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Topic: [ANN][POWR][UPDATE] *** POWER LEDGER TOKEN SALE STARTS FRIDAY 8TH SEPTEMBER *** - page 100. (Read 138900 times)

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Wow, PowerLedger is REALLY answering all the questions.... what an effort.
The next one yelling 'SCAM': I will gladly donate my tokens to send a few thousands Solar powered Volts through their brain Wink

Power ledger is not a scam. It is a great idea. The only problem was the structure of the ICO.
Ironically the poor structure may mean people can buy tokens very cheaply. I might even buy some.

It would have been better to see them raise more.
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The fact is few people are experts in ICO's many people on here think they are but have not run the whole thing, some may have been part of the bitcoin talk announcement or had some element to do with some development, yes they may have read about them and they may think they are experts but most of them make mistakes.
Please provide evidence of people who made mistakes. You guys are the only ones here who "made a mistake"

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Some of the choices can not be change which many of the trolls on this site do not understand that sometimes you have to stand by your decision.
When you are in a hole, stop digging, I'd say. All you excuses just make you look worse
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If this ICO was about greed then such anti whale measures would not have been put into place unlike so many ICO's that are bought out by just a few individuals
Name the ICO's that were bought by  "a few individuals". Go on name them, or retract your statement
Monetha for one, how do you think it sold out so quickly

Please provide evidence it went to a few individuals. Saying  " how do you think it sold out so quickly?" is not evidence.

Secondly that is only one, but you said "so many ICO's"
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The Power Ledger Ecosystem supports a growing number of energy trading applications. Some of the key classes of applications are listed below while the full list is available in our white paper, with some already operational, and others in advanced conceptual design or in development.


Yes a good idea. But the so called financial experts organising the ICO are not competent.  It's possible to work in finance for years and still be incompetent when you stray just even a little outside your field.

That is what happened here. They got greedy. they heard about big raisings in ICO's. They didn't follow what has been happening and deluded themsleves that they could raise a big amoumt with no hard cap. Fools.

A greedy fool looks at this space and says ..."wow Xtoken raised a lot with not cap...maybe we can do that".   Someone who actually had the slightest clue what has happened would have said ..."no hard cap was very controversial and the crypto community now views them very poorly...lets have hard cap"

Yes uncapped sales are generally seen as a bit of a no-no but the standards for best practice icos are evolving very quickly, and I think a lot of projects are struggling with striking a balance between offering a token structure which encourages investment and supports the backers, BUT also one that gives everyone who wants to contribute an opportunity to do so without being disappointed.

It is an unusual crowdsale structure, a new attempt at an innovation to try and strike that balance. Blending capped and uncapped elements in a 2 stage sale was an interesting thing to try and I still think in a more positive market it could have merit.

no doubt people will learn from it and debate the pros and cons just like any other. I think it's way too harsh to say it was all about greed. I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

the success of the project will ultimately be much more strongly driven by how well the team understands their product area (energy and markets) - much more so than best practice token sales. I still think on the strength of the idea, proven trials, and team's expertise this can prove a winner that will eventually dwarf the presale and likely mainsail price.



This ICO had greed written all over it. Anyone can see that. Their pre-sale price was 8.8 cents. This shows that they expected to raise $31m at the very minimum with even $50m being a possibility and all this for just 30% of the tokens which is like giving the investors a middle finger.

They saw that ICOs like Tezos and EOS were raising over $200m with ease and told themselves, why not do it ourselves too. They forgot that you need credibility to raise that much. Not any random Joe can publish a whitepaper and extract that kind of money from the public.

An uncapped ICO is always held for no reasons other than greed. Anyone saying otherwise is drinking the kool-aid. Every business has estimation of how much money they will require to achieve their goal and raise money accordingly. It can never be an unlimited amount of money which is what uncapped ICOs are all about.

