Any problems with *CHIPMIXER* coins? - page 2.

Yamane_Keto

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I started to see some members of the forum avoiding joining mixer campaigns and suddenly, in the same week, all staffs who were wearing mixers signatures stopped at same week and did not try to join any other mixing predictions campaign, so did I miss something?

@mocacinno

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It was a great week to be honest. We have lost few staffs. We will miss them. I am looking forward to work with them in the future. You will be missed.

One here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SLhz6zEmBSrlZ0wNJDMvKI5vOgBZzVjG8b9FlXpn-oQ/edit#gid=598916694
Is it a coincidence?
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It looks like all you're going to get in this tread from this point on is glib one line posts from Signature Spammers echo-chambering what has been said already without actually contributing anything to the discussion.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on March 19, 2023, 04:47:55 AM

YAh, another topic about mixers.
*My friend* has some coins that were mixed during the past years, moved them into cold storage, and he wants to sell them in the future.
Are there any complaints about closing KYCed accounts, tax reports or problems that resulted from depositing ChipMixer mixed coins? Specifically after ChipMixer.com has been seized.

- Yamane

If there's an ongoing investigation, your friend has something to worry about, but it's better to find the best option using a decentralized exchange and transferring from one wallet to another are so far the best options, your friend is still lucky, right now his coins are in cold storage compared to the others who just traded their coins on centralized exchange making them a possible suspect if there's investigation rolling so you can find the best solution like what you're doing right now.
Your friend's issue s also the dilemma of others who traded on CM, or who still have coins coming from Chipmixer.

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Exchanges with Terms of service for KYC/AML will be risky to send his mixed coins to.

Fortunately, there are no KYC exchanges that don't mind about KYC and AML at least before they change their policies and Terms of service. Your friends can do his own research and use them as destination for his coins.

https://kycnot.me/

Not my advice for your friend safety and security for his coins.

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Your friend should expect the worst, so it's better not to be complacent. It's better to be safe than sorry. After all, foolishly labeling some coins as "tainted" is becoming a thing now with centralized platforms. So although I haven't heard of funds locked in relation to the seized Chipmixer, it could very well happen anytime. The immediate precedent is Tornado Cash, and there were funds frozen. So I guess avoiding centralized exchanges is a must. Erasing those coins' traces with Chipmixer is also called for.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on March 21, 2023, 03:44:07 AM

Quote from: JeromeTash on March 19, 2023, 03:10:19 PM

I don't remember in the recent weeks when 1 sat/vbyte transactions could have a chance of getting confirmed in the next few blocks. Maybe he could try 3-5 sats/vbyte.

You could always check the latest block traffic and suggested TX fees here: https://mempool.space/

It's my number one transaction fee estimation site mate. Most especially right before I make a transaction.

I can challenge any member here to let me know if they had any of their 1 sat/vbyte transaction get confirmed in the last 2-3 weeks.

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It has never been any secret that any given CM coins were associated with CM. This has always been the case thanks to blockchain analysis. I don't see any reason why CM being seized would change anything about any previously received coin from CM.

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I see a lot of people have suggested solutions like:

- Use P2P/DEXs or that do not require KYC.
- Create multiple transactions before you send them.

All of them are solutions that may succeed in making you withdraw your money, but if a deep analysis is done in the future, you may fall into a problem because the transaction history is preserved and the platform has your central data.
and using P2P mean you move that problem to another user.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on March 19, 2023, 04:47:55 AM

YAh, another topic about mixers.
*My friend* has some coins that were mixed during the past years, moved them into cold storage, and he wants to sell them in the future.
Are there any complaints about closing KYCed accounts, tax reports or problems that resulted from depositing ChipMixer mixed coins? Specifically after ChipMixer.com has been seized.

- Yamane

Your friend doesn't necessarily need to use regulated entities like centralized exchanges to sell their bitcoin. They can contact people in the local area and ask them if they would like to participate in peer-to-peer exchanges involving real goods and decentralized digital currency. Moreover, it may well be that by the time your friend decides to get rid of some part of bitcoin holdings, bitcoin will have already achieved the status of globally-accepted currency, which means all people around will be aware of bitcoin and willing to accept it in exchanges without problems. They won't be asking your friend about the source of funds because globally adopted currencies are by default interchangeable and fungible, which means coins from seized ChipMixer will be no different from coins sold by the US government.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on March 19, 2023, 03:10:19 PM

I don't remember in the recent weeks when 1 sat/vbyte transactions could have a chance of getting confirmed in the next few blocks. Maybe he could try 3-5 sats/vbyte.

