Topic: [ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released - page 169. (Read 1356140 times)

You call yourself a Veryleader and do not own even one VRC? Very helpful!

edit: Yoshiwatusi thought the same but was faster

" My baby coin VRC...but I dont own any vrc.." .b4c

Then why do I constantly see things like this? People look to anon third party james, more than our own leadership.

Xosihc just was at the state fair, talking to senators! I was so proud, then the next post I see is this. He is looking to this third party, or anon dev 4 for direction on what to do next... I mean... WOW no?  

That is one VeriLeader under the control of jl777, I can mention pretty much the whole VeriLeader crew in that same sentance. I am so ashamed to call myself a VeriLeader. But I am better than that. I will defend this coin, because its worth it. Because I am what all the future Verileaders will aspire to be.

Respected members of the comunity, Verileader's, asking for direction from the new anonymous shot caller, over leadership. Simply amazing.

I dont think there is a 'dev4' its just 3rth party..

I am still a part of this project, and very skeptical about SuperNet, sure. And trust me I have done plenty of research into this project. So try and win me over. Patrick's response was affirmation that everyone should find reassuring. They are trying to create value for you, but you are messing with a dangerous individual this "anon" dev. Maybe not for the early investors. But at some point before this "SuperNet" is created, someone may come along with resources that make the SuperNet obsolete before it's out the gate.

You are being ripped off of your TRUE asset, credibility, transparency by going into the plan of a anon dev. If you can't see that point of view, then you are not looking close at your investment.

You can be so much more than part of the SuperNet in time if the guys can find a way to seperate itself from being one of the many SuperNet coin, to being "THE" supernet coin, but that role is already reserved for jl777 and where he has more skin in the game.

There is only room for so many virtual currencies in this world, Bitcoin is evidence daily that 1 virtual currency with 10''s of thousands of devs working open source, will always be better than 1 or 2 going at things the same way.

I think VRC needed to get to regulation town first. Bringing in the new front man as a anonymous dev sets this project and the ability to join the "COIN" ETF that's launching from the Winklevoss's back quite a bit don't you think? But if you want to get mainstream, without regulation, that certainly will be a challenge under the leadership of a anon dev who switches the game plan up at every turn.

I am in no way anon, I thought this coin was my baby because I could see, and go talk to the devs if I wanted, and they showed incredible foresight into wanting to be "mainstream" which I interpereted as wanting to achieve regulation, and in my eyes change the culture of crypto for the better. If this is okay to be anonymous now, I will no longer be able to support the actions of anyone "anonymous"

Before this deal started, dev 4 was supposed to be public. Now, he is not. That is something I find incredibly hurtful to the "clean" and transparent nature this team was supposed to represent. Do you NOT see any conflict?

Hope is a powerful thing. Before this "deal" the order book looked thin. I get that people are desperate. But open up your eyes people are realize longterm you might have destined this coin to be just another, when you could have been THE one. It was your call. Unfortunate, indeed.

Sluppy, I think you have misunderstood what doc is suggesting.
He is saying that he will come up with a touch screen payment processor, NFC card reader device using the Raspberry Pi board. A phone what you suggest is not an alternative to what doc suggests. For example an STM32 discovery board could be an alternative but not a phone. He is talking about the Raspberry Pi that cost £25.

In 9 minutes http://www.vrcradio.com LIVE!

Patrick,

It's very big of you that you're still responding to buy4crypto, but I wish you wouldn't.  He has nothing to add to our conversations at all other than insulting you guys or the project.

All donations to us have gone directly towards either the Devfund (1500 VRC donated, total), or VeriFund, several BTC donated and around 100k VRC donated (outside of our own donations to it), and finally around 70k donated privately to a fund to help setup a decentralized exchange.

We have not personally profited from any donations.

You can take my word for it, or not. But we won't be disclosing our addresses, coin counts, etc. because we didn't IPO/Premine and we earned all of our own coins by either mining or buying with cold, hard cash and it's nobody's business how much coin we have or what we do with it. I will say that I still haven't sold any of my mined pot of coin until I donated 75k to the superNET fund, and used some VRC to buy shirts, physical coins, and the like.

