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Some people asked for details of our plan and implementations, here are some information on it. I'll use question/answer format to give details. Please post more questions if you have, the dev team will do our best to answer them.


Q: What is the overall plan for SUPER to support anonymous features?

A: Our ultimate goal is to create a peer-to-peer and completely de-centralized anonymous system. This is shown in the following diagram. Any node can become an intermediate "mixing" node, if some minimum requirements are satisfied. There is no central control parts. Everything is peer-to-peer and de-centralized.

Remember that this is a trustless system, any node may cheat if it can.

In order to achieve this goal, we divide our work into 2 steps:
   
  • Phase-1. To achieve anonymous wallet with a simplified, and easy to implement system
  • Phase-2. To implement a fully de-centralized peer-to-peer anonymous system

What is an anonymous system? Simply put, it is a system that people can not trace clearly the transactions from the blockchain, and see where the transaction really originated and where it is terminated. This protects people's privacy.

So why we don't go directly to our end-goal? This is because from our surveys and investigations, it is very complex and difficult to achieve a completely decentralized anonymous system. The key here is the "trust". When you do A->X->B, where X is some sort of the middle "mixer" node, the send or sign or commit of A->X and X->B (or its equivalent, such as a double-signed address, mini-escrow, etc), can not completely happen simultaneously, the one side (sender or Mixer-node) that has the last act can always cheat, though sometimes the cheat does not give the cheater benefits, but it can cause damage to the other party. Therefore, a complete trustless system is more difficult to be implemented (though it is possible - we'll discuss some more below).
 
For this reason, in phase-1 we decided to develop a system that will depend on some sort of the trust, it is much easier to implement, and will give people the anonymous feature. This trust will be done through the dev team, or a credible mining pool.


Q: So what is your Phase-1 solution?
A: Our initial anon solution will involve some middle trusted mixing pools. This is shown in the following diagram:

The mixing pools will be hosted initially by dev team, and can also be hosted by credible mining pools. The anon send will be directed to these mixing pools by wallet and mixed and then send to its destination.

Basically it is done like this:
   A (source) -> {Xi} (i = 1, ..., m), then {Yi} (i = 1, ..., n)->B (destination)

where {Xi} and {Yi} are randomly chosen addresses from a large pool of addresses (belonging to a mixing pool,
and these addresses are periodically refreshed, phased out, and created).

The source amount from A is split randomly into m parts (for now we choose m = 2,3 or 4 randomly in the anon version we will release for testing, but it will be a configurable parameters later), they are sent to m random addresses in randomly chosen mixing pool. The pool, on confirming the amounts received, will send the same amount in n parts to the destination (for our testnet we choose n=1, again this can be changed and configured). The result transaction is not traceable (at least extremely difficult to trace, given the large number of addresses in the mixing pool and dynamism of the addresses).

The main part of our phase-1 solution is implemented, and we will release a version for testnet shortly.


Q: Sounds good, is mixing pool software and coin wallet client are two different software?
A: Absolutely not. They are exactly the same. It is the SUPER coin wallet. Eventually this will be used for peer-to-peer system (in phase-2), so no reason to be different. Now we configure only a few special nodes as trusted nodes. Once we implement the trustless system in phase-2, no special config is needed.


Q: What is a trust system, and what is a trustless system?
A: A trust system will have at least one node that everyone trusts. This node will never cheat. Other nodes may or may not cheat.
A trustless system is that any nodes will cheat if they can. So to implement a trustless system it is more difficult as you have to implement mechanisms to prevent or discourage a node to cheat. If a node cheats, it will lose much more than it gains.


Q: Can you give some details on the mixing pool?
A: OK, it is basically a wallet client, with a pool feature configured as shown below.

A array of the incoming/outgoing addresses are created and refreshed dynamically, and randomly chosen for each transaction. Incoming and outgoing addresses balance their coins with predefined algorithms.


Q: Looks good for Phase-1. What about Phase-2? Is it feasible?
A: Phase-2 is absolutely feasible, albeit more difficult. We actually already defined a workable scheme, and work on
details now. It involves a complex system with multi-signature (m-to-n signature) addresses and multi-signature transactions. We can not reveal more details now. We will publish the full scheme design details after we implement, test and release it.
The Phase-2 will be built on top of the Phase-1 codebase. In phase-2, any node (wallet client) can become an intermediate mixing node if it satisfy some minimum requirements (e.g. minimum balance, network connectivity etc).


Excellent description, very knowledgeable dev!
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Some people asked for details of our plan and implementations, here are some information on it. I'll use question/answer format to give details. Please post more questions if you have, the dev team will do our best to answer them.


Q: What is the overall plan for SUPER to support anonymous features?

A: Our ultimate goal is to create a peer-to-peer and completely de-centralized anonymous system. This is shown in the following diagram. Any node can become an intermediate "mixing" node, if some minimum requirements are satisfied. There is no central control parts. Everything is peer-to-peer and de-centralized.

