Topic: [ANN][SAU] SatoriGold, The Virtual Gold Mining Coin | No Premine - page 2. (Read 1157 times)

Which is not entirely unfair, as I see it.
At any rate, most exchanges want not only fees, but also a good vision, mission statement, roadmap, something useful in the coin ecosystem, you name it.


Of those that deal with small-ish coins, Tradeogre comes to mind. Had solid experience with them this far.

While this works in a pinch, it is a temporary solution at best. What's worse, lack of a proper exchange hurts coin adoption.

I'm in no hurry, so happy to wait until it is listed somewhere else (and then some).

There is created in discord, the separate channel "#over-the-counter-market": https://discord.gg/t9XjDp
So, anyone, without any exchanges, there, throught "Private Messages",
can exchange the SatoriGold (SAU) for ANY CRYPTO and back,
But, no any warranty, and some users can be a scammers.
Therefore, it is recommended to process a large deals - by a small transactions.

Also, for bitcoin-based altcoins (where 2-3 multisig addresses is supporting),
there is possible to process the safe escrow-transactions with garant (which supporting the chargebacks).
In this case, there is possible to transfer altcoins, by "buyer" into the "2-3 multisig-address",
and noone can not spend that coins, and scam the another side.

Because, only 2 signatures from 3 is allow to spend the coins from that "2-3 multisig-address":
1. "buyer+seller" - if deal processed, "buyer" received the coins,
and signed the "seller"'s transaction from this "2-3 multisig-address", or give for "seller" his "buyer"'s private key.
In this case no need to ask "garant" to do something.
2. "seller+garant" - if "seller" sent his coins for "buyer", but "buyer"
did not sign the "seller"'s transaction from this "2-3 multisig-address",
or did not give for "seller", his "buyer"'s private key.
In this case, "garant" can sign the "seller"'s transaction from "2-3 multisig address",
or give his "garant"'s private key for "seller",
after verify the proofs, that "seller" did sucessfully sent the coins for "buyer".
3. "buyer+garant" - if buyer sent altcoins for "2-3 multisig-address", but did not receive nothing coins from "seller",
and "seller" is not responding a long-time, the "buyer" can turn back his coins, from "2-3 multisig-address",
after "garant" sign the transaction from this address,
or give for "buyer" his "garant"'s private-key,
to let "buyer"'s sign his transaction, himself.

But noone, alone, can not spend the coins from "2-3 multisig-address", no "buyer", no "seller", no "garant".

Sometimes, @username1565, in discord, can be a garant for the bitcoin-altcoins escrow-transactions,
or also, you can select any another garant for escrow-transactions (bitcoin/altcoin),
on this forums, who are online, and ready to process your deal.
Garants, you can select from this list: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-escrows-trade-safely-855778
or this list: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/escrow-5083258
Also, see their fees.

Maybe, for large cryptocurrencies, like bitcoin/litecoin/dash/etc...
there is already exists some online garant-services,
which allow to use escrow-transactions, AUTOMATICALLY.
But for another altcoins, it can be processed manually.

yes broken registration
so anyone cant buy and sell SAU

Amen to that. I wasn't able to register at spookyplanet because of the broken registration form.

need new exchange

Maybe, he wanted to say the following thing: in the future, you can make something, like https://localbitcoins.net,
but as an open-source DEX (Decentralized Exchange), where SatoriAUrum (SAU),
can be the main crypto-currency, instead of BTC, and which anyone can raise themself, on localhost,
and after make the port-forwarding, host this anywhere.
For example, on custom domain-name, by using DDNS-services, or on ".onion"-domain, in TOR Network,
after adding just two strings in "torrc" file, to configure the "HiddenServices".
This exchange, can be really decentralized.

But... As I said earlier, I think, to make the safely exchanges, without any scam-actions between users,
SAU, as protocol, must to support the 2-of-3 multisignatures escrow-transactions with garant,
to be able to make chargebacks, if exchange deal was been cancelled, but coins already sent.

Anyway, all this is a long-term ideas.
This can be realized just for fun, by entuziasts from SatoriCoin decentralized-community of the programmers and coders.
And noone are in no hurry, and we do not call someone for investing something to develop this ASAP.

Hi, and thanks for the input!! Unfortunately we already settled on SAU (Satori Xaurum).

Please join us on discord!!

i give you an idea - dex seems like localbitcoins.net but exchange in gold?

Need change announcement page

Hello.
What means "optimize" option, in the "./satwallet" ?
There is writted the following description: "Optimize your wallet to send large amounts".
As I understand, this just collect all unspent outputs with small amounts,
and concentrate this, into one large output, to run "send_all"-command, from this one output, right?