Only thing I can say about Power Ledger is that it is at best a money grab and at worst an outright SCAM.

but I think that this can not be a scam. But the way they conducted the ICO really showed unprofessionalism. But only in the field of ICO. The main thing is that they understand their field
The fact is few people are experts in ICO's many people on here think they are but have not run the whole thing, some may have been part of the bitcoin talk announcement or had some element to do with some development, yes they may have read about them and they may think they are experts but most of them make mistakes.  Some of the choices can not be change which many of the trolls on this site do not understand that sometimes you have to stand by your decision.
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If this ICO was about greed then such anti whale measures would not have been put into place unlike so many ICO's that are bought out by just a few individuals
Name the ICO's that were bought by  "a few individuals". Go on name them, or retract your statement
Monetha for one, how do you think it sold out so quickly
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The Power Ledger Ecosystem supports a growing number of energy trading applications. Some of the key classes of applications are listed below while the full list is available in our white paper, with some already operational, and others in advanced conceptual design or in development.


Yes a good idea. But the so called financial experts organising the ICO are not competent.  It's possible to work in finance for years and still be incompetent when you stray just even a little outside your field.

That is what happened here. They got greedy. they heard about big raisings in ICO's. They didn't follow what has been happening and deluded themsleves that they could raise a big amoumt with no hard cap. Fools.

A greedy fool looks at this space and says ..."wow Xtoken raised a lot with not cap...maybe we can do that".   Someone who actually had the slightest clue what has happened would have said ..."no hard cap was very controversial and the crypto community now views them very poorly...lets have hard cap"

Yes uncapped sales are generally seen as a bit of a no-no but the standards for best practice icos are evolving very quickly, and I think a lot of projects are struggling with striking a balance between offering a token structure which encourages investment and supports the backers, BUT also one that gives everyone who wants to contribute an opportunity to do so without being disappointed.

It is an unusual crowdsale structure, a new attempt at an innovation to try and strike that balance. Blending capped and uncapped elements in a 2 stage sale was an interesting thing to try and I still think in a more positive market it could have merit.

no doubt people will learn from it and debate the pros and cons just like any other. I think it's way too harsh to say it was all about greed. I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

the success of the project will ultimately be much more strongly driven by how well the team understands their product area (energy and markets) - much more so than best practice token sales. I still think on the strength of the idea, proven trials, and team's expertise this can prove a winner that will eventually dwarf the presale and likely mainsail price.



This ICO had greed written all over it. Anyone can see that. Their pre-sale price was 8.8 cents. This shows that they expected to raise $31m at the very minimum with even $50m being a possibility and all this for just 30% of the tokens which is like giving the investors a middle finger.

They saw that ICOs like Tezos and EOS were raising over $200m with ease and told themselves, why not do it ourselves too. They forgot that you need credibility to raise that much. Not any random Joe can publish a whitepaper and extract that kind of money from the public.

An uncapped ICO is always held for no reasons other than greed. Anyone saying otherwise is drinking the kool-aid. Every business has estimation of how much money they will require to achieve their goal and raise money accordingly. It can never be an unlimited amount of money which is what uncapped ICOs are all about.

Only thing I can say about Power Ledger is that it is at best a money grab and at worst an outright SCAM.
If this ICO was about greed then such anti whale measures would not have been put into place unlike so many ICO's that are bought out by just a few individuals but it is about giving POWR to as many as possible.  perhaps the greed is yours as you may not make the money that you thought you might.  Either way this ICO is not about any of the things you are talking about

Can you please be a little less idiotic and quit shilling? Why do you think anyone is investing in this project? For charity? Everyone invests to make money, period. That is not what you call greed.

Anti-whale measures? Having uncapped ICO so that they can have all the money and leave nothing on the table for investors is an anti-whale measure?

You can twist the facts any way you like but this ICO is borderline scammy, that is the cold hard fact.
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The Power Ledger Ecosystem supports a growing number of energy trading applications. Some of the key classes of applications are listed below while the full list is available in our white paper, with some already operational, and others in advanced conceptual design or in development.


Yes a good idea. But the so called financial experts organising the ICO are not competent.  It's possible to work in finance for years and still be incompetent when you stray just even a little outside your field.