Remember that this is a trustless system, any node may cheat if it can.

In order to achieve this goal, we divide our work into 2 steps:
   
  • Phase-1. To achieve anonymous wallet with a simplified, and easy to implement system
  • Phase-2. To implement a fully de-centralized peer-to-peer anonymous system

What is an anonymous system? Simply put, it is a system that people can not trace clearly the transactions from the blockchain, and see where the transaction really originated and where it is terminated. This protects people's privacy.

So why we don't go directly to our end-goal? This is because from our surveys and investigations, it is very complex and difficult to achieve a completely decentralized anonymous system. The key here is the "trust". When you do A->X->B, where X is some sort of the middle "mixer" node, the send or sign or commit of A->X and X->B (or its equivalent, such as a double-signed address, mini-escrow, etc), can not completely happen simultaneously, the one side (sender or Mixer-node) that has the last act can always cheat, though sometimes the cheat does not give the cheater benefits, but it can cause damage to the other party. Therefore, a complete trustless system is more difficult to be implemented (though it is possible - we'll discuss some more below).
 
For this reason, in phase-1 we decided to develop a system that will depend on some sort of the trust, it is much easier to implement, and will give people the anonymous feature. This trust will be done through the dev team, or a credible mining pool.


Q: So what is your Phase-1 solution?
A: Our initial anon solution will involve some middle trusted mixing pools. This is shown in the following diagram:

The mixing pools will be hosted initially by dev team, and can also be hosted by credible mining pools. The anon send will be directed to these mixing pools by wallet and mixed and then send to its destination.

Basically it is done like this:
   A (source) -> {Xi} (i = 1, ..., m), then {Yi} (i = 1, ..., n)->B (destination)

where {Xi} and {Yi} are randomly chosen addresses from a large pool of addresses (belonging to a mixing pool,
and these addresses are periodically refreshed, phased out, and created).

The source amount from A is split randomly into m parts (for now we choose m = 2,3 or 4 randomly in the anon version we will release for testing, but it will be a configurable parameters later), they are sent to m random addresses in randomly chosen mixing pool. The pool, on confirming the amounts received, will send the same amount in n parts to the destination (for our testnet we choose n=1, again this can be changed and configured). The result transaction is not traceable (at least extremely difficult to trace, given the large number of addresses in the mixing pool and dynamism of the addresses).

The main part of our phase-1 solution is implemented, and we will release a version for testnet shortly.


Q: Sounds good, is mixing pool software and coin wallet client are two different software?
A: Absolutely not. They are exactly the same. It is the SUPER coin wallet. Eventually this will be used for peer-to-peer system (in phase-2), so no reason to be different. Now we configure only a few special nodes as trusted nodes. Once we implement the trustless system in phase-2, no special config is needed.


Q: What is a trust system, and what is a trustless system?
A: A trust system will have at least one node that everyone trusts. This node will never cheat. Other nodes may or may not cheat.
A trustless system is that any nodes will cheat if they can. So to implement a trustless system it is more difficult as you have to implement mechanisms to prevent or discourage a node to cheat. If a node cheats, it will lose much more than it gains.


Q: Can you give some details on the mixing pool?
A: OK, it is basically a wallet client, with a pool feature configured as shown below.

A array of the incoming/outgoing addresses are created and refreshed dynamically, and randomly chosen for each transaction. Incoming and outgoing addresses balance their coins with predefined algorithms.


Q: Looks good for Phase-1. What about Phase-2? Is it feasible?
A: Phase-2 is absolutely feasible, albeit more difficult. We actually already defined a workable scheme, and work on
details now. It involves a complex system with multi-signature (m-to-n signature) addresses and multi-signature transactions. We can not reveal more details now. We will publish the full scheme design details after we implement, test and release it.
The Phase-2 will be built on top of the Phase-1 codebase. In phase-2, any node (wallet client) can become an intermediate mixing node if it satisfy some minimum requirements (e.g. minimum balance, network connectivity etc).
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GUYS,

we will have anon beta test this weekend.

Please send your coin suggest here https://support.mintpal.com/index.php?module=tickets&sec=submit.step1


choose "Coin Suggestion" and submit ticket.

Mintpal is very cooperative and they may reply to your request soon.

since we have steady market support and active development, we may succeed.


Please do it right now!
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Monero is decentralized and anonymous.
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yes, that is a different approach.

i don't know why cryptonote coins die in 2011, and now revive from ash.
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Is there any real explanation for anon feature? Not this sketchy post which explains nothing.

It's a centralized solution. This isn't what the crypto community is wanting or waiting for. The only thing that makes supercoin different are the superblocks. Enjoy the rise folks, but don't expect another 40x price that's for sure.
(damn I am jealous, sure wish I bought in the 100s a few days ago)

that is your point.

so which coin is decentralized right now?

either VPS Masternode or SUPERNODE is centralized. can we explain DRK hype?
Monero is decentralized and anonymous.
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Is there any real explanation for anon feature? Not this sketchy post which explains nothing.

