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Topic: [ANN][slock.it][Company] IoT meets blockchain - A TheDAO proposal - page 10. (Read 66180 times)

legendary
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Any marketing bounty??  Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh

Pay 2 ETH and make your proposal. The DAO may decide to pay someone for marketing. It may be a tough sell though. You'll need to get a quorum of 20% to at lease vote on the proposal and there seems to be a good deal of voting apathy ATM.
sr. member
Activity: 360
Merit: 250
Any marketing bounty??  Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh
newbie
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Merit: 0
legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
Interesting. And at the POS switch, they are going to greatly cut the emission down from 17 million a year to, I forget the number, is it 2 million a year or ?

Thanks in advance,
IAS

I don't think they've settled it yet.
legendary
Activity: 1568
Merit: 1000
i await to be pleasantly surprised, but this experiment in crowd investing has so much potential to become a complete disaster - The DAO and 'only invest what you can afford to lose' were made for each other.

You really can't lose that much if you split, that is if you were a long term ETH holder. If you bought ETH specially to get into the DAO at these prices (even at 1-100 ratio) then there's a chance Ethereum goes back to $5 or even less in the next months but that's the only real risk.

I personally think that ETH price will have ups & downs but it will eventually hit the $20-25 range. Maybe even this year or early 2017.

how many ETH will there be this time next year? pushing 95 million?

I'm really not sure how many ETH will be mined or created in the next 5 years, but considering that there can be 300-500 million for example and the DAO will have less than a billion (some tokens will be burned/split) there's a chance they will appreciate in value. Of course that will depend on the investments and proposals approved.
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1000
Antifragile
how many ETH will there be this time next year? pushing 95 million?

At present, it's 80.57 million. Mining emission's 5 per 17 seconds, from what I saw in a comment; I'm not sure how to account for uncle rewards.

https://etherscan.io/stats/supply

The initial release was on July 30th of last year. Assuming that mining started that same day, there've been ~8.2 million block rewards and ~0.44 million uncle rewards for a total of ~8.64 million additional ether over ten months. From what I've been able to dig up, PoS will begin "before November 1st 2017."

So...your question depends upon your timeframe. Using a very basic/choppy division of the above stats gives an increase of - roughly - less than 900,000 new ethers per month. I chop-rounded upwards to give you a prudent figure to work with. Using these choppy calcs, the supply should be somewhere near 95 million in about 16 or 17 months - which is the timeframe in which PoS is scheduled to start.

Best I can do. Smiley

Interesting. And at the POS switch, they are going to greatly cut the emission down from 17 million a year to, I forget the number, is it 2 million a year or ?

Thanks in advance,
IAS
legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
how many ETH will there be this time next year? pushing 95 million?

At present, it's 80.57 million. Mining emission's 5 per 17 seconds, from what I saw in a comment; I'm not sure how to account for uncle rewards.

https://etherscan.io/stats/supply

The initial release was on July 30th of last year. Assuming that mining started that same day, there've been ~8.2 million block rewards and ~0.44 million uncle rewards for a total of ~8.64 million additional ether over ten months. From what I've been able to dig up, PoS will begin "before November 1st 2017."

So...your question depends upon your timeframe. Using a very basic/choppy division of the above stats gives an increase of - roughly - less than 900,000 new ethers per month. I chop-rounded upwards to give you a prudent figure to work with. Using these choppy calcs, the supply should be somewhere near 95 million in about 16 or 17 months - which is the timeframe in which PoS is scheduled to start.

Best I can do. Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
i await to be pleasantly surprised, but this experiment in crowd investing has so much potential to become a complete disaster - The DAO and 'only invest what you can afford to lose' were made for each other.

You really can't lose that much if you split, that is if you were a long term ETH holder. If you bought ETH specially to get into the DAO at these prices (even at 1-100 ratio) then there's a chance Ethereum goes back to $5 or even less in the next months but that's the only real risk.