You could always check the latest block traffic and suggested TX fees here: https://mempool.space/

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on March 19, 2023, 04:47:55 AM

YAh, another topic about mixers.
*My friend* has some coins that were mixed during the past years, moved them into cold storage, and he wants to sell them in the future.
Are there any complaints about closing KYCed accounts, tax reports or problems that resulted from depositing ChipMixer mixed coins? Specifically after ChipMixer.com has been seized.

- Yamane

Use Bisq to swap the bitcoins for another altcoin, and then buy those bitcoins back using a different DEX like tradeogre.

No substitute to using a real mixer by any means, but exchanges are currently too dumb to identify such coins as "anonymizes coins".

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Quote from: bitmover on March 19, 2023, 02:57:10 PM

Thanks for the video link. Have bookmarked, will check it out tonight.
I already have told that I have deposited little amount of BTC almost directly from mixer in centralized exchange. Got no problem. Exchanges want to have their limit because they are happy with more coins on their exchange. However, on chain analysts don't have that limit.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on March 19, 2023, 04:47:55 AM

YAh, another topic about mixers.
*My friend* has some coins that were mixed during the past years, moved them into cold storage, and he wants to sell them in the future.
Are there any complaints about closing KYCed accounts, tax reports or problems that resulted from depositing ChipMixer mixed coins? Specifically after ChipMixer.com has been seized.

- Yamane

So far there is none because its too early to tell, their concern now is catching the owner of Chipmixer he'll have to testify or the authorities makes him spill out about the data that they've seized, while you have the time you can transfer it to wallets that you own or trade it from one exchange to another so if ever the coins will be disassociated to the mixer, and as long as you are not a hacker or a scammer and for a legal reason you want your coins to be private there's nothing to worry about.
The authorities will probably go for big-time scammers and hackers not for small fish because this is part of the main reason why they seize Chipmixer.

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Quote from: bitmover on March 19, 2023, 09:38:42 AM

He can simple make a few hops, about 5 transactions is enough

Let's suppose this is his situation:

ChipAddresz > Address1

He just need to make soemthing like this, inside his own wallet.
ChipAdd > Add1 > Add2 > add3 > add4 > add5 > exchange
as he is transfering to himself, he can use 1 sat/vbyte in those transactions. he can also split the values.
this is make those coins look to be far from the mixer and the exchange wont notice them (most likely)

This will not work if the exchange that he will deposit to has one of those stupid analyzers about tainted coins
Some of them work their score by going up the source multiple times till they encounter something fishy, an already blacklisted address or a known cold wallet to whitelist the source, if you just move the entire balance the last coins will get the same score add5=add1, so the best way to get rid of it would be to mix somewhere the source of funds with another batch of coins if add4 contains 50% add3 and %50 coinbase coins the risk score will drop in half, just a raw explanation as I don't know all the variables.

But that beings said there are a lot of users here who have deposited mixed coins, including me by mistake to exchanges, of course, it might also be a case of volume, the frequency of deposits, being already KYC for a long time so fewer filters maybe, but still large exchanges have never said a thing.
Scammy instant exchanges that can't wait for a second to fleece a user by inventing all kinds of stories, that's a different thing and I would advise anyone to avoid them completely.

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Quote from: bitmover on March 19, 2023, 09:38:42 AM

as he is transfering to himself, he can use 1 sat/vbyte in those transactions. he can also split the values.

I don't remember in the recent weeks when 1 sat/vbyte transactions could have a chance of getting confirmed in the next few blocks. Maybe he could try 3-5 sats/vbyte.

Alternatively, OP's *friend* could just use no KYC p2p exchanges like bisq, hodlhodl. He is just too worried for nothing.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on March 19, 2023, 10:32:17 AM

Would that really change the fact that he didn't use a mixer? No, because all of his txs will be identifiable easily by on-chain analysts I think as there are a lot of different criteria, and clues they use. Well, I'm saying this in general, not necessarily applied to OP.

I believe that an exchange will not make a complex on-chain analysis/investigation on every user. They will just look a few transactions back (at most) looking for "tainted" addresses.

if you look coins whole history you will see that a lot of coins have been in a mixer or casino at some time, so they must put some kind of limit to their search. Like the past 2-3 transactions.

