I know you mean well and recovering the XCP would be good for the community at large.
There is no reason to think that these users knew that there was something malicious going on when they took their gains.
Allow the users to make the choice themselves without being coerced.
There is no reason to think that these users knew that there was something malicious going on when they took their gains.
Allow the users to make the choice themselves without being coerced.
I don't think any user knew that there was something malicious going on when they took their gains (I myself bought some xcp @ 0.002)
but now we do know exactly what happened.
If i understand what you are saying than why don't allow all of poloniex users to make the choice for themselves and don't rollback?
the answer is simple in my opinion - if we can get everything back to where it was before the 35,000 xcp sell that will be the best thing for all users. For clarification i don't think any treats should be used i just think it will be helpful if we knew who we need to speak to in order to get this situation behind us asap.
I totally agree. I just don't want people getitng the wrong ideas
Yes why dont roll back the database to before the dump so the 6100 outstanding XCP are back to where they legitimately belong? (given busoni restores the BTC balances of those that withdrew their 6100 XCP after the dump because they would be out of BTC and XCP)
Which database are you talking about--Poloniex's or Counterparty's?
Im talking about the Counterparty Database. I guess the first attempt to roll back was well intended but was just a bit off by a few minutes with rolling back up until after the dump because the situation was not clear and a community consensus missing (still is). So by rolling back up until before the dump all the outstanding XCP will be back in their original holders pockets at Poloniex (sorry guys but the cheap XCP you withdrew are not meant to be yours) and if you busoni, refill the BTC balances of the users that withdrew their cheap XCP, everybody will be made whole again, as far as we can have an effect on it. Only the hacker's BTC would be outstanding in that case which he already pledged to return.
We cannot roll back BTC transactions, so what you are suggesting would require busoni to personally pay out-of-pocket for people's losses, i.e. around 100 BTC.
We hope that the hacker will do the right thing, but we cannot base our actions on that hope; we can only act "as if" the hacker has returned the BTC when he has returned the BTC. Until then, those who want to help make things right are encouraged either to donate to our "security bug" address: 14Tf35AovvRVURzd623q5i9kry2EW8WzyL or to busoni's donation address: 15buRLRW47AY9Md3mpFj17Yp6w4BtfMRjc.
No, I am only suggesting to fix the 6100 XCP outstanding issue by rolling those txs in the CP protocol back. The BTC for which those were sold should still remain on Poloniex so busoni wouldnt have to cover those from his own pocket.
The 80 BTC the hacker has to return, I have no solution for and hopefully he does return it.
If the above solution is not implemented Poloniex would be out of the 80 hacked BTC + 6100 XCP which before the hack traded for around 60 BTC. Both positions could be returned voluntary in theory by the hacker and those who withdrew their cheap XCP after the hack but I doubt it (at least the XCP). Is the benevolence of the community large enough to cover 140 BTC? Idk and I think we dont have to put that burden on the community, at least the outstanding 6100 XCP we can fix by ourselves by rolling back the hack related txs.
