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March 29, 2018, 01:26:55 AM
There is a snapshot in April 1st. How is the ETH air drop ratio not yet announced, is it worth participating in?

of course it is worth,
if you have 100 ETH on your wallet or more than that.
but if you have less than 100 ETH on your wallet,i do not think so.
because i believe the ratio will be lower than 1:2(around that point i believe,but no more than that should be).
they said(@mdodong) they will announce it before 1st april,so take it easy.
we still have a few days before the snapshot guys.
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March 29, 2018, 01:00:25 AM
There is a snapshot in April 1st. How is the ETH air drop ratio not yet announced, is it worth participating in?
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March 28, 2018, 08:08:07 PM
I have some ETH and am very happy to know about this airdrop. I hope to receive Semux and wait for the rules to be announced.

i want to take part in this great project too ,i havnt eth right now ,but if dev public the ratio ,i will buy some eths from market .
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March 28, 2018, 08:01:01 PM
I have some ETH and am very happy to know about this airdrop. I hope to receive Semux and wait for the rules to be announced.
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March 28, 2018, 07:15:02 PM
do not you think it would be better this way ?
what i mean is the dev team will not say a thing before the snapshot and after the snapshot they will tell us the rule.
it could prevent others to abuse this airdrop.
so it will be distributed fairly to every holders(legit holders).
in conclusion,let them take their time.they should know what is the best for their project.
at least some of them kept active on here and discord.
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March 28, 2018, 06:59:51 PM
That's because the information hasn't been made public yet and probably for good reason.  Most specifically because of what monsanto just pointed out in that people was split up their ETH into multiple addresses simply to take advantage of the distribution.
I think that you're probably right. But I'm pretty sure some users already splitted their ethers among several addresses in the hope of receiving more coins.

Without knowing the rules of the drop, they might actually lose out.
If there is a minimum amount and they no longer have it.



I would like to add a few wise words : "Something is better than nothing".
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March 28, 2018, 04:35:35 PM
That's because the information hasn't been made public yet and probably for good reason.  Most specifically because of what monsanto just pointed out in that people was split up their ETH into multiple addresses simply to take advantage of the distribution.
I think that you're probably right. But I'm pretty sure some users already splitted their ethers among several addresses in the hope of receiving more coins.

Without knowing the rules of the drop, they might actually lose out.
If there is a minimum amount and they no longer have it.

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March 28, 2018, 03:53:18 PM
That's because the information hasn't been made public yet and probably for good reason.  Most specifically because of what monsanto just pointed out in that people was split up their ETH into multiple addresses simply to take advantage of the distribution.
I think that you're probably right. But I'm pretty sure some users already splitted their ethers among several addresses in the hope of receiving more coins.
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March 28, 2018, 03:34:09 PM

Good breakdown, and it gets even more complicated with large amounts of votes since you could split them up in various ways for optimum payouts. Is the the "first 56" positions because the validator rewards are still skewed to benefit the higher positioned validators?



Keep in mind that BTC holders didn't know of the airdrop and I believe the snapshot was taken before the drop was announced.  So, no manipulation could be done and if it was, it took a lot of money to make it happen.  Dropping to ETH on the same ratio and having given advanced notice means manipulation will take place at a far cheaper cost.
 

Do we know that BTC holders were not notified ahead of time? I thought people had specifically spread out BTC in addresses for optimum claims... although maybe they had just been lucky enough to have it that way. What details were known before BTC airdrop? 


Agreed.   Validator rewards are 3 sem per block.  Validator selection bug is still in effect, until the next update slated for release within two weeks (from what I've been told).

I don't know the dates specifically between the notification and the airdrop snapshot.  I'm still looking.
I think you would agree that an airdrop to ETH will not increase the user base very much at all since it's likely that most ETH holders are BTC holders as well.  Sure, a lot more SEM will be distributed, but not to a much bigger audience than always existing.
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March 28, 2018, 03:08:22 PM


Hello everybody

excuse me if this question was asked before...

How many ETH do I have to have in my wallet to receive Semux?

