Topic: [ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released - page 284. (Read 1356147 times)

BTW- I don't like Barabbas, not that he cares or should, but he does have points I do agree with.


My 2 biggest concerns and why I haven't held any vrc in weeks/months or probably plan to are


1. The announcements/pump machine was obvious to see from the start of the coin.  Always coming up with something that either never materialized or when it did was so insanely underwhelming it was laughable.

2. The ability to buy VRC direct from the wallet with fiat that ended up just being a link to another site.


Now, I keep saying I believe the devs are honest, smart in some ways etc as well as many others here but they still have not learned the lesson, even when begged, to not " announce " anything.. just do it and say here it is!
That would have done more for this coin then anything else and would have stayed on par with the " honesty and likeability " the devs portray.


How it stands, announcing things just to catch a few suckers to keep the ship afloat one more day just kills any " Honesty and likeability "

Hey maybe I will be wrong and it is one of those things where everything just went wrong ( devs suckered by pumpers at the start of the coin and defending them, 3rd party Mintpal fiasco, constant announcements that eventually most people could see them for what they were etc .. ) and all of a sudden vrc gets its act together.  

I would love to see that one day but it will not be with my money anytime soon until so much changes.


BTW- No I don't own any vrc and I am not looking to buy vrc currently or for a while like I said above...

I am not aware of such reputation but I can assure you that what happens in this thread is very much the exact replica of what happens in every other thread. As a matter of fact, I would propose to you a clarifying experiment: Create a totally new account (because the first thing that your critics will do, inevitably, is check your previous posts) and post exactly the same content, word by word, substituting the name of the coin only. I guarantee you that the responses will be eerily similar.

Anyway, regarding your current post, the biggest dicks here are, by far, those of socal and the two more vocal of the three devs. There's not even a question about it, no doubt whatsoever, so there's no going contest there.

What is going on, on the other hand, is a question that, for many, implies the potential (or lack thereof) of survival of Vericoin. And I for one believe that potential investors would actually be quite grateful for being able to see the whole picture, from different perspectives. I know that I would if I were considering putting money into it, so I believe others would too. But this is just part of my particular conviction and dedication to expose the truth and the bad players (Mind you, I started both the WALL OF HONOR and the WALL OF SHAME on these forums -perhaps you should visit those... certainly any new investor in crypto should-). You, obviously, would prefer something akin to an unified community bent on scamming any new investors offering only the harmonic and rose-colored side of their perceptions, in which case, you may have landed in the wrong place and if so, you should perhaps be running for the exits instead of lecturing us in con tactics.

Too much of that in crypto already.

Firstly, cheers for the compliment on my critical thinking etc. It is good to see someone here who can have a discussion or even an "argument" while remaining civil.

I know that you attribute the recent pump to the WVD and the Minnesota fair idea. I still maintain that the pump was coming from the moment the Vericoin devs made the "announcement announcement" on the 11th (see the line I drew?). The WVD and Minnesota discussions in this thread on the 13-14th probably helped to reinforce the message that things were looking up for VRC at the time, but I believe that without that tweet, that pump would not have happened..

Also Pat's tweet was made at 8:42 am - 14 Aug 2014. I don't know what timezone that is compared to what shows on Mintpal, but I would hazard a guess that the tweet was made around the beginning-middle of the pump. Prime time to reinforce the pump IMO.

You say that you are surprised by what Pat has NOT been doing. Well have you considered that perhaps if my assessment is correct, and that the devs have more influence on the market with their announcements than you give credit for, then maybe Pat (and others) are staying quiet during the times where they want people to lose faith and sell the price down so that they can buy in again at a low price for the next pump??

Also, you mentioned the dev's bags of VRC they hold and that they haven't dumped them etc. Sure that may be true, but that doesn't stop them from trading large amounts of VRC on exchanges does it?

If I were the devs, I would be just waiting a little longer for the price to drop again to around 8k, buying as much as I can afford and then spinning the shit out of whatever announcement it is they have in store and hyping it up as MUCH as i could.

But that's just me because I am not stupid, and I like money..

+1 Ya beat me to it..

EXCELLENT!

In reading through other threads, I have noticed that Vericoin is rapidly developing a reputation for having a very rude and obnoxious community.  After reading the past few pages it is not difficult to see why.

For those of you that claim to be supporters of the Vericoin, you do realize that most of the new investors you are trying to attract will visit this forum prior to making a buying decision.  Don't you?

I would like to challenge all of you to go back several pages and read them again from the perspective of a new investor investigating the merits of Vericoin.  Now be honest with yourselves and recognize that this potential new investor does not even know how incredibly brilliant you are.


Does this new investor see...

