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Topic: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin | PoW to PoS v. 2.0 | Solar Proof of Generation (§1 = 1MWh) - page 297. (Read 466822 times)

sr. member
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Yes, we're proud to be the largest pre-mine in cryptocurrency history.  Grin (Ripple might take that honour, not sure...)

Back in January, this was definitely a concern for many people when SolarCoin was new, even for me, because at that time it took a leap of faith in the co-creators (aka trust). Now that almost 9 months have passed and research has been done and behaviour has been observed of these individuals, the risk of the "pre-mine" issue that was very high in the beginning is much less so now. "It's so yesterday" to coin a term. Smiley

However, the risk will never be eliminated completely until we can get in place a contracting system that removes that last vestige of centralization from the equation. This community is dedicated to seeing that through from everything I have observed. So welcome to the party folks.  Kiss
legendary
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The total supply of SolarCoin in circulation will be approximately §98.1 billion over the next 40 years. This is fully documented and is comprised of the following:

  • Public Staking and Mining: ~§100 million (0.1%) of which §33.3 Million are publicly mined using scrypt PoW until such time that the Proof of Stake algorithm is implemented (currently scheduled to take place at Block 357,520). All publicly mined SolarCoins represent historically generated and unclaimed solar electricity. From block 357,520 forward, the only new supply of coins will come from the 1% staking interest that is built into the PoS model.
  • The Generator Pool: §97.5 billion (99.4%) are currently stored in a secure, non-circulating generator pool account. These will be exchanged for “proof of generation” claims of solar electricity producers submitted over the next 40 years at the rate of §1 per MWh of solar energy generated. As claims grow, these SolarCoins will be released and become part of the “coins in circulation” such that the growth in supply over the next 40 years should mimic the growth in solar electricity generation worldwide, assuming all generators claim their coins.
  • The Genesis Pool: §500 million (0.5%) are stored in the genesis pool account for environmental charities, early volunteers, advisers, builders and maintainers of SolarCoin infrastructure. Genesis pool circulation is capped so that it will never represent more than 5% of total SolarCoin in circulation at any given time.

Did I read that right, 99.9% premine?  Grin

So you have to have trust in a centralized Generator Pool to hand out solar credits?  I thought the whole point of crypto-currency was decentralization, and trust-less transactions.

This one is a little different. As smart contract technology progresses, those contracts will have the keys to the vault.
newbie
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The total supply of SolarCoin in circulation will be approximately §98.1 billion over the next 40 years. This is fully documented and is comprised of the following:

  • Public Staking and Mining: ~§100 million (0.1%) of which §33.3 Million are publicly mined using scrypt PoW until such time that the Proof of Stake algorithm is implemented (currently scheduled to take place at Block 357,520). All publicly mined SolarCoins represent historically generated and unclaimed solar electricity. From block 357,520 forward, the only new supply of coins will come from the 1% staking interest that is built into the PoS model.
  • The Generator Pool: §97.5 billion (99.4%) are currently stored in a secure, non-circulating generator pool account. These will be exchanged for “proof of generation” claims of solar electricity producers submitted over the next 40 years at the rate of §1 per MWh of solar energy generated. As claims grow, these SolarCoins will be released and become part of the “coins in circulation” such that the growth in supply over the next 40 years should mimic the growth in solar electricity generation worldwide, assuming all generators claim their coins.
  • The Genesis Pool: §500 million (0.5%) are stored in the genesis pool account for environmental charities, early volunteers, advisers, builders and maintainers of SolarCoin infrastructure. Genesis pool circulation is capped so that it will never represent more than 5% of total SolarCoin in circulation at any given time.

Did I read that right, 99.9% premine?  Grin

So you have to have trust in a centralized Generator Pool to hand out solar credits?  I thought the whole point of crypto-currency was decentralization, and trust-less transactions.
newbie
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In the previous thread there was some discussion of doing something similar to the Blackcoin mining pools but for SLR. Let me go find it... But if I recall, you can mine anything and the pool converts it to SLR for you or something. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously it's something that would need to be set up if someone saw some value in it to do it.

EDIT: Found it! Smiley Sylph suggested it, here is the link to the comment and the discussion after: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8226490

Having just read it, it looks as though that idea was talked down as not being in the spirit of Solarcoin.



Did you keep reading? There were more posts discussing it further down the page. I think it seems like a fine idea. Smiley

Obviously not enough. There was a lot of it. However it does not look as though it was implemented.

No, but we won't get to 100% PoS for a little over a month yet. If some enterprising keener decided to set it up, there's nothing to stop them if they know how to do it. I would certainly support it by mining that pool if it was there when PoS takes over. I guess we weren't sure of how much participation there would be, but you never know until it's tried.

Unfortunately I don't. But I have noted that SLR is rising sharply at the moment and almost getting back to where it started in relation to inflationary currencies and BTC.
sr. member
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The new version seems really slow "re-indexing blocks on disk". Is is possible to do this in stages, ie will it carry on where left off if the computer is switched off overnight?
Yes
Thanks. All upgraded now over two days.