That is what happened here. They got greedy. they heard about big raisings in ICO's. They didn't follow what has been happening and deluded themsleves that they could raise a big amoumt with no hard cap. Fools.

A greedy fool looks at this space and says ..."wow Xtoken raised a lot with not cap...maybe we can do that".   Someone who actually had the slightest clue what has happened would have said ..."no hard cap was very controversial and the crypto community now views them very poorly...lets have hard cap"

Yes uncapped sales are generally seen as a bit of a no-no but the standards for best practice icos are evolving very quickly, and I think a lot of projects are struggling with striking a balance between offering a token structure which encourages investment and supports the backers, BUT also one that gives everyone who wants to contribute an opportunity to do so without being disappointed.

It is an unusual crowdsale structure, a new attempt at an innovation to try and strike that balance. Blending capped and uncapped elements in a 2 stage sale was an interesting thing to try and I still think in a more positive market it could have merit.

no doubt people will learn from it and debate the pros and cons just like any other. I think it's way too harsh to say it was all about greed. I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

the success of the project will ultimately be much more strongly driven by how well the team understands their product area (energy and markets) - much more so than best practice token sales. I still think on the strength of the idea, proven trials, and team's expertise this can prove a winner that will eventually dwarf the presale and likely mainsail price.



This ICO had greed written all over it. Anyone can see that. Their pre-sale price was 8.8 cents. This shows that they expected to raise $31m at the very minimum with even $50m being a possibility and all this for just 30% of the tokens which is like giving the investors a middle finger.

They saw that ICOs like Tezos and EOS were raising over $200m with ease and told themselves, why not do it ourselves too. They forgot that you need credibility to raise that much. Not any random Joe can publish a whitepaper and extract that kind of money from the public.

An uncapped ICO is always held for no reasons other than greed. Anyone saying otherwise is drinking the kool-aid. Every business has estimation of how much money they will require to achieve their goal and raise money accordingly. It can never be an unlimited amount of money which is what uncapped ICOs are all about.

Only thing I can say about Power Ledger is that it is at best a money grab and at worst an outright SCAM.
If this ICO was about greed then such anti whale measures would not have been put into place unlike so many ICO's that are bought out by just a few individuals but it is about giving POWR to as many as possible.  perhaps the greed is yours as you may not make the money that you thought you might.  Either way this ICO is not about any of the things you are talking about
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i isteresting this projec;
The Power Ledger Ecosystem supports a growing number of energy trading applications. Some of the key classes of applications are listed below while the full list is available in our white paper, with some already operational, and others in advanced conceptual design or in development.


Yes a good idea. But the so called financial experts organising the ICO are not competent.  It's possible to work in finance for years and still be incompetent when you stray just even a little outside your field.

That is what happened here. They got greedy. they heard about big raisings in ICO's. They didn't follow what has been happening and deluded themsleves that they could raise a big amoumt with no hard cap. Fools.

A greedy fool looks at this space and says ..."wow Xtoken raised a lot with not cap...maybe we can do that".   Someone who actually had the slightest clue what has happened would have said ..."no hard cap was very controversial and the crypto community now views them very poorly...lets have hard cap"
This ICO has got nothing to do with greed, or the years of experience in finance.  The team has over 20 years in the energy industry, years of experience in the blockchain industry, finance industry and much more.  Power Ledger is about the company not just Jemma Green so I think you need to focus on the bigger picture.  The company has decided to have a hard cap and have said from the start that this ICO would be gauged at market value.  It has three weeks left to go and the market will choose their own value. 

If this ICO was about greed then such anti whale measures would not have been put into place unlike so many ICO's that are bought out by just a few individuals
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The Power Ledger Ecosystem supports a growing number of energy trading applications. Some of the key classes of applications are listed below while the full list is available in our white paper, with some already operational, and others in advanced conceptual design or in development.


Yes a good idea. But the so called financial experts organising the ICO are not competent.  It's possible to work in finance for years and still be incompetent when you stray just even a little outside your field.