A: ...an active community (with a healthy amount of respectful disagreements) intelligently discussing the future of Vericoin and standing ready to perhaps "assist" the new investor with any questions they might have?

... or ...

B: ...a never ending amount of page filling quotes of quotes of still more quotes of quoted quotes of absolute drivel that has long ago strayed from the original topic and turned into nothing more than a contest to try to prove to the other(s) who has the biggest dick!?
 
If your answer is "A" please re-read the part about being honest with yourself.  If you answered "B" ask yourself (still from the perspective of a potential new investor) "Do I even want to be involved with this coin"?


Additionally, please be aware that you do not come across the way you might think you do in these slap fests to those of us who may be unaware of how special you are.  Instead, the reader can only conclude that...


1. You (that's right, YOU) are no where near as smart as you are attempting to portray yourself as being.
2. All participants most likely have to employ the use of special tweezers when using the restroom or you would not be so desperate to convince us that you are actually men.


Most of you know who you are but if you are not sure if you are included, there is an easy way to find out.  Are you angered by the above statements and/or are you attempting to find any spelling errors or improper sentence structure that can be used to "shut me up good" in a response to this post?  If so then yes,  I am asking you to grow up and learn to communicate like an adult.

Promise me that they really, really irritate you and I promise I will write even longer posts with that purpose alone.

I will even include some Botticelli's to cater to your "artistic" tastes...

Monkeys:

I will gladly do that since, tin foil hat excluded, you are much more sensible and critical thinker than the vast majority here.

First, like I said, I had sort of an explanation by Nosker, that I believe was true, although, like yourself, I fail to see the purpose of the transfer. If it is not enough for you, I once again, ask you to contact him via PM and I am sure he can copy/paste his answer to me, something I prefer not to do since, unbelievably, he doesn't seem to like to explain his altruistic intentions publicly. Once again, I believe him and his intentions although, on logical examination, they make no sense. Many of the things that Nosker has done regarding VRC make no sense. And many that he has NOT done, make even less sense (that he did not do them). You can file that in the arrogance/inexperience container, if you will.

The graphic that you posted does not, I repeat, does NOT, illustrate what happened: The "announcement of the announcements" took place much earlier than the 14th. And, as the graphic shows, achieved NOTHING. Like I have stated in a previous post, it was a rather desperate attempt by Nosker to stop the downside spiral of the price that had just gotten under 8k for the first time since launch. The price remained at the 8 level for quite a while and it was only after the announcement of the Minnesota Fair both, that I enthusiastically supported, followed by my proposal of the World Vericoin Day that the whole despair-filled content of this forum changed completely and the price spiked up to a max of just a few sat below 16k, de facto doubling from the lows of that very 24-hour period. I stated them that a sell off was inevitable considering the incredible gains of the last few hours but that the sell off would not take the coin down much. The "interesting weekend" tweet by Patrick came AFTER the top of almost 16 had been reached with the coin slowly stabilizing for many hours between 14 and 15th. No effect whatsoever, either. Not the initial one and neither this one. That's how it all happened.

I also disagree with you regarding "pumping". I believe the devs should do the best they can -which in this case is next to nothing- to prop up the perception of the investment community. There's absolutely nothing wrong with announcing some significant event in the near future, on the contrary. What is not acceptable is calling "significant" something that is utter nonsense. For instance, calling the moolah deal something significant. This is nothing new, by the way, so you don't need to be a visionary to figure it out: For months, Blackcoin pumped (of course serving the wishes of The Black Hand) the "moolah-like deal". When people realized what it was -and people realize these things pretty quickly- they gave absolutely no value to a link to a third party, just like they didn't give any to Vericoin's wallet link to moolah, so just observing what has happened before you can easily anticipated what in identical circumstances will happen to you... except if you are an arrogant ignorant that believes the same actions will produce different results just because you are involved (please note the delicate change of words: I have replaced with "ignorant" a less sensitive adjective in the original).

There are other examples that one would have expected people of relatively decent brain capacity to serve as a learning experience. The Chicago event, for instance. Or the Bitcoin Center event. Numero uno, nothing in terms of images, came out of those that was of any use. Anyone half decent at knowing what the point was, would have obtained a lot of images, including video, that would have conveyed the idea of "great interest". Zilch. Nada: On the contrary, what the few images available convey is the idea of some nerdy, deplorable meet with a few non interested losers looking for handouts. A VERY few of those, even. No excitement, no interest, no fun... NO-THING. And, of course, no lesson learned either. Sad, very sad.

