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hero member
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February 08, 2014, 08:54:06 PM
#30
Apple's app store is nothing but a forum where merchants gather to sell products. If you were a landlord renting a space you couldn't discriminate against a legal business unless that business has done something wrong, disruptive, or illegal.

Really?
You think a mall doesn't have the right to choose what sort of stores is hosts?


Yes and no... A mall can't legally refuse to rent an available space to a business for discriminatory reasons. Discriminatory meaning without a reasonable cause or based solely on discretion without supporting evidence...

If the mall does choose to refuse renting a booth or a stall they should be able to show a valid reason for the decision that a judge would consider reasonable just in case the prospective tenant feels the decision is discriminatory and chooses to seek legal remediation where the circumstances can be evaluated and the situation resolved...

It's a good example you provided because malls certainly do refuse certain businesses and usually don't get taken to court.

Recently in my area a popular local mall refused a tattoo shop from renting an available space. Apparently the tattoo shop didn't fit within the image that the mall was trying to promote. The mall was taken to court over the decision not to rent the space. The tattoo shop won the case because the shop was legally permitted to operate in the zoning district that the mall is located in, they met all the legal criteria to operate the business lawfully, and they were able to convince a judge that the mall didn't have a valid reason for denying the rental application. The only thing the mall accomplished in this case was allowing a lot of free publicity for the tattoo shop.

So yes and no... They can get away with it sometimes but it's not legal...
legendary
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February 08, 2014, 07:39:13 PM
#29
I am not against any Apple products if they are sold 30% cheaper Cool
(Apple make OK products, they are just overpriced)

legendary
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February 08, 2014, 07:11:55 PM
#28
I was going to keep my current iPhone and maybe even upgrade to a new one. 

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legendary
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February 08, 2014, 01:24:32 PM
#27
This has nothing to do with anti-competitive practices. Apple is not producing a software like Bitcoin and competing with other software producers for a share of the market. You fanaticism for Bitcoin made you all so delusional that you cannot even understand what are you talking about.

They intend to, pretty shortly.

They're releasing their own cryptocoin or another form of currency?
legendary
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February 08, 2014, 12:37:58 PM
#26
This has nothing to do with anti-competitive practices. Apple is not producing a software like Bitcoin and competing with other software producers for a share of the market. You fanaticism for Bitcoin made you all so delusional that you cannot even understand what are you talking about.

They intend to, pretty shortly.
sr. member
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February 07, 2014, 02:41:02 PM
#25
Apple's app store is nothing but a forum where merchants gather to sell products. If you were a landlord renting a space you couldn't discriminate against a legal business unless that business has done something wrong, disruptive, or illegal.

Really?
You think a mall doesn't have the right to choose what sort of stores is hosts?
hero member
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February 07, 2014, 01:31:06 PM
#24
Any of the start up companies or venture funded companies who are affected negatively by Apple's unreasonable position...

There's plenty of people who would benefit from an IOS app. Apple is certainly depriving a legitimate market for whatever reason and it really should be challenged...

None of the affected companies owns the Bitcoin software. So how are they going to argue in court about something they do not own?

The companies don't need to own the Bitcoin software any more than they would need to own the dollar. They can sue for financial loss if they are harmed by the actions of another entity. Apple's decision not to allow Bitcoin apps on it's app store is harmful to these companies and because these companies are legal entities they can seek legal remedy.

Apple's app store is nothing but a forum where merchants gather to sell products. If you were a landlord renting a space you couldn't discriminate against a legal business unless that business has done something wrong, disruptive, or illegal.

This should be resolved in court.
legendary
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February 07, 2014, 01:23:19 PM
#23
Read the case I linked. It is sufficient that monopolistic power in one market is used to restrain trade in another market in a way that has a significant effect on interstate commerce.

a) Apple don't have monopolistic power in the smartphone space
b) Removing this app is so far from having 'a significant effect on interstate commerce' as to be laughable

Note that neither of these things has anything to do with whether or not Apple has a business presence in the payments market or competes with Bitcoin in any way, which was my point. Such a case would be very, very hard to win, but not because Apple doesn't compete in the payments market.
sr. member
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February 07, 2014, 10:53:19 AM
#22
Read the case I linked. It is sufficient that monopolistic power in one market is used to restrain trade in another market in a way that has a significant effect on interstate commerce.

a) Apple don't have monopolistic power in the smartphone space
b) Removing this app is so far from having 'a significant effect on interstate commerce' as to be laughable

Oh, and to the OP: you would file a suit, not a suite.
legendary
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February 07, 2014, 10:14:30 AM
#21
I would love to see this, but doubt it will happen. Apple's genius is getting you to pay £500 for a device which is primarily used to make Apple money.

