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September 05, 2013, 06:30:49 AM
#66
Thanks legendster
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September 05, 2013, 05:09:50 AM
#65
Hi All,
We are coming up with Crypto currency in India, We raised seed funding and lot of coding is done

We are able to convience few of the top online ecommerance sites to accept Laxmi Coin


Please support us and here is our opencoin.in Link

http://opencoin.in/general-laxmicoin-discussion/laxmi-coin-for-india-and-international-market/

and Bitcointalk.org link

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/laxmi-coin-for-india-and-international-market-287485

Looking for support from everyone

Thanks, Mitts


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September 04, 2013, 05:46:27 PM
#64
Hi All,
We are coming up with Crypto currency in India, We raised seed funding and lot of coding is done

We are able to convience few of the top online ecommerance sites to accept Laxmi Coin


Please support us and here is our opencoin.in Link

http://opencoin.in/general-laxmicoin-discussion/laxmi-coin-for-india-and-international-market/

and Bitcointalk.org link

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/laxmi-coin-for-india-and-international-market-287485

Looking for support from everyone

Thanks, Mitts
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September 04, 2013, 02:35:34 PM
#63


What makes the price go up or down?


buysellbitco.in sounded as if der is some "magic" trick up every experts' sleeve  Tongue
I know abt supply and demand and confidence but fail to understand how an expert will be able to judge dese 2 factors correctly and use it to his advantage.


The answer to that can be found in an old contest posted and hosted by Benson (I guess??) Buysellbitcoin.in himself

Here is my response :

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1) what makes the prices of bitcoins go high and low, i just didnt understand the concept??


I will try to keep things SIMPLE and in retrospective of a common man especially in INDIA who knows a little bit about how a currency works and how a normal forex trading works.

First why price rises : The price for any given currency won't remain the same.

Lets say I have 100 Green colored bucks (not mentioning any particular currency) AND lets say I want to sell these and get 120 RED colored bucks NOW because you are buying it from me and I am demanding a profit (of +20 red colored bucks).
THIS Profit level is determined by me as I am the seller and this is what I think I can make off of my green colored bucks.
KEEP IN MIND that initially the green & the red bucks were equal in value but as soon as I sell it at this price my Green Bucks become +20 more valuable than the buyer's Red bucks.
FOR the price of the currency to actually move up (or for me to actually sell my green bucks at this profit) there needs to be MORE BUYERS WITH RED BUCKS than sellers like me with GREEN BUCKS... ONLY THEN the price of my Green bucks move UP.

NOW why does the price of a currency fall ?

Simple if there are more sellers than buyers for my currency the price will fall.

The same logic can be applied to the Bitcoins as well considering the fact that Bitcoins are also a CURRENCY.

SINCE Bitcoins are fairly 'new' as a 'self sustaining currency' there are a lot of speculations that play into the factor of rising it's value or crashing it, market speculations etc etc.. JUST like a normal currency.

Remember that Buyers are people that want something that is in a limited supply. So when the demand is High AND the supply is low (or constant) the price rises higher.

In Bitcoins case the supply is always limited atleast till 2140 so it's value can be comparable to Gold.

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And what is bitcoin address, is it our physial home address, or some email address ??

No not a physical home address but YES a lot alike and almost similar to an email address. Only difference here is that you get only payments as transaction and no 'emails'. These addresses can easily be generated by a Bitcoin wallet for free of cost. And you get your very own personal Bitcoin wallet that you can host on your computer from www.bitcoin.org


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Where can I use these bitcoins?
Do Indian shoping websites accept them??

You can spend these bitcoins at any merchant's store that accepts Bitcoins. Currently there are a very few number of international websites where you can buy with bitcoins but no Indian ones.
Its almost like paypal that is until RBI banned them. It is new it will take time to find acceptance.


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I mean tell what is the real advantage and use of buying them???

To be honest there is no real advantage in buying one currency against another unless you know that there is a huge boost to the value of that particular currency coming in the near future. With Bitcoins the Price has risen from mere cents to $200+ over the small life time it has lived so far and there is still more to come. But if you really get to the core of the coins then I can say bitcoins are great because there is no Third-Party Seizure which means that even the governments can’t freeze someone’s wealth, and thus the Bitcoins owners will have complete freedom to do anything they want with their money. The next great thing about bitcoin is that there are No Taxes here, other than voluntary donation; there is also no way to track a transaction other than a publicly announced bitcoin wallet address that links the owner of the wallet to all the transactions that occur on it.