One final thought that you may find usable and it is just my opinion based on perception and common sense: The entire stake of the three devs will be worth, currently, a maximum of $50k. If that. They enjoy this too much to exchange it for such paltry cash out. Furthermore, they do not need the cash. Not that paltry amount -roughly $15k each- and neither much more than that. So no, they are not benefiting at all of any "pumps". They, believe it or not, are enjoying this. It feeds their egos. They love the kiss ass "adoration" of the hard core choir boys. And love, even much more, the general adoration of the bagholders when the coin goes up in price, which they still believe will happen as a natural reaction to their greatness, even without doing anything. They love the whole shebang here, it is worth for them much, much more than $15k that they don't need and that will change absolutely nothing in their lives. In other words, they love the status quo because they cannot do nothing to change it for the better and trust no one, regardless, to take what they perceive to be a risk. That's why they don't set the path straight, they want to please the Litecoin guy, and the guys that ask them for anon. And for decentralized exchanges. And... anything but to set the only clear, workable path that would distinguish Vericon from the others and would give it a relevance and a meaning to survive... at the expense, of course, of those who keep asking for those things that every other coin either already has -and have tanked and fail in spite of it- or is in the process of implementing. The devs don't want VRC to succeed, they want it to be part of the pack, whether the entire pack survives or not.

Why the hell are people still replying to these two clowns? Dang, it feels like i'm reading spam when I look at their posts - long, dumb and ugly looking (kinda like that inartistic, unintelligible paper barabbas wrote). Can people stop feeding them please? Last few days its been alright, then mr. barabbas and that monkey guy come back on and it's a fucking spam fest, long, irritant posts that are a pain in the ass to even scroll through, let alone read.

no just was curious..

Not currently, but I do intend to buy some before the next pump.

I'll wait for 8k, that's my buy point.

Do you care to discuss or do you just intend to dismiss my comments because I don't currently hold any VRC?

barabbas or monkey , do either of you own any vericoin?

I like your thinking Barrabas. I may not agree with everything you say, or the delivery, but I do like the way you think in general.

So, would you care to enlighten us about what Pat's 'intentions' were with the 200k VRC and how they could possibly be of any benefit to VRC to have them on an exchange rather than in his wallet??

I literally can not think of any reason that he would transfer the coins to an exchange if he did not intend to sell them there.. I am open to suggestion, but I feel that any explanation will be a stretch at best..

I must say I disagree with your assessment of how little control over the VRC price the devs have. If you look at this chart:



The announcement said "There will be a big secret announcement made BY THE END OF THE WEEK". So, naturally people are going to anticipate the announcement and start to buy BEFORE the announcement is made... Since the price was still dropping most people would be wise to wait for it to stabilise after the initial "pre-ann" and then buy in awaiting the announcement, which is what I believe this chart shows.

This was further reinforced by Pats tweet on the 114th "This weekend could be exciting.", this was mid-pump, just reinforcing the incentive to buy in anticipation of the announcement.

Then obviously there was a massive dump and the price has been steadily declining since. Now back to roughly 9k.

Now, the reason this can happen is because a lot of people BELIEVE that VRC CAN succeed. Just take a look at this thread, it has some of the highest traffic of any crypto thread. I think that MOST people believe that VRC will rise again, they are just waiting for the right time to buy back in.

Basically, everyone is just watching, waiting for the next big announcement or release from VRC which will start the price rising again.

So, what that means is that the devs currently have a huge influence on the market. I for one believe they know this and are capitalising on this. I mean lets face it they aren't stupid, and they obviously like money. So why would they not want to capitalise on it?

One might argue that it would be better for them to just improve the coin overall and go for long term profits with their VRC bags that they hold. Well, I believe that they don't have much upcoming in the near future and they are looking for a way to profit from VRC in the short term with the little news that they do have.

It looks like they will be able to get TWO pumps out of this one announcement once it is finally made (if it is any good that is). The next pump will come immediately after the next announcement, which will come once the price drops to 8k or so again.

So, I'll now take off my tinfoil hat to discuss my assessment with anyone who would like to point out why my assessment is wrong?

Once again, I disagree. Completely, of course. First of all, the community rarely participate in these forums, only a few loudmouths. Sadly, in most cases, with nothing to say.l Nor should the community necessarily participate in the forums. It should participate FUNDING projects that are worthwhile. And staking. And in the later, they do. In spades.

As for the "excited" people it isn't that it isn't enough... the core of the matter is that some of those would do much better not doing anything because, frankly, they slow the pace of, worse, try to take the project in the wrong direction, distracting, confusing or rerouting... That said, the dev team should have clear and sharp as a whistle what the path to follow is, what the goals are and not stray into the nonsense they have and contionue having. The dev doesn't have neither the time, nor the dedication, nor the focus, nor the enthusiasm, let al,one the drive that is needed to take this project to the highest levels it can get. It is not surprising that, consequently, nothing is done or, worse, the most absurd things are done.

