web site X by my testing was vulnerable to double spends (under 0.01 BTC)..I am white hat; I returned the funds and notified X of their vulnerability
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