But the most alluring fact to any merchant should be that in the bitcoin world there are No Risk of “Charge backs”.

I mean isnt this the reason why people / merchants hate Paypal or credit cards ?? Grin

I think these reasons are more than enough to describe how cool Bitcoins really are.

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2) please help me understand the exact role of bitcoin in daily life and how can it replace currency notes and its functioning

I personally dont think Bitcoins will ever replace the paper currency. I mean just because the Internet exists doesnt mean no one uses the SW radio or the Post or paper-mail (bills/home posted bank statements/letters etc) .

But it WILL take over the online world very very soon. Just imagine you can send your money from one country to another without paying ANYONE in between not even the governments. This way if you want to buy something in USA being in India, you will be paying for the EXACT price of that commodity & nothing extra (other than the shipping offcourse Tongue )

But again in terms of a common man : An Indian worker working in Dubai can send money directly to his home without paying ANY KIND OF TAXES.


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3) 1st What is Bitcoin ?

Bitcoin is the future of finances online and perhaps offline.

Quote me if you want to.

I m going to quote www.bitcoin.org

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Bitcoin is a digital currency, a protocol, and a software that enables

    Instant peer-to-peer transactions
    Worldwide payments
    Low or zero processing fees
    And much more!

Bitcoin uses peer-to-peer technology to operate with no central authority; managing transactions and the issuing of bitcoins is carried out collectively by the network. Through many of its unique properties, Bitcoin allows exciting uses that could not be covered by any previous payment systems.


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July 25, 2013, 03:52:42 PM
#62
Another shocker this week. SEC (SEC in USA = SEBI in India)

https://www.sec.gov/servlet/Satellite/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.UfGMiI3VA3S

SEC charges a Texas guy of running a Bitcoin based ponzi scheme. If you read the full indictment, you will get to know some real and shocking facts. The US law is so vast that if they want to, they can charge anyone with something or the other felony.

and, here's the real kicker:

"Any investment in securities in the United states remains subject to the jurisdiction of the SEC regardless of whether the investment is made in U.S. dollars or a virtual currency. In particular, individuals selling investments are typically subject to federal or state licensing requirements."

Another part of the fact within US law that most of the exchanges oversee is that, according to US Law, it is not required that the servers, the company or the owner be a US citizen or a resident. If the exchange hosted in someother parts of the world does business with a US Resident / Citizen, then the business is liable for prosecution. Simply put, if they have any proof that funds as little as a single dollar has been moved to the exchange, then DOJ has the powers to prosecute and charge the owner of the business. (Some examples are Liberty reserve, megaupload etc etc)

This is one of the reasons, burnside (owner of BTCT exchange) has put forth a discussion to probably ban all traffic from United States.
resulting in such a huge dip in all the shares traded on BTCT exchange yesterday.

So if you are planning to start a exchange in India, make sure you take note of this. You need not be accepting fiat directly. Exchanges accepting only bitcoins also come under prosecution if any individual from US trades on your exchange. Startups from India should be extra careful because USA has an active extradition treaty with India.

Just my 2 cents.

More discussion about this can be found here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sec-charges-bitcoin-savings-and-trust-btcst-as-ponzi-scheme-261235
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July 19, 2013, 10:09:09 AM
#61
No idea about icici but on axis bank it's 200 rupees something fees for per inward remittance.

Thats dead cheap! Thanks for the info Cheesy
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July 19, 2013, 08:02:08 AM
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No idea about icici but on axis bank it's 200 rupees something fees for per inward remittance.
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July 19, 2013, 07:19:03 AM
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Indian can do trading on mtgox and other trading sites, there's no resctriction about that, main problem is you can't deposit/withdraw fiat easily as international bank wire fees is quite high.

Do you have an idea about the kind of fees for wire transfers? I'm asking coz I'm finishing with an app which accepts only cryptos (Bitcoin, Litecoin etc) and I want to withdraw after a certain threshold. But I have no idea about the wire fees (I have HDFC/Axis bank accounts). If the fees are too high, then I can withdraw in big chunks rather than withdrawing for each transaction.

