Another new phase of Convid-19 due to unvaccinated people

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I mean it's well known by now that even if everyone is vaccinated there will still be limitations because the vaccination is not as effective in some people as it is in others. You can see that well in Israel. Although there are relatively many vaccinated, there are already lockdowns again because the Delta variant is spreading.

Israel mostly used the Pfizer vaccine, so it is actually surprising. Pfizer vaccine is supposed to be the most effective one out of the available brands, having an efficacy of 95% against symptomatic CoVID and almost 100% protection against hospitalization. If it is not effective against the Delta variant, then it is a cause for worry. Also, Israel was one of the first countries to achieve 60% vaccination rate. Is this a sign that the antibodies generated by the vaccine doesn't last for more than 6-7 months?

It is not about that at all, it is misinformation. Israel is basically doing better than some other nations who do not have lockdowns, they are just very careful and a great nation in healthcare, which means even when it increases just a bit they halt everything and go into lockdown, USA had probably a million times worse results and they didn't do a lockdown, there were 4-5 thousand people dying every single day in USA, we had weeks with more death than ALL OF IRAQ WAR, and they still didn't go into lockdown.

Do you really think the situation in Israel after so many vaccinated people, could be anything remotely close to that? Even in % let alone the real numbers? What you get with a very good heatlhcare nation is people living at home for a while and dropping the numbers even when it reaches unimportant levels just so they do not have to wait until it gets really worse. What you get with USA is tinfoil hat idiots who go against vaccination and die.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 28, 2021, 12:17:45 PM

You have to wonder why they suppress the research that indicates that natural immunity gives protection for 11 years after recovering fron cv infection. That is only true if you don't have a compromised immune system.

But how long are you compromised with your immune system? I don't think it is very likely that your immune system take years to recover from the vaccine. What about recovering from a cold? Would you be more vulnerable for corona then? Probably any disease will be bad in connection with corona. Also 11 years seems really long. Are you sure?

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You have to wonder why they suppress the research that indicates that natural immunity gives protection for 11 years after recovering fron cv infection. That is only true if you don't have a compromised immune system.

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Quote from: 5cousins on July 28, 2021, 04:58:06 AM

Lets forget rights here, the future of man kind is threated maybe what the people need is mandatory vaccination because its the unvaccinated that will be the source of reoccurrences of the virus.

You think if all the unvaccinted are isolated to stop the spread of the disease then the future of mankind will no longer be threatened by the disease or new ones?
In my community I'd focus more on healthy lifestyle and keeping the human body strong enough to fight and defend against any kind of disease

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At least you will be less affected mate, because the vaccine will boost your immune system and become more strong than none vaccinated people.
Meaning you can more to survive the dying with this corona .

though The healthy people will never become hardly affected but only those who has sickness specially internals and also this our life in which we must protect.

Basically vaccine build anti bodies in our immune system so that if the virus enters into our body it won't damage but once we are vaccinated the virus itself mutate into another form so your vaccine is completely useless in that case. Doctor says even if the efficacy is low still your immune system will act better towards the virus but I don't think we have any proffs to claim such statements.

It is not useless mate because the vaccine will safe you from not dying easily not like if you are not vaccinated that your prone from complication coming from this virus.
building your strong immune system from the vaccine is worth a lot specially for people like me that has internal illness .

It's not wise to say vaccines are useless, the reality is that in several countries where the population has started to be vaccinated, the spread of
COVID-19 has begun to decrease. Indeed, there is no 100% effective vaccine, but vaccines help increase the body's immunity, so that it is not
easily infected with viruses. Even some people who have been vaccinated, indeed some are still infected with COVID-19, but can reduce
the symptoms that appear. In addition to helping people who have internal diseases, vaccines are also beneficial for people who work in
vulnerable sectors such as hospitals. Although I won't deny that there may be side effects after a few years, but in an urgent situation like now
only the vaccine is the best option that we can take.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on July 27, 2021, 05:24:20 AM

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on July 27, 2021, 03:13:39 AM

Meanwhile wearing mask and getting vaccinated is not enough to save you from getting infected with covid 19 then why people should be bothering about?

Covid will not stop by wearing masks, etc and vaccines are making the Covid virus more furious due to mutations.

If you do your research, you will find that most viruses that cause disease in humans or animals have some variation. You should have faith in medicine. In the present we need to keep ourselves and those around us safe to avoid spreading. We just need time to find a new vaccine that completely controls it.

