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Whether name dropping Peter Todd is right or wrong, or whether Shadowsend improves on anonymity or not, it doesn't matter, history for the last 3 months has proven everyone will hype it up for a few days, dump it, and move on to the next anon coin named Darkercoin, Shadecoin, Muddlecoin or Dark Sewer coin or whatever. The fact Vertcoin implemented stealth addresses and was snoozed on proves the whole thing is about manipulation behind the scenes because it wasn't "new" or "sexy" enough.

It is a rinse and repeat cycle, most people here do not really want anon because plenty of solutions offered in the past work as intended.

Anyway good job to the dev if he delivers something new tomorrow but I am afraid the work will all be for naught.

Did Vertcoin improve upon the existing SA technology or just implement it in it's existing form? Shadowcoin is creating a new protocol by improving upon the existing SA technology and combining it with one of the prime elements in the zerocash scheme - zk-SNARKs(https://eprint.iacr.org/2013/507.pdf). Both implementations creates an entirely new protocol (ShadowSend) and justifies a leading position in the market. AFAIK this is the first implementation of zk-SNARKs outside of the Zerocash project which still hasn't launched..

I'd have to disagree with you on your assessment of the anon crypto market. The only anon system being widely used in commerce is coinjoin and according to Kristov Atlas's research it offers a laughable level of privacy(http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com/). Financial privacy is one of the missing elements in the current financial industry both in crypto and fiat. The cheapest Swiss bank account costs $790,000USD to open.. plus you still won't get a higher level of privacy if you aren't a Swiss national and the same applies to Austrian accounts. If you think anon is a gimmick try selling that argument to the people saving millions a year on their taxes by using offshore Caymans/Swiss/Austrian accounts..

People who get in the ground floor or early levels of investment will go on to trade with the big players when the technology finds it's product/market-fit. The people that cash out early will stay in the lower investment bracket looking for quick pumps and dumps.

I have 2 swiss bank account. Paid 0 to open them Smiley

Are you an American Citizen?
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
Whether name dropping Peter Todd is right or wrong, or whether Shadowsend improves on anonymity or not, it doesn't matter, history for the last 3 months has proven everyone will hype it up for a few days, dump it, and move on to the next anon coin named Darkercoin, Shadecoin, Muddlecoin or Dark Sewer coin or whatever. The fact Vertcoin implemented stealth addresses and was snoozed on proves the whole thing is about manipulation behind the scenes because it wasn't "new" or "sexy" enough.

It is a rinse and repeat cycle, most people here do not really want anon because plenty of solutions offered in the past work as intended.

Anyway good job to the dev if he delivers something new tomorrow but I am afraid the work will all be for naught.

Did Vertcoin improve upon the existing SA technology or just implement it in it's existing form? Shadowcoin is creating a new protocol by improving upon the existing SA technology and combining it with one of the prime elements in the zerocash scheme - zk-SNARKs(https://eprint.iacr.org/2013/507.pdf). Both implementations creates an entirely new protocol (ShadowSend) and justifies a leading position in the market. AFAIK this is the first implementation of zk-SNARKs outside of the Zerocash project which still hasn't launched..

I'd have to disagree with you on your assessment of the anon crypto market. The only anon system being widely used in commerce is coinjoin and according to Kristov Atlas's research it offers a laughable level of privacy(http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com/). Financial privacy is one of the missing elements in the current financial industry both in crypto and fiat. The cheapest Swiss bank account costs $790,000USD to open.. plus you still won't get a higher level of privacy if you aren't a Swiss national and the same applies to Austrian accounts. If you think anon is a gimmick try selling that argument to the people saving millions a year on their taxes by using offshore Caymans/Swiss/Austrian accounts..

People who get in the ground floor or early levels of investment will go on to trade with the big players when the technology finds it's product/market-fit. The people that cash out early will stay in the lower investment bracket looking for quick pumps and dumps.

I have 2 swiss bank account. Paid 0 to open them Smiley
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Activity: 238
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Whether name dropping Peter Todd is right or wrong, or whether Shadowsend improves on anonymity or not, it doesn't matter, history for the last 3 months has proven everyone will hype it up for a few days, dump it, and move on to the next anon coin named Darkercoin, Shadecoin, Muddlecoin or Dark Sewer coin or whatever. The fact Vertcoin implemented stealth addresses and was snoozed on proves the whole thing is about manipulation behind the scenes because it wasn't "new" or "sexy" enough.