You point out the obvious... that no one so far has bothered to even see, let alone point out: For anyone not already somewhat familiar with crypto, the website, including it's most sensible content, Doug's paper, has the same effect as it was written in esperanto. Totally meaningless. Totally lacking purpose. Just another conventional copy paste hack with different graphics.

So, to put it straight, those enthusiastic, or excited, but toxic, should not do anything. More pointedly, those who lack the ...equipment to do anything, should do nothing. That includes a couple or three in that sentence of yours... and many others not mentioned too. Will and "excitement" will not make you or anyone run the 100 meters in under 12 seconds, get my meaning?

Wow, I just got up and have to read seven sites of disputing. That has nothing to do with community. If we keep on like this, we destroy the devs work.

You can think about Barrabas whatever you want but he's right in many points. Let's take the good things out of his long posts  and forget the rest.
In his paper he gave people a lot of arguments to be interested in VERICOIN that I don't find on the VRC Website. Apropos Website: how many of you have already put a link on their Website, FB and mail signature. That are the basics we can and should do.
 
Just a few excited people like the devs, Xosihc, Reavon, Kevondo, Socal and even Barrabas aren't enough to win the fight. We all have to do what is necessary, that's what is called a "community"

Now we are saved! I will be able to sell my VRC for at least triple the current price in no time!!!!!!

Regarding the highlighted question, I have received, via PM, an "explanation" and the assurance that Nosker did not benefit, or transacted, with those 200k VRC. I put the word "explanation" in quotes because, as explanations go, this one did not even pass the "e", for it made no sense whatsoever. But perhaps you'll have better luck if you asks Nosker via PM. He, apparently, has no problem given the "explanation" by that via instead of the general forum, even though he says it was 100% altruistic (which I believe, strangely enough).

I believe you are wrong when you say "...giving news, allowing pumps..." As a matter of fact I disagree completely. Nosker TRIED to pump the price by announcing "announcements" BEFORE the weekend (plural and timeline wise). It had no effects whatsoever, none. And the coin was hitting the lows since inception. It was, in my view, his only possible way to try to stop the spiral, to do "something". And, obviously had no effect, as stated.

Other than with the chorus line here, they, the devs, have no pull whatsoever because everyone and his aunt know they have nothing to bring to the table with enough substance to rise the price. They don't even have the time to dedicate to the coin, so no actual development of any kind is taking place or has taken place in many weeks now. Some "deal" seem to be forthcoming that I can assure you at the peril or being wrong that won't be more significant than another link to another third party. Face it: It's honesty and transparency. And that's it.

Enough? I don't think so. At all.

In all that "examination" that you did, you forgot the most important thing to even begin to understand anything related to me: That you are not me. As a matter of fact, I can assure you that you are as far away from who I am, for good, bad and in-between, as anyone can be. I would tray to use a metaphor to make you perhaps understand the difference in levels... but lets just say that I am much older than you are and leave it at that. Nothing that I do, from your standpoint, can be understood by you, no more that the reaction of Mork (nanu nanu) would be understandable to you.

That said, I have stated many times that I believe this coin could get much bigger relevance if properly managed and marketed. In other words, I see the potential of this projects way beyond what you and other cheerleading boys do. I have stated many times that a team that set the new standards for transparency in crypto and that, so far, has acted with honesty setting also a new standard for crypto in that department, could go a long way... under the proper premises. I have stated the quality of those premises, also, many times. That is why, until last week, I invested in VRC what for me is a significant amount. That is easy to understand, isn't it?

Fast forward to today and, still with my investment (traded the spike but bought back half of what I sold shortly after), and I have lost the faith that I had. As I have explained, and posted, NOT because the announcement is singular instead of plural after all -although that has influenced my perception, of course-, or because it was miscalculated and did not arrive on time or "on track" as Doug likes to say, but because the dev team and the community is absolutely blind and, in my opinion, will seal the fate of the coin into oblivion in a very short period of time. They still want to believe that doing nothing -oh they are "working hard", of course- or doing things of no substance whatsoever, is going to keep the coin going at whatever level. I fully disagree and believe that it will sink and keep on sinking. So I am counting on some losses, when all is said and done, but how I get rid of my stake in VRC is for me to decide in where and for how much.

Don't even try to understand, like I said.

The Veri First coin assembled and ready to go 

Now only have to assemble the other 99 and compose and print the Certificates of Authenticity and they will be ready to ship so lets say about two weeks from now give or take

Correction: You found the rubbish post