Thank you
I've asked this question before. There is no information of the minimum cap as i know.
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..like bright metal on a sullen ground.
March 28, 2018, 12:07:12 PM
If I vote for a pool with 100,000 votes and a fee of 15% I get anyway more than voting for a pool with 80,000 votes and 0% fee. Is that correct?

No.

Let's say you have 10,000 votes of your own and to round and make it easy........
If you vote for a pool with a now total of 100,000 votes with a fee of 15%  then you get (about)  100 sem per day / 10% of votes - 15% fee =  8.5 sem
(Basically a pool gets about 100 sem per day and you would be 10% of them = 10 sem, but pool charges 15%, so you get about 8.5 of those.)

Let's say you have 10,000 votes of your own and to round and make it easy........
If you vote for a pool with a now total of 80,000 votes with a fee of 0%  then you get (about)  100 sem per day / 12.5% of votes - 0% fee =  12.5 sem

I think you were trying to figure out something more like....
At what point is it better to take your 10,000 votes to a pool charging a lower fee than a pool charging a high fee.
Most people don't think about it and simply vote for pools with a low fee.

Not a simple answer since there is going to be a curve in that you want the lowest fee while supporting the highest percentage of votes.  (0% fee / 100% votes)
So, it's best to own your own validator if you have enough votes while charging yourself a 0% fee.

With (for the example) 10,000 votes, it best to find a low fee (still relatively the most important - currently), while getting into a pool which barely has enough votes to be a validator (like within the top 100 (easy), but better within the first 56 (like being in position 55).

People voting for pool in position 1 are making less than those in position 55 since they have to share the block rewards with far more people even if the pool in 55 charges a higher fee than that of position 1.



Good breakdown, and it gets even more complicated with large amounts of votes since you could split them up in various ways for optimum payouts. Is the the "first 56" positions because the validator rewards are still skewed to benefit the higher positioned validators?



Keep in mind that BTC holders didn't know of the airdrop and I believe the snapshot was taken before the drop was announced.  So, no manipulation could be done and if it was, it took a lot of money to make it happen.  Dropping to ETH on the same ratio and having given advanced notice means manipulation will take place at a far cheaper cost.
 

Do we know that BTC holders were not notified ahead of time? I thought people had specifically spread out BTC in addresses for optimum claims... although maybe they had just been lucky enough to have it that way. What details were known before BTC airdrop? 



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March 28, 2018, 11:52:07 AM


Hello everybody

excuse me if this question was asked before...

How many ETH do I have to have in my wallet to receive Semux?

Thank you
legendary
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March 28, 2018, 08:55:21 AM
[quote author=Michail1 link=topic=2159012.msg33320643#msg33320643 date=1522186420
I think different from yours. You can not compare the reward of 2 airdrop or use the ratio of BTC holder to apply for ETH, because they are different from each other. Just simply thinking that the next airdrop (ETH holder) is really the distribution of the remaining Semux coins.
One of the most considerable debate that we should concerned for is how many Ethers in our balance that fulfilled for participating requirement.

Well, based on your thinking, then why not simply distribute a 1:1 for Doge owners.  That would get rid of every remaining SEM, and you could just buy 100,000 Doge for $1.
Wouldn't it be nice to get $200,000 worth of SEM by buying $1 worth of Doge?

Keep in mind that BTC holders didn't know of the airdrop and I believe the snapshot was taken before the drop was announced.  So, no manipulation could be done and if it was, it took a lot of money to make it happen.  Dropping to ETH on the same ratio and having given advanced notice means manipulation will take place at a far cheaper cost.

No, I absolutely believe a fair ratio needs to be established, and I am certain it would be.  I do not believe the goal is to dump the value of the coin by raining to holders of a less valuable coin.  It should be distributed to people with more skin in the game than simply a 1:1 for a $1 worth of Doge or any other sub valued alt like bitcconnect, ripple, lumen, etc.  (Yes, I realize my example took your statement to the extreme, but without any skin in the game (crypto), it would kill the project immediately.)

