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Topic: Another solo miner with approximately 86TH solved a solo block - page 2. (Read 266 times)

legendary
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Keep in mind that a mining farm is also a solo miner but with a higher hashrate. Also, it is not just the address that indicates this is a solo miner it is the fact that the miner is not sharing the work with other miners and the work they perform is unique (on a block that is different from every one else).

it all depends on if the block data collation and the setting of which asic gets which work is managed by the asic owner locally or by a pool manager remotely
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it is not about if the winner gets 98% or 0.00x% of a reward. its about who manages what work an asic is given.

if the work is chosen collated and distributed by a manager remotely. then that manager is a pool.
if an asic has its own bitcoin node and that node collates its block purely for its asic. LOCALLY then that is solo

This is a personal opinion held strongly by franky1. It is not an incorrect way to think about the differences between solo and pool mining, but it is also not the only way of describing solo mining.  It is not even the most commonly accepted description of solo mining. While there are others that would agree with franky1 that you are not "solo mining" if you are not personally running and managing the software that creates the block headers, it is far more common to describe solo mining in reference to the mining rewards.  For the majority of people, you are solo mining if you ONLY earn a reward when one of YOUR hashers find the solution to a block, and your are pool mining if you share in the rewards when hashers run by OTHERS in the pool find a solution to a block.

If a pool exists where the rewards are shared among participants based on the amount of hash power that they each contribute to the pool, BUT each participant gets to run their own software to choose for themselves which transactions are included in the block (and builds those blocks themselves), would you call that solo mining? Since the rewards are being shared, most wouldn't. I've asked this question of franky1 in the past and haven't gotten an answer from him yet, so I'm not sure what his thoughts are on that or where it fits into his opinion of how to define "solo mining".

imagine it like employment.
pool mining is a boss that sends work orders to employees. and they do the work passed to them and get paid based on the work done
the difference with CK is that he has interns that are unpaid for their daily work and he just pays 98% of business income to the employee of the month that met a target.

totally different than independant self-employed workers who themselves create their own work and get paid from the work they do

While I like this analogy, I think an alternative analogy that more closely matches would be to consider "pool" miners as those that are actual "employees".  They get paid their salary (or hourly wage) regardless of how much money they personally bring in for the business, and regardless of which employee in the company completes the job that all the employees are working on. An employee that works more hours will get paid more since he did more work, but everyone that works gets paid.  Solo mining with this analogy would be more like an independent contractor.  The contractee still assigns the jobs for the contractor to do, but the contractor only gets paid for the specific tasks that they successfully complete. The revenue that the contractor generates for the contractee is not shared among any other employees of the contractee nor any other contractors that the contractee may have contracts with. Some contractors may choose to go out and find jobs independently, others may rely on a service to find the jobs for them (and will then have to pay a small fee for that service), but in either case, they only get paid for the specific tasks that they successfully complete

legendary
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Keep in mind that a mining farm is also a solo miner but with a higher hashrate. Also, it is not just the address that indicates this is a solo miner it is the fact that the miner is not sharing the work with other miners and the work they perform is unique (on a block that is different from every one else).

it all depends on if the block data collation and the setting of which asic gets which work is managed by the asic owner locally or by a pool manager remotely

every asic within a pool does not repeat the same work as another asic. as thats just stupid inefficiency.
the difference between solo and pool. is not about if a asic is or isnt doing the same work. it is not about if the winner gets 98% or 0.00x% of a reward. its about who manages what work an asic is given.

if the work is chosen collated and distributed by a manager remotely. then that manager is a pool.
if an asic has its own bitcoin node and that node collates its block purely for its asic. LOCALLY then that is solo

ck POOL is a pool. CK manages what work the connected asics do. not the asic owner.
the block collation and simple hash to work on is not created locally at the asic user level. its created at the pool level, by the pool owner.

put it this way. if a solo miner was solo. there would be no need for ck at all. and no need for ck to retain 2% of ITS block template reward creation. (yep ck pool made the blockheader and the template includes the coinbase payout decision)

imagine it like employment.
pool mining is a boss that sends work orders to employees. and they do the work passed to them and get paid based on the work done
the difference with CK is that he has interns that are unpaid for their daily work and he just pays 98% of business income to the employee of the month that met a target.

totally different than independant self-employed workers who themselves create their own work and get paid from the work they do
legendary
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Is it not more likely that a big enough mining farm mines to a lot of different reward address, making it appear as many small solo miners?
What would be the incentive?