It's a centralized solution. This isn't what the crypto community is wanting or waiting for. The only thing that makes supercoin different are the superblocks. Enjoy the rise folks, but don't expect another 40x price that's for sure.
(damn I am jealous, sure wish I bought in the 100s a few days ago)

that is your point.

so which coin is decentralized right now?

either VPS Masternode or SUPERNODE is centralized. can we explain DRK hype?
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Is there any real explanation for anon feature? Not this sketchy post which explains nothing.

It's a centralized solution. This isn't what the crypto community is wanting or waiting for. The only thing that makes supercoin different are the superblocks. Enjoy the rise folks, but don't expect another 40x price that's for sure.
(damn I am jealous, sure wish I bought in the 100s a few days ago)
legendary
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Is there any real explanation for anon feature? Not this sketchy post which explains nothing.

i think we will get details this weekend.

be patient
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Is there any real explanation for anon feature? Not this sketchy post which explains nothing.
legendary
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Dear Dev,

if we release beta anon feature as plan, the volume and price are bound to hype.

here is some suggestion:
1. anon featured wallet on time
2. written brief on anon tech explanation and video presentation
3. future plan (on anon upgrade)

These material will be very conducive to Exchanges adoption.


Thanks for your hard working
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Is the mintpal or polo announcement happening tonight

polo probably soon , mintpal once volume gets higher
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Is the mintpal or polo announcement happening tonight
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SUPER is #68 in market cap now... still plenty upside potential!
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Here is a Simple a analysis on Supercoin reasonable price after Anon wallet release

Until now, only Dark coin and XC coin has some Anon features

Darkcoin has a worked mixer but also some problem with their master node
XC coin has a test net mixer and do not worked Anon wallet yet, they will have a version2.0 two weeks later.
Vericoin do not have a Anon wallet, they only have a development plan
Supercoin has a Anon wallet on testnet.

Dark coin Current total supply   is 4.3 Million, the Price is 1.7 Million Satoshi/11$
XC   coin  Current total supply  is 5.5 Million, the Price is  130K Satoshi/0.84$
Vericoin Current total supply    is  26 Million, the Price is   15K Satoshi/0.1$
Supercoin Current total supply is  10 Million, the Price is   3K?Huh/0.018$???

personally i think we have done much work on Anon features than Vericoin

so the reasonable Supercoin price at least hit 15K*2.6=37.5K Satoshi
if we compared with XC coin, the reasonable price will hit 60K Satoshi.


now the Current Supercoin price is only 3K Satoshi.

so what are we waiting for???. Grin



+1
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Here is a Simple a analysis on Supercoin reasonable price after Anon wallet release

Until now, only Dark coin and XC coin has some Anon features

How on earth can anyone take you seriously when you don't mention XMR (or any of the CryptoNote coins) that are the ONLY cryptocurrencies that are truly untraceable? Besides, all these coins are doing shitty implementations of mixing or CoinJoin, both of which are proven to be shitty and not anonymous.

sorry i missed XMR, CryptoNote is also a very promising Technology.
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Supercoin Version 1.2 a mandatory upgrade,
mining pools and exchanges please upgrade as soon as possible


Download: http://www.super-coin.net/SuperCoin12.zip
Download2: https://mega.co.nz/#!EoJAURQZ!Mn-vb1gXBNbdAQzYsqUKIcjq8PXGRsRu15_-L0riQFo

updated source: https://github.com/supercoinproject/supercoin

This is a mandatory upgrade, please upgrade your wallet as soon as possible. The switch point is PoW block 17500 (not overall (PoW+PoS) block). This will be reached in 3-4 days from now.

Initial PoW Payout 512 coins per block will last about 6 more block-days. Then the payout will be halved to 256 coins. From this point on, the payout will be halved every 10 block-days. Superblocks will remain the same as before.

Once the payout reaches 1-2 coins per block, the PoW blocks will be cutoff and no PoW will be allowed. After it, the coin will become a pure PoS coin. The reason we decided to change this, is mainly for security reasons. As the very low PoW payout will cause very low hash rate, and the network is vulnerable to be attacked.

PoS payout and super-PoS blocks will remain unchanged.

With updated payout scheme, the total PoW coins will be about 18.2 millions and total coins (PoW + PoS) is estimated at about 50 millions.

Haven't been there for a few days and so many new messages and  news.

Just upgraded, people please all upgrade it is mandatory!
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Here is a Simple a analysis on Supercoin reasonable price after Anon wallet release

Until now, only Dark coin and XC coin has some Anon features

How on earth can anyone take you seriously when you don't mention XMR (or any of the CryptoNote coins) that are the ONLY cryptocurrencies that are truly untraceable? Besides, all these coins are doing shitty implementations of mixing or CoinJoin, both of which are proven to be shitty and not anonymous.
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