That is what happened here. They got greedy. they heard about big raisings in ICO's. They didn't follow what has been happening and deluded themsleves that they could raise a big amoumt with no hard cap. Fools.

A greedy fool looks at this space and says ..."wow Xtoken raised a lot with not cap...maybe we can do that".   Someone who actually had the slightest clue what has happened would have said ..."no hard cap was very controversial and the crypto community now views them very poorly...lets have hard cap"

Yes uncapped sales are generally seen as a bit of a no-no but the standards for best practice icos are evolving very quickly, and I think a lot of projects are struggling with striking a balance between offering a token structure which encourages investment and supports the backers, BUT also one that gives everyone who wants to contribute an opportunity to do so without being disappointed.

It is an unusual crowdsale structure, a new attempt at an innovation to try and strike that balance. Blending capped and uncapped elements in a 2 stage sale was an interesting thing to try and I still think in a more positive market it could have merit.

no doubt people will learn from it and debate the pros and cons just like any other. I think it's way too harsh to say it was all about greed. I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

the success of the project will ultimately be much more strongly driven by how well the team understands their product area (energy and markets) - much more so than best practice token sales. I still think on the strength of the idea, proven trials, and team's expertise this can prove a winner that will eventually dwarf the presale and likely mainsail price.



This ICO had greed written all over it. Anyone can see that. Their pre-sale price was 8.8 cents. This shows that they expected to raise $31m at the very minimum with even $50m being a possibility and all this for just 30% of the tokens which is like giving the investors a middle finger.

They saw that ICOs like Tezos and EOS were raising over $200m with ease and told themselves, why not do it ourselves too. They forgot that you need credibility to raise that much. Not any random Joe can publish a whitepaper and extract that kind of money from the public.

An uncapped ICO is always held for no reasons other than greed. Anyone saying otherwise is drinking the kool-aid. Every business has estimation of how much money they will require to achieve their goal and raise money accordingly. It can never be an unlimited amount of money which is what uncapped ICOs are all about.

Only thing I can say about Power Ledger is that it is at best a money grab and at worst an outright SCAM.

but I think that this can not be a scam. But the way they conducted the ICO really showed unprofessionalism. But only in the field of ICO. The main thing is that they understand their field
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The Power Ledger Ecosystem supports a growing number of energy trading applications. Some of the key classes of applications are listed below while the full list is available in our white paper, with some already operational, and others in advanced conceptual design or in development.


Yes a good idea. But the so called financial experts organising the ICO are not competent.  It's possible to work in finance for years and still be incompetent when you stray just even a little outside your field.

That is what happened here. They got greedy. they heard about big raisings in ICO's. They didn't follow what has been happening and deluded themsleves that they could raise a big amoumt with no hard cap. Fools.

A greedy fool looks at this space and says ..."wow Xtoken raised a lot with not cap...maybe we can do that".   Someone who actually had the slightest clue what has happened would have said ..."no hard cap was very controversial and the crypto community now views them very poorly...lets have hard cap"

Yes uncapped sales are generally seen as a bit of a no-no but the standards for best practice icos are evolving very quickly, and I think a lot of projects are struggling with striking a balance between offering a token structure which encourages investment and supports the backers, BUT also one that gives everyone who wants to contribute an opportunity to do so without being disappointed.

It is an unusual crowdsale structure, a new attempt at an innovation to try and strike that balance. Blending capped and uncapped elements in a 2 stage sale was an interesting thing to try and I still think in a more positive market it could have merit.

no doubt people will learn from it and debate the pros and cons just like any other. I think it's way too harsh to say it was all about greed. I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

the success of the project will ultimately be much more strongly driven by how well the team understands their product area (energy and markets) - much more so than best practice token sales. I still think on the strength of the idea, proven trials, and team's expertise this can prove a winner that will eventually dwarf the presale and likely mainsail price.



This ICO had greed written all over it. Anyone can see that. Their pre-sale price was 8.8 cents. This shows that they expected to raise $31m at the very minimum with even $50m being a possibility and all this for just 30% of the tokens which is like giving the investors a middle finger.

