[ANN][YAC] YACoin ongoing development - page 103.

Thirtybird

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Quote from: ShXnot on December 19, 2013, 04:42:55 PM

hi @Thirtybird
when i want to mine with your version i get this message :

Code:

[2013-12-20 00:03:58] Starting Stratum on stratum+tcp://yac.coinmine.pl:9088
[2013-12-20 00:03:58] 4 miner threads started, using 'scrypt-jane' algorithm.
[2013-12-20 00:04:01] Stratum authentication failed
[2013-12-20 00:04:01] ...retry after 30 seconds

i used this command in .bat file :

Code:

minerd-core2 -a scrypt-jane -q -o stratum+tcp://yac.coinmine.pl:9088 -O worker:worker_pass

is there any other setting that i missed?
am i did it right?
thanks

authentication failed? check your username & password - make sure your worker name is setup at the pool and make sure your settings in -O match.

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Quote from: Beave162 on December 19, 2013, 05:31:44 PM

YACoin is the fairest coin ever. People are able to mine it even now with a higher reward per block than the early adopters. I guess the best criticism of YACoin is that it really screwed the early adopters--particularly compared to other coins.

It was/is extremly fair compared to others.

I don't belive it's fair for a few early adopters to make huge amounts of money for just beeing at the right place and time. Since YAC prices crashed after launch everyone regardless skills/timing/equipment could buy that amount of YAC he wanted to buy. Everyone without a mining rig or expensive ASICs can mine so even if you weren't capable to spend a few bugs on YAC you could still get some for free.

This used to be the same on bitcoin, but only if you were damm early to the party. For YAC I belive people will still profit from buying into it a few decades from now while on bitcoin everyone that buys in a few years will get screwed hard. If you haven't got any bitcoins by then you will have to pay enormous prices and have the risk that noone will buy at the same insane prices you bought. PoW keeps YAC sane while on BTC it doesn't matter anymore.

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Quote from: Sahtor on December 19, 2013, 05:12:57 PM

I have an interesting point to Yacoin's popular criticism. People have accepted Peercoin as valid distribution and stable store of value. I agree with those people.

http://peercoinmyths.com/

Quote from: peercoinmyths.com

Myth 3 - Peercoin (PPC) was insta-mined.
Fact: “Some people like to point out the high mintage in the first few days of the launch, this is another misunderstanding. In the first few days of any publicly released cryptocurrency the mintage is going to be relatively high because difficulty is low and lots of miners would like to participate, causing blocks to be generated much faster than usual and resulting in high mintage per day. Unlike most other altcoins, we already tried to mitigate this by starting difficulty at higher initial value of 256 and also further reducing the number of low difficulty blocks via continuous difficulty adjustment.”

http://cryptometer.org/ppcoin_96_hour_charts.html

Quote from: Total Supply

Hour 24
Work Supply: 2 031 917,77 PPC

http://cryptometer.org/yacoin_96_hour_charts.html

Quote from: Total Supply

Hour 24
Work Supply: 1 964 914,70 YAC

Basicly Yacoin was as fair or fairer than Peercoin. I guess we should compare various "richlists" to see if the situation has leveled since then.

YACoin is the fairest coin ever. People are able to mine it even now with a higher reward per block than the early adopters. I guess the best criticism of YACoin is that it really screwed the early adopters--particularly compared to other coins. But in the end, it is good for everyone because more people will be interested and invested in it. This next NFactor change is going to be a crazy one.

Quote from: aso118 on December 19, 2013, 04:33:26 PM

Going back to something we talked about a while ago (I can't find the post right now)… But, how difficult would it be to create a 'super POS miner?' Right now I have dozens of transactions ready to mint, and my processor is only working at a few percent. I leave the computer on, with the wallet unlocked for minting, 24/7. It would be nice if I could turn on a 'super POS miner,’ increase my processor work to 90-100%, for a few hours once a week and then be able to use the computer for something else.

Anyone else interested in this? Maybe we could get a bounty started?

Edit: Another thought/question...

