Topic: Anti-Bitcoin Socialist Propaganda in New Zealand - page 3. (Read 10505 times)

These are fair points and looking back at my original comments, I was more referring to the Paul Krugman's of the world, not someone who uses her dishwasher as an argument.    That is laughable but I look at these as opportunities to push the truth you speak of.  Their arguments should be easy to destroy, yet I wasn't seeing any of that in this thread.  Which is why I posted.  I still disagree that dismissal is the right way and at the same time, you can't chase every nut job with no knowledge of which they speak around the corner.  I get that. 

If we realize it will get worse, which it will, we should be prepared.  This is war and war is not won with bombs and bullets.  It is won in the hearts and minds of the people.  And no matter how ridiculous their arguments, they are affecting the hearts and minds of the people.  That matters because it is the people who will ultimately decide.

With chips!!   

There is no "turning" Bitcoin into anything.  It is evolving on it own.  I fear you simply lack vision.  The fact that all you can do is hurl insults instead of putting together logical arguments says more about you than it does about me.  I can't dumb down my arguments any further to cater to you.  You are entitled to your opinions and I respect that.  My comments stand.  Cheers to you, my friend.

Bitcoin has me nonetheless, and while you may think Bitcoin is some little currency for Bitcoin only business, the majority of this forum disagrees with you.  Why do you think all these posts are seeking ways to get legitamate businesses to accept Bitcoin?  Hmm...seeing the Dropbox posts?  How about all the Paypal posts?  Do I really need to continue?

Now maybe 2 years ago that's what Bitcoin was, but that makes you a dinosaur now, just like these folks in the video.  You're just on the opposite side of the spectrum.  Trust me when i say, you're thinking is in the way.  And it's going to get run right over.  Either by true visionaries of Bitcoin or by the ignorant who were never properly educated.  Either way, tires marks are in your future.

To reply to the generality of comments since my last.  You can wallow in the arrogance of ignorance but without businesses accepting Bitcoin, Bitcoin is dead.  So you can talk the tough stuff, but it's people like these that sway public opinion and public opinion is what drives business innovation.  

If the general thinking is that Bitcoin is a scam, detriment to society, etc., then it's bad for business and business will not adopt it.  Period.  So, Bitcoin can bypass government all it wants...that's great.  But if you're also bypassing business, Bitcoin is dead.   Also remember, legislators control big business.  Business has much more to gain from following legislators than it does Bitcoin.  (Or so they will continue to think)  Tax breaks and fewer regulations is what businesses think about.  These savings can equate to far larger profits than low transaction costs and anonymous transactions are mostly irrelevant to legitimate business.

Now don't get me wrong, I fully believe in Bitcoin and Crypto as a whole but mostly I still see, "waaa, waaaa, waaa" instead of anything logical or intelligent that can sway public opinion.  Don't think public opinion matters?  Then Bitcoin is already dead.  It just hasn't laid down yet.  These are of course, just my opinions.  I want Bitcoin to be a success and thats the only reason I've spoken so aggressively about this topic.

Instead of being dismissive, trying leading them out from the darkside and into the light of Bitcoin through intelligent and rational commentary that clearly debunks the false propaganda being spread.  Simply put, the Bitcoin community is going to have to get alot better at PR.  Because mostly what I'm seeing is a disaster.  Mostly...I stress...because a couple of you do have a clue so...use it.  

EDIT:  Now that I'm thinking about it, that's what the Bitcoin community needs.  A good PR firm and if you really want to go to war against false propaganda and potential legislation, a lobbying firm.  Basically we've got the "Bitcoin Foundation", which for the most part seems to me, like a bunch of clowns who are letting the Bitcoin brand get assassinated at every turn.  Hmmm...food for thought I suppose but the way we're going is not going to work.

+1

Jamie Dimon CEO of JP Morgan Chase said "You have to be very strong mentally to get where you want to be in life" 

   wtf???

Oh, yeah ... I think we can safely be dismissive.

These are not people to be argued with, since they will never, ever be swayed by any argument, however compelling. The only way to change these people's minds is to take away their taxpayer-filled feeding troughs.

And that's what bitcoin allows us to do ... we don't have to explain to them how we are doing it, why we are doing it or grovel for their permission to do it ... or why they are wrong to want to keep feeding from their free troughs.

We just do it, like Satoshi.

Wow. Just. Wow.

They are so mind numbingly ignorant...

These people are scary. So glad again I don't have a TV. TV truly makes you dumber. I feel sad for the people who watch this drivel.

And so glad I have no clue who these people are even though I live there!

Might I suggest to some, instead of ignorantly dismissing these folks as outdated hacks, you take this opportunity to refine your arguments.  So far, I have barely heard a reasonable argument to anything they've said.  Just dismissive rhetoric.  That is childish behavior and if the Bitcoin community is hoping to go up against the legislators and economists of the world, YOU better know what YOU'RE talking about.  Passion and belief does not make a winning argument, because even outdated hacks can tear most of you novices to pieces in a round table discussion like this. 

They mentioned Paul Krugman.  Yeah, the Pulitzer winning economist.  While I couldn't disagree more with MOST of their statements, simply disagreeing isn't going to win any debates against minds like Paul Krugman.  If you're not prepared to step on that stage, might I suggest remaining quite, as to not make the whole of Bitcoin look like a bunch of whining elementary kids, playing around with their "hacker science project."  It only serves to help their arguments.  Just saying...

/rant over

Well, I liked the video cuz it made me LOL throughout.  Thx for sharing. 

It reminded me of this famous quotation:

    "What a waste it is to lose one's mind- or not to have a mind. How true that is."

    - Dan Quayle, 44th Vice President of the United States

You do have to admit that their worry about the apparent disability of paying taxes on bitcoin is a somewhat valid one. If suddenly a majority of people would no longer pay any taxes then the entity you owed taxes to earlier, in this case the governing body, will do everything in their power to get that tax money back, one of which ways could be to make it highly illegal, causing its value to plummet. Not to mention that no taxes would be quite problematic for things such as schooling, the agencies responsible for keeping water clear of any dangers and the FDA for keeping out food clean, or even the FCC to keep standards going. Heck, imagine the horrific situation we would be in if all government grants were to suddenly disappear.

I'm probably in the age range of the people in this video and yet they appeared old school to me. The video felt like something from the 70's. This way of things is dying. The video was full of poorly drawn conclusions and outright falsity and felt like propaganda, which is odd because with the access to information most of us have today, this kind of crap just won't fly like it did in times past.

That's not Bitcoin's wrongdoing, that's NZ's. If New Zealand accepted it for taxes, then what they say is completely false.

Just because you don't like it, and I don't like it, does not make it socialist.  If anything this video is statist and FUD.  The only point that they say is true is that you can't pay taxes with it. 

This video makes me sick

Bizar interviewees. Where do these people get their facts from?