Isn't that how most companies work? lol
legendary
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February 07, 2014, 10:02:12 AM
#20
Now who is gonna have the balls (or money) to try sue them?
newbie
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February 07, 2014, 08:49:16 AM
#19
Apple... only for Hipsters  Grin
newbie
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February 07, 2014, 04:55:22 AM
#18
I am leaning towards the anti-trust side of this debate, but I admit there are good arguments on both sides. The railroad analogy works, but luckily (or unluckily?) Apple does not have a competing payment service that we can point to as the 'smoking gun.'

Apple and Google--being the dominant smartphone operators--are now in a dangerous position to guide the consumption of products on their platform. If they begin selectively excluding certain players for the benefit of others, then we have a legitimate anti-trust argument... we may be headed there, but I don't think we are there quite yet.

Apple just needs to get its head out of its ass and be more OPEN about their approval/rejection process. I've read countless stories from one side of this debate... and I would love to hear Apple comment on this speculation.

Great thead about this at Hacker News BTW:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7193327
vip
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February 07, 2014, 03:41:17 AM
#17
Any of the start up companies or venture funded companies who are affected negatively by Apple's unreasonable position...

There's plenty of people who would benefit from an IOS app. Apple is certainly depriving a legitimate market for whatever reason and it really should be challenged...

None of the affected companies owns the Bitcoin software. So how are they going to argue in court about something they do not own?

They do not need to. A payment processor who is adversely affected by Apple's decision, a merchant who is forced to pay higher transaction fee, the list of businesses who are adversely affected here is endless. 

Apple is not a payment processor. They are not compenting in that market. So what exactly this affected business are going to dispute in an anti-trust suite against a hardware/software poducer?
legendary
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February 07, 2014, 01:59:26 AM
#16
Any of the start up companies or venture funded companies who are affected negatively by Apple's unreasonable position...

There's plenty of people who would benefit from an IOS app. Apple is certainly depriving a legitimate market for whatever reason and it really should be challenged...

None of the affected companies owns the Bitcoin software. So how are they going to argue in court about something they do not own?

They do not need to. A payment processor who is adversely affected by Apple's decision, a merchant who is forced to pay higher transaction fee, the list of businesses who are adversely affected here is endless. 
hero member
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February 07, 2014, 01:20:30 AM
#15
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vip
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February 07, 2014, 01:17:15 AM
#14
Any of the start up companies or venture funded companies who are affected negatively by Apple's unreasonable position...

There's plenty of people who would benefit from an IOS app. Apple is certainly depriving a legitimate market for whatever reason and it really should be challenged...

None of the affected companies owns the Bitcoin software. So how are they going to argue in court about something they do not own?
hero member
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February 07, 2014, 01:14:16 AM
#13
The day Apple creates something similar to Bitcoin you will have something to argue about. Otherwise, your analogy is meaningless.

Word around town is, that Apple indeed does have a payment system on the way.  I doubt it is the same as Bitcoin, but its close enough that its the motivation for them removing Bitcoin apps.

-B-
hero member
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February 07, 2014, 12:55:44 AM
#12
This is why it is imperative that actions against Apple be started in multiple jurisdictions, so for example if an Anti Trust case were to fail in the United States a Competition Case could for example succeed in the EU etc. In the Microsoft case after not much success in the US there was a good success in the EU.

LoL

Started by who? Satoshi Nakamoto? The Bitcoin foundation? Who is going to pay for the legal expenses?

Any of the start up companies or venture funded companies who are affected negatively by Apple's unreasonable position...

There's plenty of people who would benefit from an IOS app. Apple is certainly depriving a legitimate market for whatever reason and it really should be challenged...
vip
Activity: 756
Merit: 503
February 07, 2014, 12:48:15 AM
#11
This is why it is imperative that actions against Apple be started in multiple jurisdictions, so for example if an Anti Trust case were to fail in the United States a Competition Case could for example succeed in the EU etc. In the Microsoft case after not much success in the US there was a good success in the EU.

LoL

Started by who? Satoshi Nakamoto? The Bitcoin foundation? Who is going to pay for the legal expenses?
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