Keep in mind that a mining farm is also a solo miner but with a higher hashrate. Also, it is not just the address that indicates this is a solo miner it is the fact that the miner is not sharing the work with other miners and the work they perform is unique (on a block that is different from every one else).
newbie
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Is it not more likely that a big enough mining farm mines to a lot of different reward address, making it appear as many small solo miners?

Is there ANY indication that it isn't the case? It sure does look like the sun is going around the earth, but there is another explanation.

Even if the said-to-be-different-miners were connected with different IP addresses the whole time, invalidating the possibility of a change of IP address between blocks found, I would still suspect one farm with a bunch of IP addresses. That is so much more probable.
legendary
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all pools give each asic unique data. but that data is managed by a pool.
even the ck pool manages what data an asic gets. thus its not a solo miner.

the difference of ck pool is not about the mining. but the rewarding.
ck pool is a 98% reward pool. not a 'solo miner' thing.

yes that guy is lucky to have got 98% of a block reward. instead of a 0.00x% share. but for the next few hundred years its getting nothing.

https://solo.ckpool.org/pool/pool.status
using the stats of the users and asics
{"runtime": 50640030, "lastupdate": 1643159450, "Users": 2223, "Workers": 13310, "Idle": 533, "Disconnected": 343}

https://btc.com/stats/pool/Solo%20CK
using the stats of last 10 blocks found by the POOL
720,175    6.25 + 0.30800548 BTC    2022-01-24 11:59:13
718,379    6.25 + 0.01810839 BTC    2022-01-13 00:34:07   
718,124    6.25 + 0.10461270 BTC    2022-01-11 06:56:58
712,217    6.25 + 0.04444555 BTC    2021-12-02 10:27:03   
706,369    6.25 + 0.02885278 BTC    2021-10-23 23:50:10
689,382    6.25 + 0.21643754 BTC    2021-07-02 06:36:03
660,588    6.25 + 0.86256768 BTC    2020-12-09 06:19:21
632,928    6.25 + 0.37420818 BTC    2020-06-03 22:29:30
621,073    12.5 + 0.26845492 BTC    2020-03-10 10:41:08
618,616    12.5 + 0.17632101 BTC    2020-02-23 08:13:22

it has only found 10 blocks in 23 months
those 13310 asics means ~ 2551 years before each asic has achieved a win (if fairly spread)
or because users have more then one asic
these 2223 users will need to mine for 426 years to each have a chance of a win.

yes one guy has got ~$220k($6.25*$35k) and a different guy got it 2.3months later(average) .. but the same guy is not going to probably get another $220k for another 400 years+
legendary
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How lucky they are but how many days or months do they mine that block with a reward?

I can't afford to solo mine due to the high Electricity rate compared to the other miners who mine solo with hydropower.

Maybe that users who mine solo with this hashrate have free electricity If I have the same thing I can stay solo mining.
legendary
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Two weeks ago, a solo bitcoin miner mined block 718124 with 126TH of mining power.

Recently few hours ago, another solo miner mined block 720175 with approximately 86TH.

Solo block on http://solo.ckpool.org
Block hash: 00000000000000000007ed90d289f313c4f19a44438f3c4c55eca1637c4c8702
Height: 720175
Block Reward: 6.25000000 BTC
Fee Reward: 0.30800548 BTC
Tx Count: 2,815

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/720175

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