Vaccines can never be found with 100% efficacy rate so its just like a belief that the vaccine will be effective on your body which I am not getting it with covid vaccines and also no one seems to be care about the side effects of vaccines. In normal scenario it may take 10 or 20 years to find a vaccine with minimal side effects but with covid we found vaccines in less than a year which looks scary in my opinion when I think about its later effects.

I agree with you that vaccines will not reach 100%. But we don't have to be that perfect to achieve herd immunity. Those who have been infected and recovered will also have negative effects on their organs later on. So vaccine is the best thing to look forward to as it has defeated epidemics in the past.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on July 27, 2021, 03:44:28 AM

Quote from: Chato1977 on July 27, 2021, 03:27:50 AM

Quote from: jrrsparkles on July 27, 2021, 03:13:39 AM

Meanwhile wearing mask and getting vaccinated is not enough to save you from getting infected with covid 19 then why people should be bothering about?

Covid will not stop by wearing masks, etc and vaccines are making the Covid virus more furious due to mutations.

At least you will be less affected mate, because the vaccine will boost your immune system and become more strong than none vaccinated people.
Meaning you can more to survive the dying with this corona .

though The healthy people will never become hardly affected but only those who has sickness specially internals and also this our life in which we must protect.

Basically vaccine build anti bodies in our immune system so that if the virus enters into our body it won't damage but once we are vaccinated the virus itself mutate into another form so your vaccine is completely useless in that case. Doctor says even if the efficacy is low still your immune system will act better towards the virus but I don't think we have any proffs to claim such statements.

It is not useless mate because the vaccine will safe you from not dying easily not like if you are not vaccinated that your prone from complication coming from this virus.
building your strong immune system from the vaccine is worth a lot specially for people like me that has internal illness .

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Quote from: 5cousins on July 28, 2021, 04:58:06 AM

Lets forget rights here, the future of man kind is threated maybe what the people need is mandatory vaccination because its the unvaccinated that will be the source of reoccurrences of the virus.

My rights are not given by government. You ask to forget God. You must have done so already.

The ability for mankind to attempt to destroy humanity has existed for decades. A forgotten God will make it possible.

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Lets forget rights here, the future of man kind is threated maybe what the people need is mandatory vaccination because its the unvaccinated that will be the source of reoccurrences of the virus.

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At least, with vaccinated, our body can know and can protect if the virus is Covid so they will block the virus to spread on our body. We still need to consume healthy food and vitamins that will support our body to get well protection. This Covid virus can mutate to a new variant without us know and we have already seen that the Delta variant has been spreading to many places. We will see a New Normal soon, even if we already vaccinated. One thing that we will see that human will be more clean, will pay attention about the healthy life, will trying to protect their closest person in their circle.

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Personally, I would think much more about people than if they have been vaccinated, because these people after the two doses, they get COVID-19 and they have died, then the immunization as they believe does not exist. These cases have happened in Colombia and very little has given these cases the required importance.

On many occasions to think that they are completely well, they go to parties to different meetings and still get covid-19, I think that at least 5 years must pass before they launch an effective vaccine, people should be immunized with preventive measures and taking care of themselves a lot, for now I think it's the best option. Of course, those who are not vaccinated should take care of themselves, none are exempt from being given the virus, vaccinated or not, we all have the same risk.

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Quote from: Ucy on July 27, 2021, 05:26:18 AM

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Quote from: WNTRjon on July 25, 2021, 05:20:23 PM

Freedom of choice:

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Avoid others who don't volunteer to be infected by you.

Those are some reasonable choices to pick from. Freedom does not mean freedom to harm others and extend a pandemic.

I agree.

Just because we've got freedom, you're free to do as what your will wants. There's still a crucial and important situation that everyone has to consider during these hard times.

Those who are not believing the vaccine and wearing mask, please do not think of how lowly this virus is.

I consider mask safer because you are not getting man-made foreign things into your delicate body.
By the way, I wonder what those who want everyone to have the vaccine think concerning the possibility of cases where certain people are immune to the disease, or have strong immune systems that can easily prevent disease or "soldiers"/defenses that are able to fight and easily defeat the disease? What if these offers better protection from the disease than vaccine? How about natural treatments and cures?
Well, if they are not sure, one of the alternative safety measures in place of vaccines can be mask

It's not about being immune to the virus.

But it's about strengthening your body against the virus. Taking the vaccine doesn't mean that you're being immune but it's lessening the harm effects of the virus.

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Just a few points.

Vaccinated people are creating the variants. This is part of the survival process of viruses.