I personally think that ETH price will have ups & downs but it will eventually hit the $20-25 range. Maybe even this year or early 2017.

how many ETH will there be this time next year? pushing 95 million?
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
Maybe DAO can learn from WBB/1EX?
 Grin
legendary
Activity: 1568
Merit: 1000
i await to be pleasantly surprised, but this experiment in crowd investing has so much potential to become a complete disaster - The DAO and 'only invest what you can afford to lose' were made for each other.

You really can't lose that much if you split, that is if you were a long term ETH holder. If you bought ETH specially to get into the DAO at these prices (even at 1-100 ratio) then there's a chance Ethereum goes back to $5 or even less in the next months but that's the only real risk.

I personally think that ETH price will have ups & downs but it will eventually hit the $20-25 range. Maybe even this year or early 2017.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
i'm awaiting the Lambocoin ICO announcement. it has to come  Grin
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1041
i did bought few thinking i can earn quickly by dumping but never have i seen people keeping DAOs quite tight.
and so I also kept mine. if someday it will be huge, I probably would buy my lambo as well.
hero member
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Merit: 500
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Is the SlockIt voting already happening ? Anybody know where I can find info/ updates about this ?
As far as I know it's  a main source.
https://forum.daohub.org/latest
sr. member
Activity: 413
Merit: 250
Is the SlockIt voting already happening ? Anybody know where I can find info/ updates about this ?
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
i await to be pleasantly surprised, but this experiment in crowd investing has so much potential to become a complete disaster - The DAO and 'only invest what you can afford to lose' were made for each other.
member
Activity: 76
Merit: 10
when will dao go to the moon?is it failed?the price is… Roll Eyes Lips sealed
hero member
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i just still do not go along with the idea that great funding decisions are made by crowd consensus.

the contrarian thinker makes the big wins. The DAO seems fundamentally flawed. it is herding at its worst.


DAO is attempting  to be the next level in society economics evolution what is hard to rap your mind around.
I don’t believe in a crowd wisdom but I know that in surviving game the species who organize themselves usually are  the winners.
Whole DAO idea is very futuristic-imagine, to whom government would send a bill or fine-they definitely are not going to be happy about that .But I also think they will not be able to stop block chain evolution.
   There can be a lot of possible theories and profit incentives for creating it .Some say it can be a scam but noticing what kind of  people  are within this  newly created space it can't be  just a “"simple" “ scam.  Even if it’s so –it’s a massive one and you can profit anyway Smiley .
However what I  like  most is that DAO brings  revolutionary challenge to society.   
For me it’s a big gamble and I invested in it just for this very reason-it can be a very big success or very big failure. 


I find this to be the best breakdown thus far for this DAO project.  This is not your everyday same coin like most crap we see on markets.  Will take time to see where the developments end up with it, thusly where the price goes (who the heck knows)....different take on it.  Hopefully becomes success and not another dead crapcoin.  For now at least I'm more safe in something like WBB who has real development done and releases soon for all in public. Smiley - actual results which is nice.

In whole context the phrase "follow the money" brings a different light to me.
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDao/comments/4ljzic/can_the_split_dao_reward_token_mechanism_be/d3ociic

"Let me try to frame the problem now in an abstract fashion. I may be totally wrong in this analysis, but hope this produces a useful conversation for the DAO community:

"The measurement of 'investment done by a DAO' as the 'outflow of funds from the main DAO contract' might be bound to be fraught by troubles. If this is indeed what the DAO 1.0 framework does, then it will reflect itself in a wide range of attacks / community fights when DAOs split

Some examples:

    1) Not every investment is revenue generating; some are maintenance oriented:

    Examine the Slock IT security proposal and one realises that if the DAO accepts it, then it is not producing a 'return generating asset'. It is producing a 'maintenance cost' for the DAO. Hedge funds and VC firms have a distinction between 'maintenance costs' (cost to analyse investments, maintain funds, communicate with LPs etc. and 'actual investments that can produce returns' (for example an investment in Uber). Hedge funds and VC firms logically strive to minimise 'maintenance costs' and maximise 'actual investments that can produce returns'.