They saw that ICOs like Tezos and EOS were raising over $200m with ease and told themselves, why not do it ourselves too. They forgot that you need credibility to raise that much. Not any random Joe can publish a whitepaper and extract that kind of money from the public.

An uncapped ICO is always held for no reasons other than greed. Anyone saying otherwise is drinking the kool-aid. Every business has estimation of how much money they will require to achieve their goal and raise money accordingly. It can never be an unlimited amount of money which is what uncapped ICOs are all about.

Only thing I can say about Power Ledger is that it is at best a money grab and at worst an outright SCAM.
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Yes agree, many ICO's have sold out in minutes with just whales taking control and dumping onto the public demand afterwards. I think Power Ledger wants a wide token distribution. no caps are probably the best method of achieving this. depends on the community you are chasing. lots of crypto traders here just wanting to profit as soon as it hits the exchangers, so will critisize any ICO structure that doesnt fit their agenda.  I'm a project supporter and the long term holder of the token, so if it ends up good value I will buy more, happy days if it goes on sale I will back up the truck!. All tokens are being slaughtered right now on the market creating lots of oppportunities particularly in the ICO space. 
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The Power Ledger Ecosystem supports a growing number of energy trading applications. Some of the key classes of applications are listed below while the full list is available in our white paper, with some already operational, and others in advanced conceptual design or in development.


Yes a good idea. But the so called financial experts organising the ICO are not competent.  It's possible to work in finance for years and still be incompetent when you stray just even a little outside your field.

That is what happened here. They got greedy. they heard about big raisings in ICO's. They didn't follow what has been happening and deluded themsleves that they could raise a big amoumt with no hard cap. Fools.

A greedy fool looks at this space and says ..."wow Xtoken raised a lot with not cap...maybe we can do that".   Someone who actually had the slightest clue what has happened would have said ..."no hard cap was very controversial and the crypto community now views them very poorly...lets have hard cap"

Yes uncapped sales are generally seen as a bit of a no-no but the standards for best practice icos are evolving very quickly, and I think a lot of projects are struggling with striking a balance between offering a token structure which encourages investment and supports the backers, BUT also one that gives everyone who wants to contribute an opportunity to do so without being disappointed.

It is an unusual crowdsale structure, a new attempt at an innovation to try and strike that balance. Blending capped and uncapped elements in a 2 stage sale was an interesting thing to try and I still think in a more positive market it could have merit.

no doubt people will learn from it and debate the pros and cons just like any other. I think it's way too harsh to say it was all about greed. I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

the success of the project will ultimately be much more strongly driven by how well the team understands their product area (energy and markets) - much more so than best practice token sales. I still think on the strength of the idea, proven trials, and team's expertise this can prove a winner that will eventually dwarf the presale and likely mainsail price.

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The evidence is that uncapped offerings are bad for investors but possibly good for "management".

So what did they do?
The offered investors something that was pretty much guaranteed to be bad for them, whilst giving themselves the possibility of lining their own pockets by raising a lot. Why?

Everyone know that uncapped sales have not worked well for investors, so we must ask why did they do it?

Ironically they could end up raising so little that this coin ends up very cheap. 
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The market price determining the token value is an interesting one. But I think, market price is determined in $ for PL.
Right now, with cryptos taking another / continuing dive, they are not that great to invest, because once converted into $, your week-bonus is actually compensating low price index.
Is the crypto market currently working against the concept of market price determination? Would high price of cryptos vs fiat have generated more funding for PL? Any thoughts?

As others have pointed out, not having a hard cap was a very bad idea. You only have to look at the results, the evidence, of what has happened with coins with no hard cap. It is very clear why investors now want to avoid them. Add to this that investors hate uncertainty and you can see what happened.


Power ledger is a good idea with a lot going for it, but it looks like they shot themselves in the foot
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discussions about why they raised the discount for the first two weeks for those who ended up in the main sale? I personally did not understand this step
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I think I found new dump scam coin.




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The project is very good
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