At this point, I haven't sold a single SEM and in fact bought a bunch more.  I've even given it away AND burned a few thousand to start Deligates.
If ETH is set to 1:1, then I hope enough time is given so that I could dump mine.
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March 28, 2018, 08:28:23 AM

If BTC:SEM was 1:20  (about $500 to 1 sem)


Actually it was better. Addresses with far less than 1 btc got 20 sem too. If you had 1 btc spread out in 10 addresses you got 200 sem.

But while 1 full btc was not trivial to get for many people, holding 1 eth is a lot easier and will probably be the minimum amount to claim sem

Really??? just with 1 BTC or 1 ETH, we can transfer into each other between our addresses after signing the message? 😨 Someone has experienced on the previous airdrop for BTC holders, could share something for everyone?
not really ! just waitting for dev to announce the exactly ratio ,Definitely stay tuned for more details!
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March 28, 2018, 08:10:00 AM

If BTC:SEM was 1:20  (about $500 to 1 sem)


Actually it was better. Addresses with far less than 1 btc got 20 sem too. If you had 1 btc spread out in 10 addresses you got 200 sem.

But while 1 full btc was not trivial to get for many people, holding 1 eth is a lot easier and will probably be the minimum amount to claim sem

Really??? just with 1 BTC or 1 ETH, we can transfer into each other between our addresses after signing the message? 😨 Someone has experienced on the previous airdrop for BTC holders, could share something for everyone?
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March 28, 2018, 06:01:50 AM

If BTC:SEM was 1:20  (about $500 to 1 sem)


Actually it was better. Addresses with far less than 1 btc got 20 sem too. If you had 1 btc spread out in 10 addresses you got 200 sem.

But while 1 full btc was not trivial to get for many people, holding 1 eth is a lot easier and will probably be the minimum amount to claim sem

This time Semux team could consider airdrop proportional to holdings, possibly with a minimum and maximum ETH balance to avoid large wallets to get majority.
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March 28, 2018, 05:50:12 AM

If BTC:SEM was 1:20  (about $500 to 1 sem)


Actually it was better. Addresses with far less than 1 btc got 20 sem too. If you had 1 btc spread out in 10 addresses you got 200 sem.

But while 1 full btc was not trivial to get for many people, holding 1 eth is a lot easier and will probably be the minimum amount to claim sem
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March 28, 2018, 05:15:32 AM

the ratio will be 1 : 17/18 (mathematically).
so if they were airdroping 20 SEM for every 1BTC that we held,in the future we should get more or less around 3 SEM for every ETH that we hold.
(it might be wrong,but should not be far from it).
we still have a time until 1 April,
so no need to rush and wait for more confirmation regarding this airdrop and make a proper strategy.

I agree with you except for the estimated eth to sem drop.

If BTC:SEM was 1:20  (about $500 to 1 sem)
and
BTC:ETH is 1:18   (close enough to a 1:20)
then why would the airdrop to ETH holders get a 1:3 ?
<$500 to 3 sem

That's rewarding ETH holders a 3 times ratio than that of BTC holders.

I don't care one way or the other for BTC/ETH, but I think it should be closer to a fair distribution.   And, considering that many BTC holders didn't know the snapshot was going to take place while ETH holders know up front means far more people will now dump BTC (and alts) just to get ETH to get the airdrop and then dump back to BTC (or other) and also likely dump the SEM as well whereas BTC holders didn't have that opportunity.

Basically, I think the manipulation will have far bigger implications on SEM value now and not simply because of ETH holders or manipulators getting ETH simply for the SEM dump.

I think different from yours. You can not compare the reward of 2 airdrop or use the ratio of BTC holder to apply for ETH, because they are different from each other. Just simply thinking that the next airdrop (ETH holder) is really the distribution of the remaining Semux coins.
One of the most considerable debate that we should concerned for is how many Ethers in our balance that fulfilled for participating requirement.
sr. member
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March 28, 2018, 04:43:02 AM
When does a new round of semux airdrop start? This new ring of reward activity is worth looking forward to
They will take a snapshot at 0:00 AM UTC, April 1 and and will begin to distribute on April 8. Of course, it is worth the wait, we only need ETH to be able to receive Semux.
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March 27, 2018, 09:30:23 PM
with a long term project like semux it make sense to have a large premine to sustain the project since there was no ICO to fuel the long term road map

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