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Topic: Announcing TimeScramble.com - FREE Bitcoin! (Read 3671 times)

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March 15, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
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Nevermind, it looks like I did it to my self by accident. I thought I deleted the private key from my wallet but I left it in and then spent it.

Bone head move, will try this again later.
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ROFL, the 1 bitcoin didn't survive until 10th March - http://blockchain.info/address/1QE1FUsBZ3PHW5KoZpdH5Gk18UhwvZj2yz
LOL. So the Amazon instance got rooted, or OP removed the coins. Not really reassuring for potential users I guess.

Since you clearly did not read what I have already said, there is no amazon instance to get rooted. It runs off of S3 and Cloudfront.

I am not sure how they bypassed cloudfront's signed uris but whoever managed to take the bitcoin early I will pay 5BTC if you explain how you did it.
legendary
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Away on an extended break
ROFL, the 1 bitcoin didn't survive until 10th March - http://blockchain.info/address/1QE1FUsBZ3PHW5KoZpdH5Gk18UhwvZj2yz
LOL. So the Amazon instance got rooted, or OP removed the coins. Not really reassuring for potential users I guess.
sr. member
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ROFL, the 1 bitcoin didn't survive until 10th March - http://blockchain.info/address/1QE1FUsBZ3PHW5KoZpdH5Gk18UhwvZj2yz
legendary
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Clearly you have not looked at how it works. I don't get anyones private keys and nobody sends me information. It is a read only time delayed archive. Like a time capsule.

I thought people here might be into this but damn this community is cynical.

Only the cynical survive in the Bitcoin milieu. And your project just basically shows that you've neglected to consider side-channel attacks. How is anybody knowledgeable in cryptography supposed to believe that the random-looking text on your page is actually random?

I'm very curious where this project is going. I expect to learn a new way of harvesting the unsuspecting users of cryptography once the final site will be deployed.
I am also looking for someone with enough knowledge of html and javascript to improve the appearance of my site, which is really not that pretty at the moment.
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I thought people here might be into this but damn this community is cynical.


Your version of this idea is a very cool one. I hope you continue with this line of thinking. And yes, this is a cynical community. We've been scammed, ripped off, lied to, cheated, deceived, burnt, gypped, swindled and bamboozled. And that was before Bitcoin was developed. Smiley

Take the constructive criticism seriously and just ignore the obvious trolls and rageroids.
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What it does is allow you to create a message today that cannot be read until a date in the future.
And of course you will be alive and continue to run the website for the next say 50 years?

The website is automated, it runs off S3 and Cloudfront. Yes, I intend to be alive in 50 years, but the project as it stands ends in 2031. It will continue to run without any maintenance at all.
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This is not about sending bitcoins into the future, it is about sending information into the future. I am just using bitcoins as a prize to get people to check it out.
What future? It is about sending information to Mr. TimeScramble. Mr. TimeScramble is in posession of special snake-oil that somehow obscures the information for the pre-selected amount of time.

Serve a subpoena on you or on Amazon and boom! instant travel to the future.

What is the point of this exercise? Besides the obvious: snagging the private keys from the unsuspecting public?

Clearly you have not looked at how it works. I don't get anyones private keys and nobody sends me information. It is a read only time delayed archive. Like a time capsule.

I thought people here might be into this but damn this community is cynical.
legendary
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Reverse engineer from time to time
What it does is allow you to create a message today that cannot be read until a date in the future.
And of course you will be alive and continue to run the website for the next say 50 years?
legendary
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This is not about sending bitcoins into the future, it is about sending information into the future. I am just using bitcoins as a prize to get people to check it out.
What future? It is about sending information to Mr. TimeScramble. Mr. TimeScramble is in posession of special snake-oil that somehow obscures the information for the pre-selected amount of time.

Serve a subpoena on you or on Amazon and boom! instant travel to the future.

What is the point of this exercise? Besides the obvious: snagging the private keys from the unsuspecting public?
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This is getting way off topic.

This is not about sending bitcoins into the future, it is about sending information into the future. I am just using bitcoins as a prize to get people to check it out.

sr. member
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Well, this stuff was discussed already a couple of times. It is my understanding that the consensus is that it would create more problems that it would solve. It creates a circular dependency: a transaction is valid/not-valid depending on the block in which it was included.
It was my impression that while building a block you use data from previous block as well (so you can build the new one "on top" of it). These data contains not only the block number but also a timestamp.
legendary
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Bitcoin is an opensource effort. If there is the real need for this functionality, it will be added.
Well, this stuff was discussed already a couple of times. It is my understanding that the consensus is that it would create more problems that it would solve. It creates a circular dependency: a transaction is valid/not-valid depending on the block in which it was included.
sr. member
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I don't think Bitcoin has an operator that pushes the blockchain height onto the stack. Could you briefly describe how would you implement that check?

Bitcoin is an opensource effort. If there is the real need for this functionality, it will be added.
legendary
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Also why would anyone want to use this to postpone some bitcoin transaction to future? You can create a transaction that checks current block number in its script and when it is higher than some particular number (which you are able to calculate) it will transfer funds from one address to another.
I don't think Bitcoin has an operator that pushes the blockchain height onto the stack. Could you briefly describe how would you implement that check?
legendary
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You can create a transaction that checks current block number in its script and when it is higher than some particular number (which you are able to calculate) it will transfer funds from one address to another.

I've heard about this, can you link me to more info? would appreciate it a lot.

I think he is talking about this https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script but I think it isn't enabled in any clients yet, the information about it is very rare.
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You can create a transaction that checks current block number in its script and when it is higher than some particular number (which you are able to calculate) it will transfer funds from one address to another.

I've heard about this, can you link me to more info? would appreciate it a lot.
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The idea is fine, but the implementation is bad, because it depends on system time of your Amazon instance I suppose. If I am an attacker and I gain root access on your machine, I can change the system time and reveal the secret.

Also why would anyone want to use this to postpone some bitcoin transaction to future? You can create a transaction that checks current block number in its script and when it is higher than some particular number (which you are able to calculate) it will transfer funds from one address to another.

There is no Amazon instance.

This using the Amazon Cloudfront CDN which allows uris with signed time restrictions. You would have to hack Amazon themselves. I have done as much as I could to make sure Amazon handled the security and uptime. Because I don't pay for an instance and host it off S3 and Cloudfront it is cheap and easy for me to keep this up for decades.

It was not invented for bitcoins, I am using bitcoins to promote it a bit by encoding the private key.
sr. member
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The idea is fine, but the implementation is bad, because it depends on system time of your Amazon instance I suppose. If I am an attacker and I gain root access on your machine, I can change the system time and reveal the secret.

Also why would anyone want to use this to postpone some bitcoin transaction to future? You can create a transaction that checks current block number in its script and when it is higher than some particular number (which you are able to calculate) it will transfer funds from one address to another.
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One use of this is that you could encode the private key to your savings for 1 year in the future and give it to a loved one. Then as the time approaches and you are still alive you can move the funds to another address and give your loved one a key scrambled for another year.

This way you can keep a fund available in case of accidental or unexpected demise.

You can also create a trust fund that will reveal fixed amounts as time passes.

It can be used for making a prediction that you don't want revealed until after the fact, or even a "By the time you have read this I will be gone" note.
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