Is there an easy way to see the number of POS a wallet has had? Or which transactions are 'ready' to mint? Right have a have a massive excel sheet tracking which transactions have and haven't been minted. It would be much easier to see this through the block explorer or the wallet. Does something like this already exist?

aso, you can see dates and confirmations of your transactions pretty easily with coin control... just go to the send coins section and look at the 'inputs'. Perhaps there should be a more user friendly way?

Also, I am under the impression that even though PoS uses CPU, the ability to stake coins faster does not depend on CPU processor speed so increasing your CPU percentage used by the yacoin client won't benefit you. Am I wrong?

Sahtor

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I have an interesting point to Yacoin's popular criticism. People have accepted Peercoin as valid distribution and stable store of value. I agree with those people.

http://peercoinmyths.com/

Quote from: peercoinmyths.com

Myth 3 - Peercoin (PPC) was insta-mined.
Fact: “Some people like to point out the high mintage in the first few days of the launch, this is another misunderstanding. In the first few days of any publicly released cryptocurrency the mintage is going to be relatively high because difficulty is low and lots of miners would like to participate, causing blocks to be generated much faster than usual and resulting in high mintage per day. Unlike most other altcoins, we already tried to mitigate this by starting difficulty at higher initial value of 256 and also further reducing the number of low difficulty blocks via continuous difficulty adjustment.”

http://cryptometer.org/ppcoin_96_hour_charts.html

Quote from: Total Supply

Hour 24
Work Supply: 2 031 917,77 PPC

http://cryptometer.org/yacoin_96_hour_charts.html

Quote from: Total Supply

Hour 24
Work Supply: 1 964 914,70 YAC

Basicly Yacoin was as fair or fairer than Peercoin. I guess we should compare various "richlists" to see if the situation has leveled since then.

ShXnot

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hi @Thirtybird
when i want to mine with your version i get this message :

Code:

[2013-12-20 00:03:58] Starting Stratum on stratum+tcp://yac.coinmine.pl:9088
[2013-12-20 00:03:58] 4 miner threads started, using 'scrypt-jane' algorithm.
[2013-12-20 00:04:01] Stratum authentication failed
[2013-12-20 00:04:01] ...retry after 30 seconds

i used this command in .bat file :

Code:

minerd-core2 -a scrypt-jane -q -o stratum+tcp://yac.coinmine.pl:9088 -O worker:worker_pass

is there any other setting that i missed?
am i did it right?
thanks

aso118

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Going back to something we talked about a while ago (I can't find the post right now)… But, how difficult would it be to create a 'super POS miner?' Right now I have dozens of transactions ready to mint, and my processor is only working at a few percent. I leave the computer on, with the wallet unlocked for minting, 24/7. It would be nice if I could turn on a 'super POS miner,’ increase my processor work to 90-100%, for a few hours once a week and then be able to use the computer for something else.

Anyone else interested in this? Maybe we could get a bounty started?

Edit: Another thought/question...

Is there an easy way to see the number of POS a wallet has had? Or which transactions are 'ready' to mint? Right have a have a massive excel sheet tracking which transactions have and haven't been minted. It would be much easier to see this through the block explorer or the wallet. Does something like this already exist?

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One does not simply mine Bitcoins

Quote from: bitdwarf on December 15, 2013, 07:06:56 PM

Because they never figured out how to calculate profitability for YaCoin due to the special algorithms it uses.

To clarify - profitability can be calculated, eg. in my calc here http://yacexplorer.tk/static/calc.htm . However, you need to know your YAC hashrate first. When calculating profitability on sites like coinchoose, it is assumed that the same hardware gives 1000x lower LTC hashrate than BTC hashrate (for GPUs at least). So if you're getting 500 GH/s for BTC, you'll have approx. 500 kH/s in LTC hashrate. With YAC this is really unpredictable as it depends heavily on available caches, memory bandwidth and size. And it also changes over time.

For example, if you were to normalize this hashrate ratio by taking the performance of the most-used GPU for LTC mining, you might end up orders of magnitude off the real speed for a slightly different GPU model.
Say card A gives 500 MH/s for BTC, 500 kH/s for LTC and 5 kH/s for YAC.
Card B has 250 MH/s for BTC, 250 kH/s for LTC and still 5 kH/s for YAC (and it might also cost $100 less!).

