Topic: [ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released - page 154. (Read 1356140 times)

Well you couldnt send any of the guys on this forum to cheer lead. I bet we would all look really bad in a bikini. I know i would 

please let us be optimistic for positive change
I have seen very helpful things from them. We just have to send them some cheerleaders to brighten their day!

Its not going to happen with those two people, you only have to look at there posts on other coin threads to see that. Shameful behaviour!.

Why make the devs have to think twice (or ten times) about whether to post details about the progress they are making?

I know after a long battle against bugs when I make even a small step toward the completion line, I like to write about it, if only to clarify in my mind the specific progress that has been made.

Now if you want to require that the devs are 100% precise with every post about every detail, then they will become reluctant to post.

Now, I ask a simple question.

Do you like cheerleaders? Say, like: http://www.dolphinscheerleaders.com/

Why do sports teams have the cheerleaders? They dont actually help the players be better do they? Or do they?
Do the cheerleaders start berating the players for making errors? Or do they just make a new routine to encourage the players? positive reinforcement works. positive mental attitude works. there should be no debate about this.

Coding is a mental effort. Mental state affects things that require mental effort. forum posts affect mental state

I am not saying there can be not criticisms, but to pick on the posting of work in progress is not very supportive. Let us try to be more like cheerleaders. When you are criticizing, this requires dev's mental effort to address and isnt it better that this effort be used for coding than responding to criticisms?

Of course, if there is a significant horrible issue that is worth derailing a dev's concentration for an hour (or day), then by all means make a fact based post and it will be treated with the urgency it deserves.

What about positive reinforcement for each small step of progress? This will make these small steps come faster and faster. Isnt that worth the effort to not post a critical post?

James

*BTW - DPD… is my creepy way of referring to Doug, Pat and Dave. It's like a gang. Only… not. At all.

DPD4LIFE

Hey all! Laundry done and I'm on my com… pooter now!

What's new?

AltCoinUK - All valid points. That said… remember that DPD… aren't marketers - they are coders and scientists.
We are ironing out these kinds of mishaps but there is NO need to blow them out of proportion.
Crypto is a TINY, IMPATIENT world. VeriCoin is going to buck that trend.

Also I noticed you were following me on Twitter. I sent you a Direct Message so we can get to the bottom of the issues you seem to have.

I'm guessing that you hold $VRC and will probably dump when the time suits you - that's fine. Do what you must.

But ranting and raving over very minuscule mistakes… is certainly not helping your… or anyones… position - with regards to the "price".

Pls respond back to me on Twitter or unfollow. Thanx.

Aside from that… we're all doing our part to help VeriCoin succeed.

Shout out to the VeriCoin community for hanging in there after some really brutal setbacks! Thou… art an awesome community! 

We're still here. And we're not going… anywhere… but up.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

Thank you James but it is unnecessary: no.one has grown impatient at all here. Nosker issued a brief report on progress about a week ago and although a new one along similar lines would be appropriate now, like I said, no one is impatient at all.

The problems are not your other commitments or even ghe price that remains around 50% above what it was at the time of your initial involvement. The problems are unnecessarily self-created by posting messages, percentages and enthusiasms thar are, again and again, off key and therefore counter productive... coming from a dev... whatever well intentionrd he might be. At this point these things simply shouldnt br happening. You dont need to issue percentages,  nor deadlines unless you are 100% sure you are going to meet them. Like UK said this iteration of the wallet is next to meaningless anyway, why hyping it with midleading enthusiasm and implied deadlines? Its childish and completely unnecessary.

As for windows being a pain... we have a windows man if there ever was one on board... one could easily assume that this will put us way ahead of the competition in that particulat os at least! And I dont see any other project out there having the now secular problems were continue having... but, again, irrelevant. Everyone and his aunt here hss already implore the devs to not jump the gun and play the announcement game with enouhh margin to not shoot ourselves in the foot. Apparent progress in this regard -and others- seem to have happened with Nosker. Yey! Doug?, a "hard work" in progress...

Thank you James I agree totally with you.

For those that are not coders, I can tell you that getting things to work on Windows is a project in an of itself! Even when you are doing low level coding, Windows is just so, well, Windows. Networking is like sockets, but not. memory mapped files, well, sort of. everything is warped by the MSFT proprietary version of the standard open source methods. Then there is the whole visual studio thing which makes everything impossible, at least for me. dont even get me started on 32bit Windows! Seriously? people are still running that?

I am to the point where I dont even bother with Windows porting and let some other guy suffer for a week(s) to get what takes minutes on any sane OS.

So, please understand that from code complete to having full support across all OS can be some significant time just fiddling with OS, compilers, linkers, libraries.

Separately, I have said that VRC is long term HODL with a 6 month timeframe. Not sure what part of this becomes "why isnt the price more than double in two weeks"?? I have advised to accumulate VRC between .000125 and .00015, what has the price been ranging between? I said that a stable floor needs to have at least a week if not two weeks long to provide the step to the next level.

Look at the long term price chart.