The question remains as to what to mine after SLR becomes unprofitable or ceases to be mineable. Mining something else and converting it to SLR when SLR has a bad day seems an option. Such activity on a wide scale would continue to support SLR by propping up its market. Digibyte seems a possibility as it can be mined using old SHA256 miners as well as Scrypt miners.
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/digibyte/
but as far as I can see one would have to go via Bitcoin to get to Solarcoin.

Any other ideas on this?

In the previous thread there was some discussion of doing something similar to the Blackcoin mining pools but for SLR. Let me go find it... But if I recall, you can mine anything and the pool converts it to SLR for you or something. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously it's something that would need to be set up if someone saw some value in it to do it.

EDIT: Found it! Smiley Sylph suggested it, here is the link to the comment and the discussion after: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8226490

Having just read it, it looks as though that idea was talked down as not being in the spirit of Solarcoin.



Did you keep reading? There were more posts discussing it further down the page. I think it seems like a fine idea. Smiley

Obviously not enough. There was a lot of it. However it does not look as though it was implemented.

No, but we won't get to 100% PoS for a little over a month yet. If some enterprising keener decided to set it up, there's nothing to stop them if they know how to do it. I would certainly support it by mining that pool if it was there when PoS takes over. I guess we weren't sure of how much participation there would be, but you never know until it's tried.
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
The new version seems really slow "re-indexing blocks on disk". Is is possible to do this in stages, ie will it carry on where left off if the computer is switched off overnight?
Yes
Thanks. All upgraded now over two days.

The question remains as to what to mine after SLR becomes unprofitable or ceases to be mineable. Mining something else and converting it to SLR when SLR has a bad day seems an option. Such activity on a wide scale would continue to support SLR by propping up its market. Digibyte seems a possibility as it can be mined using old SHA256 miners as well as Scrypt miners.
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/digibyte/
but as far as I can see one would have to go via Bitcoin to get to Solarcoin.

Any other ideas on this?

In the previous thread there was some discussion of doing something similar to the Blackcoin mining pools but for SLR. Let me go find it... But if I recall, you can mine anything and the pool converts it to SLR for you or something. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously it's something that would need to be set up if someone saw some value in it to do it.

EDIT: Found it! Smiley Sylph suggested it, here is the link to the comment and the discussion after: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8226490

Having just read it, it looks as though that idea was talked down as not being in the spirit of Solarcoin.



Did you keep reading? There were more posts discussing it further down the page. I think it seems like a fine idea. Smiley

Obviously not enough. There was a lot of it. However it does not look as though it was implemented.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
The new version seems really slow "re-indexing blocks on disk". Is is possible to do this in stages, ie will it carry on where left off if the computer is switched off overnight?
Yes
Thanks. All upgraded now over two days.

The question remains as to what to mine after SLR becomes unprofitable or ceases to be mineable. Mining something else and converting it to SLR when SLR has a bad day seems an option. Such activity on a wide scale would continue to support SLR by propping up its market. Digibyte seems a possibility as it can be mined using old SHA256 miners as well as Scrypt miners.
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/digibyte/
but as far as I can see one would have to go via Bitcoin to get to Solarcoin.

Any other ideas on this?

In the previous thread there was some discussion of doing something similar to the Blackcoin mining pools but for SLR. Let me go find it... But if I recall, you can mine anything and the pool converts it to SLR for you or something. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously it's something that would need to be set up if someone saw some value in it to do it.

EDIT: Found it! Smiley Sylph suggested it, here is the link to the comment and the discussion after: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8226490

Having just read it, it looks as though that idea was talked down as not being in the spirit of Solarcoin.



Did you keep reading? There were more posts discussing it further down the page. I think it seems like a fine idea. Smiley
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
The new version seems really slow "re-indexing blocks on disk". Is is possible to do this in stages, ie will it carry on where left off if the computer is switched off overnight?
Yes
Thanks. All upgraded now over two days.

The question remains as to what to mine after SLR becomes unprofitable or ceases to be mineable. Mining something else and converting it to SLR when SLR has a bad day seems an option. Such activity on a wide scale would continue to support SLR by propping up its market. Digibyte seems a possibility as it can be mined using old SHA256 miners as well as Scrypt miners.
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/digibyte/
but as far as I can see one would have to go via Bitcoin to get to Solarcoin.

Any other ideas on this?

In the previous thread there was some discussion of doing something similar to the Blackcoin mining pools but for SLR. Let me go find it... But if I recall, you can mine anything and the pool converts it to SLR for you or something. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously it's something that would need to be set up if someone saw some value in it to do it.

EDIT: Found it! Smiley Sylph suggested it, here is the link to the comment and the discussion after: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8226490

Having just read it, it looks as though that idea was talked down as not being in the spirit of Solarcoin.

sr. member
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KGW can't come soon enough... I have my BTC all ready to start mining through the fork, looks like it will still be a few days yet before 310k gets here. I was hoping it would be this weekend. Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
The new version seems really slow "re-indexing blocks on disk". Is is possible to do this in stages, ie will it carry on where left off if the computer is switched off overnight?
Yes
Thanks. All upgraded now over two days.