It is a rinse and repeat cycle, most people here do not really want anon because plenty of solutions offered in the past work as intended.

Anyway good job to the dev if he delivers something new tomorrow but I am afraid the work will all be for naught.

Did Vertcoin improve upon the existing SA technology or just implement it in it's existing form? Shadowcoin is creating a new protocol by improving upon the existing SA technology and combining it with one of the prime elements in the zerocash scheme - zk-SNARKs(https://eprint.iacr.org/2013/507.pdf). Both implementations creates an entirely new protocol (ShadowSend) and justifies a leading position in the market. AFAIK this is the first implementation of zk-SNARKs outside of the Zerocash project which still hasn't launched..

I'd have to disagree with you on your assessment of the anon crypto market. The only anon system being widely used in commerce is coinjoin and according to Kristov Atlas's research it offers a laughable level of privacy(http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com/). Financial privacy is one of the missing elements in the current financial industry both in crypto and fiat. The cheapest Swiss bank account costs $790,000USD to open.. plus you still won't get a higher level of privacy if you aren't a Swiss national and the same applies to Austrian accounts. If you think anon is a gimmick try selling that argument to the people saving millions a year on their taxes by using offshore Caymans/Swiss/Austrian accounts..

People who get in the ground floor or early levels of investment will go on to trade with the big players when the technology finds it's product/market-fit. The people that cash out early will stay in the lower investment bracket looking for quick pumps and dumps.
This could not have been said better...thanks!
sr. member
Activity: 350
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Whether name dropping Peter Todd is right or wrong, or whether Shadowsend improves on anonymity or not, it doesn't matter, history for the last 3 months has proven everyone will hype it up for a few days, dump it, and move on to the next anon coin named Darkercoin, Shadecoin, Muddlecoin or Dark Sewer coin or whatever. The fact Vertcoin implemented stealth addresses and was snoozed on proves the whole thing is about manipulation behind the scenes because it wasn't "new" or "sexy" enough.

It is a rinse and repeat cycle, most people here do not really want anon because plenty of solutions offered in the past work as intended.

Anyway good job to the dev if he delivers something new tomorrow but I am afraid the work will all be for naught.

Did Vertcoin improve upon the existing SA technology or just implement it in it's existing form? Shadowcoin is creating a new protocol by improving upon the existing SA technology and combining it with one of the prime elements in the zerocash scheme - zk-SNARKs(https://eprint.iacr.org/2013/507.pdf). Both implementations creates an entirely new protocol (ShadowSend) and justifies a leading position in the market. AFAIK this is the first implementation of zk-SNARKs outside of the Zerocash project which still hasn't launched..

I'd have to disagree with you on your assessment of the anon crypto market. The only anon system being widely used in commerce is coinjoin and according to Kristov Atlas's research it offers a laughable level of privacy(http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com/). Financial privacy is one of the missing elements in the current financial industry both in crypto and fiat. The cheapest Swiss bank account costs $790,000USD to open.. plus you still won't get a higher level of privacy if you aren't a Swiss national and the same applies to Austrian accounts. If you think anon is a gimmick try selling that argument to the people saving millions a year on their taxes by using offshore Caymans/Swiss/Austrian accounts..

People who get in the ground floor or early levels of investment will go on to trade with the big players when the technology finds it's product/market-fit. The people that cash out early will stay in the lower investment bracket looking for quick pumps and dumps.
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If you aren't comfortable ........
So I am going to be downloading the whole blockchain onto my phone and uploading data to other phones all day long?

If this is the case, R.I.P data plan and Battery Life.

Just use it when phone is plugged in + on wifi. Problem solved.
legendary
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So I am going to be downloading the whole blockchain onto my phone and uploading data to other phones all day long?

If this is the case, R.I.P data plan and Battery Life.
legendary
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So I am going to be downloading the whole blockchain onto my phone and uploading data to other phones all day long?
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Really good, it has been at the top.
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It's like why wouldn't you buy now. I guess if you love buying during a pump or at the top you can buy later. Then baghold all the way down. Then hangout with the vrc, cloak, xc, bc, cinni, super and all the other bagholders.

pumps need to b greased, always factor that in to your float.. hype needs your support
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If you aren't comfortable ........
It's like why wouldn't you buy now. I guess if you love buying during a pump or at the top you can buy later. Then baghold all the way down. Then hangout with the vrc, cloak, xc, bc, cinni, super and all the other bagholders.
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so is this a scampump or what? im looking to buy some SDC.