This sideways motion during the retrenchment phase where it usually is declining big percentages indicates what is about to happen. It might be hard for some short term thinkers to understand that when you are managing a 5000 BTC ICO, that this eats up a good part of everyday, especially when you are doing new deals frequently. As such my coding time has suffered, but I have managed to get some good progress with the SuperNET transport layer: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8884807

Once the SuperNET transport layer is solid and I can publish more formal API docs, then VRC will be able to directly access the SuperNET. I know work is already started with GUI integration, but when you are actually writing new code it is not a matter of cut and paste and done, so the expectation that it will be done in days is just unrealistic.

So, long term HODL. Patience. Accumulate the cheap VRC between .000125 and .00015
If you are impatient, please sell. I WTB VRC in largish amounts. I have 50 BTC available for this.

You can also diversify with the swap of VRC for TOKEN at 5% bonus.

Please let us support the devs a positive atmosphere is most important for making progress. If you dont have the patience, then please sell. I am buying

James

Personally im a top 5% holder of vericoin and Im very pleased with the work the Dev team is doing. They let us know they are working on things even throw in some pics and other things from time to time. Very community involved. Thank you for all your hard work effectstocause I appreciate it   

To be honest I am not worry about this minor UI improvement release at all, I assume the new UI will be the same QT fork based than the current one with a new skin and minor functionality improvements and in my opinion the devs should work on more sensible tasks, and not be worried about UI enhancements at this stage. Minor UI enhancements surely won't put vericoin into the top 5 currencies.

Anyway, everyone can see that the devs are working on something, at least effectToCause said he is working on it. Quite a few people said here this week that they had enough and sold out their coins, and any inputs from the devs could be therapeutical for the depressed soul of bag holders :-))

Ok let me know, no problems on Ubuntu, may be some fedora library conflict.  I'll check the code for this error, thanks.

q5 5.3.1-4.fc20:


I might have time to debug more tomorrow..

Also in the context of 98 files edited, 2,700 additions and 565 deletions, 99% is not out of the ballpark of work and time, but it can be misleading, if it was I apologize.  https://github.com/vericoin/master/commit/92a1c96ad828a6bfda2242e54af4e66837369607

altcoinUK and barabbas, is your only purpose in this community to bitch, complain and cry at every possible moment?

Doug never stated a release date, he said soon(which could mean 1 day, 1 week, 1 month) soon means soon!

Why can't Doug post a preview of the wallet that's being worked on? You two constantly complain about no progress being made or shown, yet when something is produced you shoot it down and shit all over it?

Why is it the dev's job to explain to you that you shouldn't make false expectations when nothing was said by the dev's but you made the assumption?

 

I agree that Doug was a bit too enthusiastic about the completion when he said that it was at 99%. However, at the same time, he also said, "There is a few finishing touches, a little more testing, compilation for the three OSes, then we will release it."

Maybe you should have jumped on his case about it then.

OK Scott, I really don't want to be pedantic about this UI release which we both know will change nothing to VRC in the long term anyway, but it is even more confusing now :-)))

It is not a compiler issue right now, but as you said an issue that revealed by last night debugging. Firstly, I would expect if a developer talk about a 99% completion status then already no debugging activity should happen at all. If the application is really 99% completed the debugging as part of the development process should be performed a long time ago. Secondly, effectsToCause indicates above that the issue "is how each operating system handles the new formatting of the UI". On the other hand it was told a week ago that the UI is 99% ready. I would assume if a developer states that an application is 99% ready then the app already passed the system, integration, usability and user acceptance tests, and surely shouldn't have any issues with OS specific rendering. This could only happen if the developer
a) has no idea what he is doing
b) talking bollocks
c) was over excited about the progress and misinterpreted the completion of the application and it was not 99%

I am sure here option "c" was the case :-)))

Ironically I will now get back to work instead of debating with you the meaning of work.

No Doug what is surprising is that you keep posting teasers and (unrealistic) percentages again and again and again with not one single instance of target fully achieved on time. Its childish and extremely counter productive... let alone very damaging for your personal credibility fully affected already by the "cry wolf" syndrome.

And you know what? No one believes at this stage you do work much on this project. Of course yiur personal perception of what "works" is, when it comes to vericoin is quite loose to say the least. Remember that only weeks after launch and with so many deficiencies and "pending" projects you were on full fledged vacation... can you imagine a similar situation in the real world? Affecting an "enterprise" were people has invested several million dollars? So "work" here means what exactly? Does the time spent on irc or here count on your appreciation? Chats, pms, etc with socal, very viral etc count also? Just general conversations with nosker and dave about those "break balls on btct" count as "working"? Look, nobody cares, ok? All people care about is a weekly briefing on the REAL progress being msde and, WAY MORE IMPORTANTLY, on the FINISHED results of that progress. Percentages have proven as meaningless as your self proclaimed "hard work". And teases? Well...

You should try compiling in Qt5.  Tested and working well on Ubuntu 14.04 64bit Qt5.