The question remains as to what to mine after SLR becomes unprofitable or ceases to be mineable. Mining something else and converting it to SLR when SLR has a bad day seems an option. Such activity on a wide scale would continue to support SLR by propping up its market. Digibyte seems a possibility as it can be mined using old SHA256 miners as well as Scrypt miners.
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/digibyte/
but as far as I can see one would have to go via Bitcoin to get to Solarcoin.

Any other ideas on this?

In the previous thread there was some discussion of doing something similar to the Blackcoin mining pools but for SLR. Let me go find it... But if I recall, you can mine anything and the pool converts it to SLR for you or something. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously it's something that would need to be set up if someone saw some value in it to do it.

EDIT: Found it! Smiley Sylph suggested it, here is the link to the comment and the discussion after: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8226490
legendary
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up 110.5% today bittrex 6.5 btc volume Grin
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
The new version seems really slow "re-indexing blocks on disk". Is is possible to do this in stages, ie will it carry on where left off if the computer is switched off overnight?
Yes
Thanks. All upgraded now over two days.

The question remains as to what to mine after SLR becomes unprofitable or ceases to be mineable. Mining something else and converting it to SLR when SLR has a bad day seems an option. Such activity on a wide scale would continue to support SLR by propping up its market. Digibyte seems a possibility as it can be mined using old SHA256 miners as well as Scrypt miners.
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/digibyte/
but as far as I can see one would have to go via Bitcoin to get to Solarcoin.

Any other ideas on this?
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1001
Never seen volume this high on solar bittrex

BTC VOL   5.22461927 BTC

See that volume. Imagine 10 times that volume after all these triggers begin. PoS, grants flying out the door, Incorporation, etc.



 Grin Grin Grin  Yup
legendary
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Solarcoin.org
Never seen volume this high on solar bittrex

BTC VOL   5.22461927 BTC

See that volume. Imagine 10 times that volume after all these triggers begin. PoS, grants flying out the door, Incorporation, etc.

legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1001
Never seen volume this high on solar bittrex

BTC VOL   5.22461927 BTC
hero member
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The new version seems really slow "re-indexing blocks on disk". Is is possible to do this in stages, ie will it carry on where left off if the computer is switched off overnight?
Yes
hero member
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geez look at that BTC market. I really wish I had more money to buy BTC to use to buy SLR. Now's the time!

I'm surprised BTC went down recently. With the announcement that PayPal will start accepting BTC, I thought it would go up. Weird. At least the good thing is, SLR is going up so we're not losing any value relative to fiat. If I had extra fiat on hand, I'd be scooping up BTC at sub-$400 prices and converting it into solid altcoins like SLR.

Remember all those stolen Bitcoins from MtGox?
legendary
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Block 310,000 getting closer.  Grin
sr. member
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With POS coming and most SLR holders holding for the long term, isn't it a concern that SLR will be kicked off of exchanges for low volume?  I know the volume is really good now, but won't this come to a screeching halt here shortly?

Hard to say. My hope is that enough "traders" will discover SLR while we're in the rapid rising phase that's likely to unfold over the next month, so that our average volume will remain significantly higher from short-term trading interest even after the switch to PoS. There are plenty of PoS coins that have good volume. It mostly seems to depend on whether the altcoin trading community has discovered and enjoys trading a particular coin or not. For a long long time, short-term traders almost completely ignored SLR and most of the volume was basically miners dumping into the bids of long-term investors. Obviously that dynamic is going to change, but it could either change by becoming a very low volume coin or by becoming more of a "traded" coin. We need to be hoping for the latter, because low volume is unhealthy.

Appreciate the response bud!  It will be an interesting thing to watch for sure, more than most I think as SLR seems to have WAY more in regards to long term holders.

Yeah, I would guess at least 15m SLR (half the circulation) is locked up in the hands of long-term holders. Another 5-10m or so was bought at extremely low prices (200-400 satoshis) and I'm guessing some of that will be cashed out by profit-takers over the next month or two as we move up on strong volume. Consider that just in the past week we've had a couple million SLR in turnover on the market at prices ranging from 800 to 1900. Some of this is obviously profit-taking. Eventually the profit-takers will be done taking their profits and the price will move up to much higher levels. The remaining 5-10m coins in circulation is a huge question mark -- could be long-term holders or could be people who will sell once a SLR is worth several cents. Probably some mix of both. And probably the average long-term holder will cash out 10% or so of their position at some price level where they will feel tempted to take some profits off the table (2 cents, 5 cents, 10 cents? who knows. will be different for each person).

So, the upshot of all this is, I think there will be enough liquidity in the market as the price keeps moving up. But you're right, SLR is an unusual coin in that it probably has way more long-term holders than almost all other coins out there. This is good for everyone, as it likely means there won't be a lot of huge dumping once we clear out some of the people who bought at ridiculously low prices and are happy to take their 5-10x gains and leave.

Once the Solarcoin Foundation incorporates, publicly secures the grant solarcoins, and begins to grow as an organization (receiving grants and outreach), investors will flock to the coin. I think with every step down that road, and the awareness that will come, the demand could surpass the available supply and raise the value of solarcoin!

 Grin

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