So, I just did try to "optimize" my kilogramms of SatoriGold, on the address of my wallet,
by using the option: "advanced" -> "optimize".
But I saw the following error: "Failed to send fusion transaction: Mixin count too big"

Then, I just sent all amount from my address to my address again, by using "send_all"-command,
and after 9 transfers, and after spent just 0.000090000 XAU,
this seems, like sucessfully optimized, and ready to "send_all" amount,
but I still have 9 unspend outputs, not one,
and maybe, I need to run the second round of "send_all",
or run the "optimize"-command, but later,
because now I have a some locked (still unconfirmed SatoriGolds), and wait the confirmations for this.
Sometimes, need to wait 25-minutes, or hour for one block, so it takes some time, but no problem.

UPD: After all confirmations, I see my balance by "balance"-command.
I did try to run "optimize", but I got again an error: "Failed to send fusion transaction: Mixin count too big".
Then, I did try to "send_all" to my address with MixIn = 0, and this action returned just one transaction.
Now, this seems, like ok, but...

Can you test this optimization, in your free time, just for fun, and fix that "MixIn-count"-error?
Maybe, there will be just enough to set MixIn = 0, or just fix something else.

P.S.: Also, maybe, need to rename the ticker in this thread, because this is quoted every time, with new post, as XAU.
SatoriCoin, maybe need to rename too, because some company, there is already exists in Japan: http://satoricoin.jp/
I think, for SAU, will be better the name SatoriAurum, which is corresponding with this ticker, and this is a free name.
Look at their, nice production, on satoricoin.jp ! This seems like a chips for casino.
Maybe, we can make something, like this, but for SAU, in future, hehheh.
Or just do the trading by using the paperwallets, or scratch-cards.

I just writted in the chat of https://yobit.net about SatoriCoin, but I do not think they can add SAU, because listing there is costs ~3 BTC,
and I do not see no one coin there, with POW-algo "cryptonight-turtle (cn-pico)".
So, if some miners want to get some another crypto, ASAP, they can just do mining this on http://zergpool.com/ ,
where is available autoswitching, multialgo, and multicoin mining.
All coins, tradable coins, can be exchanged, and after auto-exchange, there is possible to get a specified coin,
just by do mining the another coins, with higher mining-profitability.

Moreover, maybe, zergpool.com can add SatoriCoin (SAU), without any problems with compatibility,
just because I see some coins there, with another "cryptonignt"-based algorithms.

I think, right now, we can write for admins of all this exchanges: https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges
to add SatoriCoin (SAU), there, without buying any listings (yea, usually, they just ask BTC or USD for listings),
They can add this, just because SAU - HAVE NO PREMINE, and this have a very-very FAIR LAUNCH.
Also, maybe, there is possible to add SatoriCoin, as the ONE OF MAIN TICKERS,
like BTC/LTC/DOGE/SAU, on https://unnamed.exchange or https://yobit.net ,
and another exchanges, where many altcoins can be traded for MAIN-tickers.
This will have the more sense for all miners and traders, instead of try to do mining BTC/LTC/DOGE , or buy that overpriced and instamined WAVES.

In this case, SAU can be like XMR (Over 80% was been already mined),
on the all altcoins market, and this will be still mineable, and usable, within many-many years,
just because more then 51% of SatoriAurum (SAU), still not been pre-mined!!

Right now, all we can see here, something like this:

If altcoins market will growing and expanded, then, this SAU will be dissipated (including the long-term losses of seeds, too...),
and in the future, after long-time of real trading, 1 SAU can really have the value as 1kg gold.
Else, this will be just an another illiquid and not-usable coin,
which can be traded only for BTC, on one scam-exchange, and by few sats for each, without any trading volumes, and before delisting of this,
when market will not expanded.

But I know that a strong community is able to strengthen and raise this coin to the level of a worthy asset,
and maybe, even up to global asset, and strengthen the market positions of this!

Moreover, maybe, developers can do something, like a marketplace, or/and like an open-source https://localbitcoins.com/
to do decentralized buy/sell/exchange SAU, there, for fiat-currencies, or goods by using barter-exchange!!

Maybe, there is possible to use garant, to prevent some scam-actions, from anonymous users,
or maybe no need any garant, and the safely transfers (with chargebacks, if deal was been cancelled),
can possible by using multisignatures, which are already supporting by TurtleCoin-network.

Absolutely, pool-pay are very responsive and hope to have everything resolved quickly!! Thanks for letting me know!

Ok i got quite a lot of Feedback and most of you prefer for "SAU"

Yes many good options to be honest, i Like SAX and SCX!!!

Owwwh, it sounds very ambiguous.  

I like 3 chars ticker.
Because simpler, they are easy to understand and preferred by many people.

ticker example
SAU(Satori+XAU)
SAC(SAtori Coin)
STR(SaToRi)
SCG(SatoriCoinGold)
SAG(SAtoriGold)
SAX(SAtoriXau)
SCX(SatoriCoinXau)

STIX, seems, like free. It is easy to pronounce, but the meaning is ambiguous.
Maybe STIX means a "SaTori Internet/Innovation/Information XAU"?

What about just SAG (SAtori Gold)? This ticker is free, and have 3 chars, like BTC.
Also, SAG, this is a alive abbreviature: https://www.abbreviations.com/SAG
so many group of peoples can know about SAG, and wants this SAG, hehheh.