"Withdrawals
Wire transfers are currently taking up to 1 week to process due to the volume of withdrawal requests in queue.

If your withdrawal is larger than 10,000 USD (equivalent), it will take at least 2 weeks to process.

Withdrawals typically take 2-5 full business days to reach your bank, provided that you have included all required information such as your full name and address as it appears on your bank statement.

Mizuho bank charges a fee of 2,000 Yen for the withdrawals."

https://support.mtgox.com/entries/21649594-Withdrawals-and-Deposits

2000 YEN is around 20$ now.

Hey thanks for the info.

2-5 Business days and 20$ per transfer? Sucks! I'm using BIPS ( disclaimer: referral link Wink ) for processing payments. They charge a flat fee of 7.5USD for wire transfer, which is okay I guess (since i'll only be withdrawing after a certain threshold). But I'm more worried about fees that i'll need to pay to my bank (Axis/HDFC). Any idea on that? Smiley
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July 19, 2013, 07:02:15 AM
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Indian can do trading on mtgox and other trading sites, there's no resctriction about that, main problem is you can't deposit/withdraw fiat easily as international bank wire fees is quite high.

Do you have an idea about the kind of fees for wire transfers? I'm asking coz I'm finishing with an app which accepts only cryptos (Bitcoin, Litecoin etc) and I want to withdraw after a certain threshold. But I have no idea about the wire fees (I have HDFC/Axis bank accounts). If the fees are too high, then I can withdraw in big chunks rather than withdrawing for each transaction.

"Withdrawals
Wire transfers are currently taking up to 1 week to process due to the volume of withdrawal requests in queue.

If your withdrawal is larger than 10,000 USD (equivalent), it will take at least 2 weeks to process.

Withdrawals typically take 2-5 full business days to reach your bank, provided that you have included all required information such as your full name and address as it appears on your bank statement.

Mizuho bank charges a fee of 2,000 Yen for the withdrawals."

https://support.mtgox.com/entries/21649594-Withdrawals-and-Deposits

2000 YEN is around 20$ now.
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July 19, 2013, 06:53:47 AM
#57
Indian can do trading on mtgox and other trading sites, there's no resctriction about that, main problem is you can't deposit/withdraw fiat easily as international bank wire fees is quite high.

Do you have an idea about the kind of fees for wire transfers? I'm asking coz I'm finishing with an app which accepts only cryptos (Bitcoin, Litecoin etc) and I want to withdraw after a certain threshold. But I have no idea about the wire fees (I have HDFC/Axis bank accounts). If the fees are too high, then I can withdraw in big chunks rather than withdrawing for each transaction.
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July 19, 2013, 05:45:01 AM
#56
I trade on MtGox. There is 0 chance I will trade on an exchange that charges 3% each way. Just to enter and exit a trade, it's already a 6% hit.

I used to be a market maker on Bitfloor when it was around. Bitfloor actually paid liquidity providers for each transaction, rather than charging. That's the way to add liquidity to your exchange, especially when you're just starting.


1) What are the barriers faced by Indians (residents) that prevent them from trading on MtGox ?


Indian can do trading on mtgox and other trading sites, there's no resctriction about that, main problem is you can't deposit/withdraw fiat easily as international bank wire fees is quite high.


Currently it's like

Fiat -> Exchanger Fees -> Bitcoin -> Mtgox  -> Bitcoin  -> Exchanger Fees -> Fiat

and in this process sometimes people loose more money than they earn via trading due to exchanger's fees and price fluctuations.
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July 19, 2013, 05:17:41 AM
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I trade on MtGox. There is 0 chance I will trade on an exchange that charges 3% each way. Just to enter and exit a trade, it's already a 6% hit.

I used to be a market maker on Bitfloor when it was around. Bitfloor actually paid liquidity providers for each transaction, rather than charging. That's the way to add liquidity to your exchange, especially when you're just starting.


1) What are the barriers faced by Indians (residents) that prevent them from trading on MtGox ?