I saw one estimate that we are exposed to something like 3 trillion viruses every day, and out body copes with those. The primary defences get rid, or destroy, most of the pathogens, and this is so for vaccinated and non-vaccinated people. This means that everybody is potentially infectious. With covid, the important point for a health herd is not the spreaders, but the receivers. You can't stop it spreading, and you shouldn't want to. It is better to gain immunity, than to live in fear with a weak immune system.

Masks don't protect you, and they reduce your ability to handle exposure to the virus. The mesh in the mask is too large to stop the virus, but it does mean that you will re-breathe some of your exhaled toxins. If you belive in masks, then you should eat your own excrement, as that is another major way that viruses are spread.

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Quote from: Ucy on July 27, 2021, 03:58:35 AM

The important question is has that been proven? Does it mean that the vaccinated cannot spread the disease? It is better to be very careful with words. They can be used to judge and condemn the speakers in the future.

Nope , Vaccinated people can still spread the Virus because their Body can stand for the big effect but they still can carry the virus and that is what i still not understand, why there are no vaccine that can totally kill the virus and not just helping people to be protected slightly .

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Quote from: boyptc on July 27, 2021, 05:01:57 AM

Quote from: WNTRjon on July 25, 2021, 05:20:23 PM

Freedom of choice:

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Avoid others who don't volunteer to be infected by you.

Those are some reasonable choices to pick from. Freedom does not mean freedom to harm others and extend a pandemic.

I agree.

Just because we've got freedom, you're free to do as what your will wants. There's still a crucial and important situation that everyone has to consider during these hard times.

Those who are not believing the vaccine and wearing mask, please do not think of how lowly this virus is.

I consider mask safer because you are not getting man-made foreign things into your delicate body.
By the way, I wonder what those who want everyone to have the vaccine think concerning the possibility of cases where certain people are immune to the disease, or have strong immune systems that can easily prevent disease or "soldiers"/defenses that are able to fight and easily defeat the disease? What if these offers better protection from the disease than vaccine? How about natural treatments and cures?
Well, if they are not sure, one of the alternative safety measures in place of vaccines can be mask

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Quote from: LazerPanther on July 27, 2021, 04:52:00 AM

Quote from: jrrsparkles on July 27, 2021, 03:13:39 AM

Meanwhile wearing mask and getting vaccinated is not enough to save you from getting infected with covid 19 then why people should be bothering about?

Covid will not stop by wearing masks, etc and vaccines are making the Covid virus more furious due to mutations.

If you do your research, you will find that most viruses that cause disease in humans or animals have some variation. You should have faith in medicine. In the present we need to keep ourselves and those around us safe to avoid spreading. We just need time to find a new vaccine that completely controls it.

Vaccines can never be found with 100% efficacy rate so its just like a belief that the vaccine will be effective on your body which I am not getting it with covid vaccines and also no one seems to be care about the side effects of vaccines. In normal scenario it may take 10 or 20 years to find a vaccine with minimal side effects but with covid we found vaccines in less than a year which looks scary in my opinion when I think about its later effects.

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Quote from: WNTRjon on July 25, 2021, 05:20:23 PM

Freedom of choice:

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Avoid others who don't volunteer to be infected by you.

Those are some reasonable choices to pick from. Freedom does not mean freedom to harm others and extend a pandemic.

I agree.

Just because we've got freedom, you're free to do as what your will wants. There's still a crucial and important situation that everyone has to consider during these hard times.

Those who are not believing the vaccine and wearing mask, please do not think of how lowly this virus is.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on July 27, 2021, 03:13:39 AM

Meanwhile wearing mask and getting vaccinated is not enough to save you from getting infected with covid 19 then why people should be bothering about?

Covid will not stop by wearing masks, etc and vaccines are making the Covid virus more furious due to mutations.

If you do your research, you will find that most viruses that cause disease in humans or animals have some variation. You should have faith in medicine. In the present we need to keep ourselves and those around us safe to avoid spreading. We just need time to find a new vaccine that completely controls it.

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The problem with the spread of covid-19 is that the fight is not being treated in a holistic manner. The world has become a global village and there is free movement of people from one country to another. Therefore, the fight against covid-19 through vaccination should be holistic, not country by country. As you are concentrating on vaccinating your country's people, citizens of less vaccinated countries will render it less effective through free movement.

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The important question is has that been proven? Does it mean that the vaccinated cannot spread the disease? It is better to be very careful with words. They can be used to judge and condemn the speakers in the future.

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