Someone convince me to buy SDC, explain it to me as if i am 5 years old.

Reason is simple: Rynomster is the dev and this is probably a total marketed coin.

Look at how they did the things.

1. Absolutly normal looking coin when the coin was released, kind of uninteresting so that nobody will care about, so you can mine the shit out of the coin.

2. Outstanding work. Screenshot provided. Rynomster do awesome things, he already showed us screenshot when he was developing for CINNI and he did deliver them. I don't think he wants his reputation damaged, or he'll need to hide to develop and create another account this time and never reveal he is Rynomster.

3. This was design to go HIGHER than 100k, all the parameters are done to have it up very fast. Those people wants a return on their investment.





well said.. now put your money where your mouth is and buy some more
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Activity: 238
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Whether name dropping Peter Todd is right or wrong, or whether Shadowsend improves on anonymity or not, it doesn't matter, history for the last 3 months has proven everyone will hype it up for a few days, dump it, and move on to the next anon coin named Darkercoin, Shadecoin, Muddlecoin or Dark Sewer coin or whatever. The fact Vertcoin implemented stealth addresses and was snoozed on proves the whole thing is about manipulation behind the scenes because it wasn't "new" or "sexy" enough.

It is a rinse and repeat cycle, most people here do not really want anon because plenty of solutions offered in the past work as intended.

Anyway good job to the dev if he delivers something new tomorrow but I am afraid the work will all be for naught.
There is no question if giving credit to the individual who came up with the idea is right or wrong. It is the only ethical way to proceed. There is just a bunch of immature posters with crypto-envy trying to cause trouble. Ask yourself this: why do they post here?
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less talk unless its to discuss details and inform future investors, for the love of coin, start buying ppl
legendary
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Whether name dropping Peter Todd is right or wrong, or whether Shadowsend improves on anonymity or not, it doesn't matter, history for the last 3 months has proven everyone will hype it up for a few days, dump it, and move on to the next anon coin named Darkercoin, Shadecoin, Muddlecoin or Dark Sewer coin or whatever. The fact Vertcoin implemented stealth addresses and was snoozed on proves the whole thing is about manipulation behind the scenes because it wasn't "new" or "sexy" enough.

It is a rinse and repeat cycle, most people here do not really want anon because plenty of solutions offered in the past work as intended.

Anyway good job to the dev if he delivers something new tomorrow but I am afraid the work will all be for naught.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1000
so is this a scampump or what? im looking to buy some SDC.

Someone convince me to buy SDC, explain it to me as if i am 5 years old.
sr. member
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So. Prominent use of Peter Todd's name to hype the coin. Did anyone check with him first?

For a coin that is supposed to be about anon, maybe respecting that sort of thing might be an idea?

Peter Todd is mentioned on the stealth address wiki http://sx.dyne.org/stealth.html. I'm not sure where you are trying to go with that statement. I don't think the coin needs hype the technology and hard work the devs are putting in is speaking for it.

Peter Todd's name is used repeatedly in the last dev "update".  Maybe the coin does not need the hype. Apparently the devs feel differently.

And my original point remains. Very bad form to use such a high profile name without consent.

Hmm, yeah I still don't see your point. The first mention is giving him credit, "Peter Todd (the original visionary of stealth addresses)" and the second is to thank him for his white paper contribution. One of the prime components for ShadowSend is a direct product of Peter Todd's work in the area.. maybe I'm missing something here..

So according to your logic, it is better to use someone's idea and then ask them permission to give them credit?

Seriously? Have you ever written any type of academic or scholarly paper (I'm guessing no)? Because if you use someone else's idea without citing them & giving them credit, that's called plagiarism. Same rules apply here.

Hahahahaha! Do you really believe such a thing as LAW matters in this altcoin world?
Apparently, it looks like hitting a man under the belt is 100% accepted, so there is no such things as honor or law in the crypto world.

No, more seriously, I'm sure he was giving Peter Todd some credit just because he admires the work. Nothing wrong to be seen there.
sr. member
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So. Prominent use of Peter Todd's name to hype the coin. Did anyone check with him first?

For a coin that is supposed to be about anon, maybe respecting that sort of thing might be an idea?

Peter Todd is mentioned on the stealth address wiki http://sx.dyne.org/stealth.html. I'm not sure where you are trying to go with that statement. I don't think the coin needs hype the technology and hard work the devs are putting in is speaking for it.