I know Crindon gave a sizable amount. (He was part of the pump team with Patrick and others in June / July, He gave a very nice public donation to Patrick after he sold out.) I am sure many others didn't want there donations known (Wizrig and others), but maybe its time to mention any side accounts, or family members who have profited from this? In the name of transparency. Maybe friends of friends have large accounts they are trading? We know Doug, and Patrick both have relatives invested in the coin. We have heard that you 3 dev's don't trade, but that leaves the door open for family / friends, and these new teammates, who have made the price jump on so little as speculation.


We already know "anon" dev 4 is a coin trader with a personal stash of at least 200k VRC by his words recently. He makes big profits, and big plans around buying / selling / developing. I don't care how ethical you may think he is, anonymous is not ethical. Nor what he, and his team may be doing behind the scenes with the momentum created from his own doing.




Greed is a temptress. If you're not one of the few people "in the know" I would be extremely careful of hoping for a future promise to come to fruition. But by all means, ride the waves, take profits on the momentum. You will ensure that the anon dev cannot take your profits when he is ready to fade back into the shadows for whatever reason he decides when its time to pull the plug.

Can I ask our developers, Dave, Doug, Patrick. in the name of transparency to divulge any and all donations that they may have received since the start of this project. This includes, but is not limited to vericoin addresses, fiat, future personal favors, ect?

I don't want to assume things. But we need to know if you have received gifts of any kind from people who are acting on behalf of VeriCoin in the past, present, and future.

SuperNet needs a transparent team. Can you please post the amounts, and if you know who sent the amount, please clarify the name of the handle, so people can have a better clue of how you guys may, or may not be profiting from your work, and the inclusion into SuperNet.


James may find this refreshing, we need the most transparent team now to make this work. We shouldn't be hiding anything, especially if nobody is profiting from this pump close to the developers.

I like your plan but your Wrong about the PI  its Old Slow and Expensive , you can get a much better Phone for less money , that will have a Camera to record and Screen to Display stuff like QR codes.
This could also be used by stores to build the inventory of their websites, Supernet may want to consider providing that service. so it could be presented as an allround product to drag the company into the 21st century.
Also I think it will be a Huge task to build a trusted system and why reinvent the wheel while u have good year tires in the garage.

That having been said this is really one of the roads we should be heading down.
Id love to help out on this project as long as u dont expect me to Code anything cuz then ull be dissapointed.

That's a very valid point. It was interesting to see that during the last rise the staking was down to 12 million, which means lots of bag holders moved their coins to the exchanges to sell. The large number of sellers makes a pump and consequently higher price quite impossible at this moment in time.

This post is so insightful.

More moon gifs please.


Looks like the supernet profit takers are already hammering many of the "candidates" Must be nice to get in early on these 1-2 year projects that, to date have yet to materialize in any meaningful way. Yet, the people setting up these things seem to ALWAYS profit. Must be nice to promise people the world, RISK FREE and then profit from it. Not only that, you all think jl777 is your savior.


My mistake with wizrig, was giving him the benefit of the doubt. This is more grotesque than anything wizrig did, and the pumping is even worse, with less of a impact. Be careful.


But, This is definately THE team to do it right? I mean, no competancy among the transparent devs, anonymous devs talking about changing the world.... All in noobs shouting about how this will change crypto..


Sounds exactly like the same promises, that materialize into failure.

But, I understand why you all hope, and dream and push out promises longer, so that the pumps can last longer in the meantime. You guys all realize 0 promises come true in vericoin that "change the game". Infact most are embarrassing when released. The only difference is the gig has been extended for years while the "smart money" aka insiders with the anon dev masterfully manipulate this, and the other "supernet" coins around. I can see it all to clearly already!

.... Because when its back to reality.... watch out. =/

Mark my words. The people who will profit  on "SuperNet", are those in the inner circle of SuperNet. You, the "Sheep" may make some money, but in the end, the last investors will be hurt the most, like anything that creates no value over another service, its a zero sum game. The ones who can buy prior to a pump, and sell prior to bad news will profit. It would be nice to be a anon insider at this point would you say? These anon devs are not welcome in crypto. "threats on my life" is BS, if you are not hurting people, nobody would threaten your life.

Funny how someone wants to hide using "proxy public" devs to gain credibility, meanwhile the trend is moving away from "anon" devs. The public people at VeriCoin sign up for anonymous leader while the entire market is moving towards things like "Proof of Developer" makes zero sense. But I guess anything for a pump, right guys? We know who is making money on this deal..