(I just made these numbers up.)

bitdwarf

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The cryptocoin watcher

Because they never figured out how to calculate profitability for YaCoin due to the special algorithms it uses.

unvoid

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Why YAC isn't listed at coinchoose.com or coinwarz.com ?

Thirtybird

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Quote from: zzz111 on December 15, 2013, 01:17:32 AM

Win32/Trojan.1be Found in minerd-yacoin_stratum_x64.zip

Quote from: Thirtybird on December 10, 2013, 01:09:54 AM

Cracked it!!!

I was able to use the stratum version of CPU miner from pooler, and found the optimizations in the scrypt-jane library that mikaelh made, and I fixed the bug that prevented shares from being found and was able to compile them all into a series of x64 binaries for Windows.

These binaries should be as fast as the ones that you've been using, and also support stratum. I kept the "scrypt-jane" command line option - apparently changing it to "yacoin" just confused people (even though it's, well, wrong).

Please, post any feedback or any problems. PM me as an option - I've got some free time tonight and tomorrow morning (EST) to work on this.

minerd-yacoin_stratum_x64.zip - https://mega.co.nz/#!mwZTnTJD!M6V3Vnmj2Kxz1fhDP8K2LUFXjrtjM-OIcAoJS0S5afw

Source is available as well: http://github.com/Thirtybird/cpuminer

yep, every miner compiled with MinGW I have seen throws the same warning (depending on software). Please compile from source if you are concerned - it's why it is also published.

sairon

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One does not simply mine Bitcoins

Quote from: bandjhughes on December 15, 2013, 01:37:38 AM

Quote from: Joe_Bauers on December 14, 2013, 06:39:34 PM

A link to sairon's build is here - https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin/releases but if you mean adding the file as an attachment that can be downloaded directly from github, I can add that if it's helpful.

Hi, I haven't tried compiling the code yet, but I did try to run the binary. Unfortunately running the binary resulted in an "Error loading blkindex.dat" Cry

Yeah, the old blkindex.dat format is incompatible with this wallet version. You can delete it and run yacoin with '-reindex', should fix it. If not, try the loadblocks method - see the info here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annyac-coin-control-for-yacoin-is-here-first-altcoin-with-coin-control-276948

Dehumanizer

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Well, I can see how someone gets scared if he downloads the miner and his virus scanner alerts him about a trojan... Unfortunatelly some antivirus companies think there's no regular use to miners other than creating trojans with it.

bitdwarf

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Meh, I think someone is orchestrating another FUD campaign. It's all fun and giggles until financial regulations get people in jail.

Dehumanizer

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Quote from: Beave162 on December 15, 2013, 03:43:46 AM

Quote from: zzz111 on December 15, 2013, 01:17:32 AM

Win32/Trojan.1be Found in minerd-yacoin_stratum_x64.zip

Quote from: Thirtybird on December 10, 2013, 01:09:54 AM

Cracked it!!!

I was able to use the stratum version of CPU miner from pooler, and found the optimizations in the scrypt-jane library that mikaelh made, and I fixed the bug that prevented shares from being found and was able to compile them all into a series of x64 binaries for Windows.

These binaries should be as fast as the ones that you've been using, and also support stratum. I kept the "scrypt-jane" command line option - apparently changing it to "yacoin" just confused people (even though it's, well, wrong).

Please, post any feedback or any problems. PM me as an option - I've got some free time tonight and tomorrow morning (EST) to work on this.

minerd-yacoin_stratum_x64.zip - https://mega.co.nz/#!mwZTnTJD!M6V3Vnmj2Kxz1fhDP8K2LUFXjrtjM-OIcAoJS0S5afw

Source is available as well: http://github.com/Thirtybird/cpuminer

What is this?!?!