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July 19, 2013, 02:22:14 AM
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x) Traders. They do not operate in India. They directly work with MtGox, Bitstamp and X, Y, Z. But normally does not worrk with C in above. Why ? Well the % cut of c in India is a bit ted high for them and they can not justify it. They do a good volume, more than 50 BTC for sure. If you want to open exchange try to eye them. It will be very hard for you to get them in as they are used to work with liquidity which will be chicken egg problem for you.

I trade on MtGox. There is 0 chance I will trade on an exchange that charges 3% each way. Just to enter and exit a trade, it's already a 6% hit.

I used to be a market maker on Bitfloor when it was around. Bitfloor actually paid liquidity providers for each transaction, rather than charging. That's the way to add liquidity to your exchange, especially when you're just starting.

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July 18, 2013, 01:13:30 PM
#53

If you ask Warren Buffet, he will have a very simple answer Greed and fear.


^ This.

Bitcoin Going UP = Greed = BUY BUY BUY
Bitcoin Going Down = Fear = "SELL SELL SELL"

On a sidenote take an appointment from dr.fontas he will tell you more about pumping/dumping.
 Grin

The thing  you are  talking  about is the   after  effect of  change  that happens. i.e. greed and  fear  only comes into  effect  when the  curve  either  dips  down or  up.  but  what causes  the  curve  to  go  up and   down  are  many. Most  of them  being  over supply or  under supply.

this  case  can  be better  demonstrated  with the  recent   drop in  BTC. this  drop  happened  because  of  a  sudden  supply  of  ASICS  in the  market, a  small number  of  people  got  the  ASIC's and  started to mine.  they  earned   a  good  number  of  BTC .  however  the  BTC  is  useless to them  unless  they  get  services  or fiat.  this  sudden rise  in  supply of  BTC  in the hands  of  a   few  increased  supply. there  for  the  prices  started  to  drop  because  of  a  few  who  needed  to offload the btc.

My prediction  on the ASIC arms  race  is that  this  will  only  bring  down  prices.  may be  in  another  3 months  it  will stabilize and  go  stable  for  another  2-4 years  till Q-chips  start's becoming  viable  to mass produce, well when  that happens  i  guess  things  are  just  going  to  sky  rocket. 
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July 18, 2013, 01:01:46 PM
#52

statistical forecasting

pls elaborate or post any helpful link. Where do you get bitcoin stats for da analysis?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forecasting

there  are  many  ways  to  predict changes  in  demand  and  supply.  but  all in all ther  is  always  an element  of  risk  regardless   of  how  good  you  do the maths  and   try to  eliminate  risk of  unpredictable  changes. 
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July 18, 2013, 12:27:11 PM
#51

statistical forecasting

pls elaborate or post any helpful link. Where do you get bitcoin stats for da analysis?

You can find links of charts and data here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/useful-links-131829
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July 18, 2013, 12:25:21 PM
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statistical forecasting

pls elaborate or post any helpful link. Where do you get bitcoin stats for da analysis?
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July 18, 2013, 12:24:13 PM
#49

If you ask Warren Buffet, he will have a very simple answer Greed and fear.


^ This.

Bitcoin Going UP = Greed = BUY BUY BUY
Bitcoin Going Down = Fear = "SELL SELL SELL"

On a sidenote take an appointment from dr.fontas he will tell you more about pumping/dumping.
 Grin
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July 18, 2013, 12:17:32 PM
#48

What makes the price go up or down?

BTC  Shocked
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buysellbitco.in sounded as if der is some "magic" trick up every experts' sleeve  Tongue
I know abt supply and demand and confidence but fail to understand how an expert will be able to judge dese 2 factors correctly and use it to his advantage.
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I am glad you took in the right spirit....your question not just for bitcoins but for any commodity or security which is traded will not yield any meaningful answer. If you ask Warren Buffet, he will have a very simple answer Greed and fear.

An expert today is a fool tomorrow....John Paulson is the apt example for the present context.

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July 18, 2013, 12:16:40 PM
#47

buysellbitco.in sounded as if der is some "magic" trick up every experts' sleeve  Tongue
I know abt supply and demand and confidence but fail to understand how an expert will be able to judge dese 2 factors correctly and use it to his advantage.

statistical forecasting
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