Be patient, it was just a week ago when things started to turn up.  There are still a lot of people that have been waiting for some increase to sell who never were invested in the vision of VRC.  James calls them the "weakhands" like BlackHandAshdrake and Wizfarm who have no interest in contributing to the future of VRC.  Once they get out, I think we'll see a steady increase.  It's not going to happen all in one day... which is the best way.  It'll be slow growth.  James has always spoken long term.  It's nice to have you on board again.  Again, please be patient and stay positive. :-)

Side Note:  If you think our BitcoinTalk forum has some issues, check out CloackCoin forum right now.  There's barely anybody left positive enough to even turn the lights off. Ouch...

You can always count on my unconditional support :-)) I was always the biggest supporter of this coin while the price was over 10k, you can check my tweets. Once the operation, buy support, volume and prices had collapsed I felt I need to point out the issues instead of continue the unconditional cheerleading (what I was doing before).
Now, as it turned out that the vericoin core devs have been working hard, then we need to be supportive, don't we?

I vote to immediately use part of the funds to rent a team of commando's and free Auk clearly hes beeing held somewhere and someone has a gun to his head.
A whole rather usefull post Without insults ending with "I am happy to help if I can" clearly a cry for help and we should act quickly before they kill him.
(no Auk not trying to troll u just happily surprised;)

That power is lot less than what was promised and expected. After the great speeches and the promised endless access to infinitely rich whales the price couldn't even break 20k, and VRC started from a very low volume and very low price of 10k.
I would never do the bitching and complaining if the price rise, but as the price is fluctuating around 15k and going nowhere, better to ask where is the promised buy support of whales and not to celebrate what is not there.

Yes, this could be a great community or hobby project, and this is a great idea to keep tech-minded VRC fans together. If you aren't interested to commercialize the device, then that's it, that's all I wanted to say :-))) If you are interested to commercialize the device then please read on :-)) hopefully you will find some useful information below.

As for developing a business ready payment processor device, that is a more complicated case. I suggested here back in June/July to roll out an ATM or payment processing device, but to be honest my suggestion was for mainly PR reasons. Once VRC start developing such device then the accompanying press releases could provide some good publicity for the coin. However, there are difficulties involved with the commercialization such devices. Prior to marketing and selling the difficulties are in R&D (research and development) and regulatory procedure.

R&D
This is an interesting one, lately lot of start-ups jumped into commercializing Raspberry Pi based solutions - it is not as easy nor practical as first seems :-)) Yes, the buses and pins are there, so you can use SPI, I2C, UART, yes we can buy the cheap peripherals from Sparkfun, Seeedstudio, etc., but the fact that the Raspberry Pi is a very capable device also introduces a few problems as well. The Pi is big, certainly bigger than what you need for this use case. Plus, once the touch screen is integrated the device is even bigger. That means the designer quickly run into the usual practical problem: electronic enclosure. For this device that you have described won't be possible to find a good looking bespoke enclosure (and I guess we wouldn't want to roll out an ugly one). That's why most of the Raspberry Pi based devices use a custom enclosure, but that means extra cost, at least $20,000 to get the enclosure. Apart from the touch screen, we would need a WiFi module to get internet connection, that means extra cost and even bigger device.
My experience is that these projects almost all the time end up using a custom design, to roll out and manufacture their own PCB. In this case the hardware cost less than using the expensive Pi, touch screen, WiFi board combo, and you can use a good looking bespoke enclosure from OKW, Bopla, etc.

Regulatory
Such device has to comply with safety, electronics and all kind of other regulations, not to mention the compliance with financial regulations related with payment processing, and the regulations are quite region specific. Therefore,  better to see the US and rest of the world market differently as the requirements are very different in these two.

EU and rest of the world. Once the CE mark is obtained and the certification partner (that is accredited by the regulatory body) was selected wisely, then the device is eligible in not only the EU market, but China, Japan, Taiwan and the Middle East. So it is quite important we select the correct certification partner. Still, go through on the regulatory process is a relatively expensive (£10,000) and time consuming task.

As for the USA, it is even more expensive and time consuming. Not too mention if your device communicates over a wireless protocol then the FCC is pain in ass  (and I assume your device would have a WiFi internet connection instead of using the Pi Ethernet connection to enable easier integration in the shops that use the device).

There are many other issues with hardware/firmware design and commercialization of the device, and I am sure you know that, and I just wanted to put my 2 cents here and not to tell what you should do, you will know how to handle the design and the rest, but if you run into problems let me know, I am happy to help if I can.