There is a good video by Andreas Antonopoulos about it:

Bitcoin Q&A: Blacklists, Taint, and Wallet Fingerprinting
https://youtu.be/BILcJ3WtdLQ?t=195

He explain exactly that, there is a limit in transactions (hops) which the exchange is going to look back.

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Quote from: bitmover on March 19, 2023, 09:38:42 AM

He can simple make a few hops, about 5 transactions is enough

Let's suppose this is his situation:

ChipAddresz > Address1

He just need to make soemthing like this, inside his own wallet.

ChipAdd > Add1 > Add2 > add3 > add4 > add5 > exchange

as he is transfering to himself, he can use 1 sat/vbyte in those transactions. he can also split the values.

this is make those coins look to be far from the mixer and the exchange wont notice them (most likely)

Would that really change the fact that he didn't use a mixer? No, because all of his txs will be identifiable easily by on-chain analysts I think as there are a lot of different criteria, and clues they use. Well, I'm saying this in general, not necessarily applied to OP.

@OP, I have deposited ChipMixer chips in a centralized exchange and I got no problem so far. That was to break the link of my personal saving wallet/cold wallet. For no other purposes I used mixer though Cheesy

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Quote from: bitmover on March 19, 2023, 09:38:42 AM

He can simple make a few hops, about 5 transactions is enough

Let's suppose this is his situation:

ChipAddresz > Address1

He just need to make soemthing like this, inside his own wallet.

ChipAdd > Add1 > Add2 > add3 > add4 > add5 > exchange

as he is transfering to himself, he can use 1 sat/vbyte in those transactions. he can also split the values.

this is make those coins look to be far from the mixer and the exchange wont notice them (most likely)

Yeah or even simpler, he could just exchange his BTCs to XMR and after that, swap from XMR to BTC again. Monero will protect his identity.
It could be done via P2P, like on Bisq or any other platform providing P2P services.

Your friend could also imagine to cash out his BTC from an ATM, and buy again BTC with this cash from an other ATM.
In this second scenario the fees would be more important.

Quote from: Yamane_Keto on March 19, 2023, 04:47:55 AM

Are there any complaints about closing KYCed accounts, tax reports or problems that resulted from depositing ChipMixer mixed coins? Specifically after ChipMixer.com has been seized.

Most of the regulated CEX (even each one I guess) would mark your account in a SAR form once they have access of the Chipmixer's addresses. Most of them probably already own a list, we could imagine that Chainanalysis for example is proactively working on it, if it is not already done of course.
Depending on your past activity on the CEX, the amounts and the frenquency of your exchanges, you could be blocked, asked for Source of funds documents, and for more explanations. In some cases funds could be seized, it already happened in the past

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on March 19, 2023, 04:47:55 AM

YAh, another topic about mixers.
*My friend* has some coins that were mixed during the past years, moved them into cold storage, and he wants to sell them in the future.
Are there any complaints about closing KYCed accounts, tax reports or problems that resulted from depositing ChipMixer mixed coins? Specifically after ChipMixer.com has been seized.

- Yamane

He can simple make a few hops, about 5 transactions is enough

Let's suppose this is his situation:

ChipAddresz > Address1

He just need to make soemthing like this, inside his own wallet.

ChipAdd > Add1 > Add2 > add3 > add4 > add5 > exchange

as he is transfering to himself, he can use 1 sat/vbyte in those transactions. he can also split the values.

this is make those coins look to be far from the mixer and the exchange wont notice them (most likely)

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on March 19, 2023, 04:47:55 AM

YAh, another topic about mixers.
*My friend* has some coins that were mixed during the past years, moved them into cold storage, and he wants to sell them in the future.
Are there any complaints about closing KYCed accounts, tax reports or problems that resulted from depositing ChipMixer mixed coins? Specifically after ChipMixer.com has been seized.

- Yamane

if he is distraught, he can re-mix coins through one of the currently active services. or to exchange them through one of the exchanges that do not require mandatory KYC. Just only the most straightforward examples.
some services tried to keep the coins earlier (before this closing of ChipMixer) because they came from the mixer. All are under the umbrella of the AML fight. For example, read this thread and watch account fixedfloat statements as representative of one exchanger.

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