Peter Todd's name is used repeatedly in the last dev "update".  Maybe the coin does not need the hype. Apparently the devs feel differently.

And my original point remains. Very bad form to use such a high profile name without consent.

Hmm, yeah I still don't see your point. The first mention is giving him credit, "Peter Todd (the original visionary of stealth addresses)" and the second is to thank him for his white paper contribution. One of the prime components for ShadowSend is a direct product of Peter Todd's work in the area.. maybe I'm missing something here..

So according to your logic, it is better to use someone's idea and then ask them permission to give them credit?

Seriously? Have you ever written any type of academic or scholarly paper (I'm guessing no)? Because if you use someone else's idea without citing them & giving them credit, that's called plagiarism. Same rules apply here.

+1
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So. Prominent use of Peter Todd's name to hype the coin. Did anyone check with him first?

For a coin that is supposed to be about anon, maybe respecting that sort of thing might be an idea?

Peter Todd is mentioned on the stealth address wiki http://sx.dyne.org/stealth.html. I'm not sure where you are trying to go with that statement. I don't think the coin needs hype the technology and hard work the devs are putting in is speaking for it.

Peter Todd's name is used repeatedly in the last dev "update".  Maybe the coin does not need the hype. Apparently the devs feel differently.

And my original point remains. Very bad form to use such a high profile name without consent.


Hmm, yeah I still don't see your point. The first mention is giving him credit, "Peter Todd (the original visionary of stealth addresses)" and the second is to thank him for his white paper contribution. One of the prime components for ShadowSend is a direct product of Peter Todd's work in the area.. maybe I'm missing something here..

So according to your logic, it is better to use someone's idea and then ask them permission to give them credit?
What the hell is going on with these FUDers? PETER TODD's idea...credit given to PETER TODD...code sent to PETER TODD. Where do you FUDers think the credit and code should go if not to the guy that came up with the idea? Real bunch morons is absolutely correct.
sr. member
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So. Prominent use of Peter Todd's name to hype the coin. Did anyone check with him first?

For a coin that is supposed to be about anon, maybe respecting that sort of thing might be an idea?

Peter Todd is mentioned on the stealth address wiki http://sx.dyne.org/stealth.html. I'm not sure where you are trying to go with that statement. I don't think the coin needs hype the technology and hard work the devs are putting in is speaking for it.

Peter Todd's name is used repeatedly in the last dev "update".  Maybe the coin does not need the hype. Apparently the devs feel differently.

And my original point remains. Very bad form to use such a high profile name without consent.

Hmm, yeah I still don't see your point. The first mention is giving him credit, "Peter Todd (the original visionary of stealth addresses)" and the second is to thank him for his white paper contribution. One of the prime components for ShadowSend is a direct product of Peter Todd's work in the area.. maybe I'm missing something here..

So according to your logic, it is better to use someone's idea and then ask them permission to give them credit?

Seriously? Have you ever written any type of academic or scholarly paper (I'm guessing no)? Because if you use someone else's idea without citing them & giving them credit, that's called plagiarism.

Are you claiming there are no un-credited ideas used in this coin? 

Look, the first thing I thought when seeing Peter Todd's name used twice in the update was that they were trying to benefit a little from his current star status.

I'm completely neutral about this coin and that's how it looked to me.  I'm sure it did to others too. It's not really something you can debate away.
sr. member
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So. Prominent use of Peter Todd's name to hype the coin. Did anyone check with him first?

For a coin that is supposed to be about anon, maybe respecting that sort of thing might be an idea?

Peter Todd is mentioned on the stealth address wiki http://sx.dyne.org/stealth.html. I'm not sure where you are trying to go with that statement. I don't think the coin needs hype the technology and hard work the devs are putting in is speaking for it.

Peter Todd's name is used repeatedly in the last dev "update".  Maybe the coin does not need the hype. Apparently the devs feel differently.

And my original point remains. Very bad form to use such a high profile name without consent.

Hmm, yeah I still don't see your point. The first mention is giving him credit, "Peter Todd (the original visionary of stealth addresses)" and the second is to thank him for his white paper contribution. One of the prime components for ShadowSend is a direct product of Peter Todd's work in the area.. maybe I'm missing something here..

So according to your logic, it is better to use someone's idea and then ask them permission to give them credit?

Seriously? Have you ever written any type of academic or scholarly paper (I'm guessing no)? Because if you use someone else's idea without citing them & giving them credit, that's called plagiarism. Same rules apply here.
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