    The current method of DAO accounting lumps 'maintenance costs' and 'actual investments that can produce returns' into just one bucket i.e. 'investments'. This is fine as long as the DAO has never been split.

    If the DAO splits, the child DAO obviously will not want to treat the maintenance costs of the parent DAO as 'investments' made by the parent DAO. They will want their own reward tokens to be diluted only when the parent DAO makes 'actual investments that can produce returns'. After all, why should the child subsidise the the maintenance costs of the parent when it has split?

    I see no mechanism making this distinction between 'maintenance cost' and 'actual investments that can produce returns' in Framework 1.0.

    2) The firing and rehiring of contractors:

    The DAO framework explicitly encourages the firing and re-hiring of contractors incase quality of work produced is sub-par, ether volatility changes project economics etc.

    So, assume the DAO commits 1 million ether to a contract today. This is the first and only investment it has done. Reward tokens corresponding to these million ether are generated (106 * 1018). Now, the DAO splits and the childDAO must receive 40% of rewards from the contract and the parent 60%. The contractor spends 0.1 million ether and then is fired returning 0.9 mil ether back to the parentDAO. The parent then renegotiates the same contract for 0.1 million ether but with a different address controlled by the same contractor (maybe the price of ether has jumped 10x). How does the reward token managed account upgrade to reflect the new reality? Who gives it this new information?"

legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
i just still do not go along with the idea that great funding decisions are made by crowd consensus.

the contrarian thinker makes the big wins. The DAO seems fundamentally flawed. it is herding at its worst.


DAO is attempting  to be the next level in society economics evolution what is hard to rap your mind around.
I don’t believe in a crowd wisdom but I know that in surviving game the species who organize themselves usually are  the winners.
Whole DAO idea is very futuristic-imagine, to whom government would send a bill or fine-they definitely are not going to be happy about that .But I also think they will not be able to stop block chain evolution.
   There can be a lot of possible theories and profit incentives for creating it .Some say it can be a scam but noticing what kind of  people  are within this  newly created space it can't be  just a “"simple" “ scam.  Even if it’s so –it’s a massive one and you can profit anyway Smiley .
However what I  like  most is that DAO brings  revolutionary challenge to society.   
For me it’s a big gamble and I invested in it just for this very reason-it can be a very big success or very big failure. 


I find this to be the best breakdown thus far for this DAO project.  This is not your everyday same coin like most crap we see on markets.  Will take time to see where the developments end up with it, thusly where the price goes (who the heck knows)....different take on it.  Hopefully becomes success and not another dead crapcoin.  For now at least I'm more safe in something like WBB who has real development done and releases soon for all in public. Smiley - actual results which is nice.
legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
it's certainly a brave new world experiment. i'll be watching it closely...from the outside. i'm expecting lessons to be learned and the next generation of DAO project to get it right.

A bet on a more-or-less motivated crowd...it's certainly one to watch. 'Twasn't all that long ago that the wisdom-of-crowds in its entirety was scoffed at. Who knows how far crowd-wisdom can be pushed?

I think one weak point will be found with The DAO specifically, in that it was open to all more-or-less motivated comers. That weakness will not be duplicated in a DAO that assembles a more focused crowd. What about (say) a shop that crowdfunds using a DAO whose equity is only adverted to its employees and regular customers? This kind of crowd is more focused. Think of the shops you shop at. If you had funds tied up in a DAO focused on the shop, for buying new investor and/or expanding, would you keep your eye peeled for (say) a new trend that would financially help "your" shop?

One story I remember from those old investment books I liked to read was about Wal-Mart. It was listed on the NASDAQ (I think on the OTC-BB) in the late 1970s when it was growing in the Arkansas area. Any business-astute customer had about three years to ask one simple question, "Is Wal-Mart a listed company?", and act on it by buying some Wal-mart stock: (s)he would have had about a 500-1 gainer a/o 2000.   
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