Some antiviruses detect coin mining software as trojans, how stupid is that?
I neither have or use Windows, but just for the sake of finding out what's going on I downloaded the zip file with windows binary from the link above and uploaded it at Metascan, which is an online antivirus scanner scanning the file with multiple antiviruses and 7 scanners marked the file as "Bitcoinminer trojan" or something similar... So nothing to worry about IMHO, as we know that's it's a miner software and that's what we expect :-)

If anyone wants to try it, here's the link to metascan: https://www.metascan-online.com/en
Just drop the zip file and press the scan button.

Dehumanizer

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Quote from: Joe_Bauers on December 14, 2013, 06:39:34 PM

Quote from: Dehumanizer on December 14, 2013, 07:36:55 AM

Since we now have a new version of wallet (thanks to developers) which fixes the major problem of extremely long startup time, I think you should upload this version to the official yacoin github... What do you think?

A link to sairon's build is here - https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin/releases but if you mean adding the file as an attachment that can be downloaded directly from github, I can add that if it's helpful.

I was thinking more about www.yacoin.org , but I don't know if it's even under your control as I am thinking about it now. If it's not, do we know who does have an access to it?
As it is now, the information lying around is quite inconsistent, www.yacoin.org linking to old versions and if someone is new to yacoin, they have to browse various forums and topics to get the relevant information and even then it's quite difficult to digest it properly.

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Quote from: zzz111 on December 15, 2013, 01:17:32 AM

Win32/Trojan.1be Found in minerd-yacoin_stratum_x64.zip

Quote from: Thirtybird on December 10, 2013, 01:09:54 AM

Cracked it!!!

I was able to use the stratum version of CPU miner from pooler, and found the optimizations in the scrypt-jane library that mikaelh made, and I fixed the bug that prevented shares from being found and was able to compile them all into a series of x64 binaries for Windows.

These binaries should be as fast as the ones that you've been using, and also support stratum. I kept the "scrypt-jane" command line option - apparently changing it to "yacoin" just confused people (even though it's, well, wrong).

Please, post any feedback or any problems. PM me as an option - I've got some free time tonight and tomorrow morning (EST) to work on this.

minerd-yacoin_stratum_x64.zip - https://mega.co.nz/#!mwZTnTJD!M6V3Vnmj2Kxz1fhDP8K2LUFXjrtjM-OIcAoJS0S5afw

Source is available as well: http://github.com/Thirtybird/cpuminer

What is this?!?!

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Quote from: Joe_Bauers on December 14, 2013, 06:39:34 PM

A link to sairon's build is here - https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin/releases but if you mean adding the file as an attachment that can be downloaded directly from github, I can add that if it's helpful.

Hi, I haven't tried compiling the code yet, but I did try to run the binary. Unfortunately running the binary resulted in an "Error loading blkindex.dat" Cry

zzz111

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Win32/Trojan.1be Found in minerd-yacoin_stratum_x64.zip

Quote from: Thirtybird on December 10, 2013, 01:09:54 AM

Cracked it!!!

I was able to use the stratum version of CPU miner from pooler, and found the optimizations in the scrypt-jane library that mikaelh made, and I fixed the bug that prevented shares from being found and was able to compile them all into a series of x64 binaries for Windows.

These binaries should be as fast as the ones that you've been using, and also support stratum. I kept the "scrypt-jane" command line option - apparently changing it to "yacoin" just confused people (even though it's, well, wrong).

Please, post any feedback or any problems. PM me as an option - I've got some free time tonight and tomorrow morning (EST) to work on this.

minerd-yacoin_stratum_x64.zip - https://mega.co.nz/#!mwZTnTJD!M6V3Vnmj2Kxz1fhDP8K2LUFXjrtjM-OIcAoJS0S5afw

Source is available as well: http://github.com/Thirtybird/cpuminer

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Quote from: Dehumanizer on December 14, 2013, 07:36:55 AM

Since we now have a new version of wallet (thanks to developers) which fixes the major problem of extremely long startup time, I think you should upload this version to the official yacoin github... What do you think?

A link to sairon's build is here - https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin/releases but if you mean adding the file as an attachment that can be downloaded directly from github, I can add that if it's helpful.

Dehumanizer

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Since we now have a new version of wallet (thanks to developers) which fixes the major problem of extremely long startup time, I think you should upload this version to the official yacoin github... What do you think?

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