Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping? - page 2.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on January 13, 2015, 02:26:34 AM

Quote from: deluxeCITY on January 13, 2015, 12:26:13 AM

There are a lot of people on the forum that strongly believe that you should always 100% control the private keys to your bitcoin. Any tipping feature that is "on forum" would obviously not allow that. Some people could leave a tab open for their blockchain.info wallet, or could leave multibit open all the time. I really don't think copying and pasting an address is that big of a deal to someone when they care enough to be giving away money.

Most people won't care that much about keeping a tiny amount of btc with a third party to tip, but if they do then those people just wouldn't likely be interested in using it anyway (also sometimes it's just not possible to control your keys eg on an exchange). I'd certainly tip people if it was implemented but I'm not going to log into my wallet every time to do so just to send a bit of dust. The transaction fees wouldn't be worth it and that's where microtipping comes in.

Yeah that ^

Keeping 100% of your keys is extreme. I guess there are some people who keep all their money in cash under the pillow. But guessing the majority keep most in a bank/invested some in their wallets and some change in the car. So keep majority in cold storage some on your phone/hot wallet and maybe few bucks for tips etc...
I'm not firing up my wallet and copying pasting address to tip a buck

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Quote from: deluxeCITY on January 13, 2015, 12:26:13 AM

There are a lot of people on the forum that strongly believe that you should always 100% control the private keys to your bitcoin. Any tipping feature that is "on forum" would obviously not allow that. Some people could leave a tab open for their blockchain.info wallet, or could leave multibit open all the time. I really don't think copying and pasting an address is that big of a deal to someone when they care enough to be giving away money.

Most people won't care that much about keeping a tiny amount of btc with a third party to tip, but if they do then those people just wouldn't likely be interested in using it anyway (also sometimes it's just not possible to control your keys eg on an exchange). I'd certainly tip people if it was implemented but I'm not going to log into my wallet every time to do so just to send a bit of dust. The transaction fees wouldn't be worth it and that's where microtipping comes in.

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Quote from: deluxeCITY on January 13, 2015, 12:26:13 AM

Quote from: TheButterZone on January 13, 2015, 12:21:20 AM

Which is why addresses in profiles should be converted to bitcoin: hyperlinks and QR codes, no copy-pasta needed.

I think there was some kind of vulnerability a while back for people who had used "bitcoin:" links over a short period

https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0021.mediawiki

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Quote from: deluxeCITY on January 13, 2015, 12:26:13 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on January 12, 2015, 11:55:11 PM

Quote from: deluxeCITY on January 12, 2015, 11:40:31 PM

Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post.

As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included

There's likely 'no real need' for many things but it is a nice addition. How many people will actually boot up their wallet to copy and paste an address and send a tip here? A third party application just makes it more convenient and a bit of fun, not to mention you'll actually know where the money came from. I think it can also act as a nice 'plus 1' feature but one where people can actually reward with something of worth to show their appreciation.

There are a lot of people on the forum that strongly believe that you should always 100% control the private keys to your bitcoin. Any tipping feature that is "on forum" would obviously not allow that. Some people could leave a tab open for their blockchain.info wallet, or could leave multibit open all the time. I really don't think copying and pasting an address is that big of a deal to someone when they care enough to be giving away money.

The tipping would just be for novelty. The reason it is popular on reddit is because it introduced people to Bitcoin that had never heard of it before. Everyone on this forum has heard about it so not much point.

I could see some uses for it in the Gambling section for games and sports picks though.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on January 12, 2015, 11:55:11 PM

Quote from: deluxeCITY on January 12, 2015, 11:40:31 PM

Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post.

As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included

There's likely 'no real need' for many things but it is a nice addition. How many people will actually boot up their wallet to copy and paste an address and send a tip here? A third party application just makes it more convenient and a bit of fun, not to mention you'll actually know where the money came from. I think it can also act as a nice 'plus 1' feature but one where people can actually reward with something of worth to show their appreciation.

There are a lot of people on the forum that strongly believe that you should always 100% control the private keys to your bitcoin. Any tipping feature that is "on forum" would obviously not allow that. Some people could leave a tab open for their blockchain.info wallet, or could leave multibit open all the time. I really don't think copying and pasting an address is that big of a deal to someone when they care enough to be giving away money.

Quote from: TheButterZone on January 13, 2015, 12:21:20 AM

Which is why addresses in profiles should be converted to bitcoin: hyperlinks and QR codes, no copy-pasta needed.

I think there was some kind of vulnerability a while back for people who had used "bitcoin:" links over a short period

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Which is why addresses in profiles should be converted to bitcoin: hyperlinks and QR codes, no copy-pasta needed.

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Quote from: deluxeCITY on January 12, 2015, 11:40:31 PM

Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post.

As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included

There's likely 'no real need' for many things but it is a nice addition. How many people will actually boot up their wallet to copy and paste an address and send a tip here? A third party application just makes it more convenient and a bit of fun, not to mention you'll actually know where the money came from. I think it can also act as a nice 'plus 1' feature but one where people can actually reward with something of worth to show their appreciation.

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Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 08:56:07 PM

Sure and i could also PM you and ask for your BTC address, internet existed before webbrowsers, and phones before iPhone, but ...

I think the point here is a prove of concept and expose is to wide adoption (meaning being user friendly) as much as to encourage quality posts. If btc forum can't integrate user friendly BTC tipping, you really expect other forums adopting it?

Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post.

As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included

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Quote from: hilariousandco on January 12, 2015, 02:07:33 AM

Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 05:08:10 PM

Quote from: matt4054 on January 11, 2015, 04:10:43 PM

As discussed on the 'New forum software' board:

Quote from: theymos on November 15, 2014, 07:25:39 PM

I've thought about that before, but I think that there might be legal problems with that. It might make the forum a "money transmitter".

AFAIK Theymos didn't specifically comment about using ChangeTip itself though (to avoid the money transmitter issue)

It'd be nice to get a solid answer if there's any truth to the money transmitter theory. But yeah clearly a third party solution would not be effected

An internal tipping system could lead to these issues (and others if funds are ever stolen or the forum is hacked etc), but there shouldn't be any issues with adding a third party like ChangeTip especially when YouTube & Reddit etc have them. I would like to see it added if it's not too much hassle or doesn't cause other problems.

Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 05:53:21 PM

Quote from: BTCreward on January 11, 2015, 05:41:01 PM

Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 04:05:01 PM

Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums

I am sure that this would create a lot of scams.....similar to those that are on reddit.

In case you were wondering how the scams work:
-user A makes a "good" post/point
-user B tips user A a lot of bitcoin for the good post (user A is user B's alt)
-user B tips many of his other alts, appearing to be very generous
-user C is compelled to tip user B (who is unrelated to user B)

This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past

This is general debate against micro tipping. Yes that will yield some evils (e.g. more spam, beggers etc...) but i still think that its upside outweighs its downfalls. Micro tipping is one of BTC current practical use cases. If some bad players will try to abuse it is no reason to abandonment.

I don't think begging spam would increase much but those posts will be deleted pretty quickly like regular begging requests and persistent beggars banned. I also agree the positives likely outweigh the negatives and would hopefully encourage and reward quality contributions and discussions.

Ok i can see the liability issue with holding coins, but yeah seems that consensus is pro some sort of 3rd party solution

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Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 05:08:10 PM

Quote from: matt4054 on January 11, 2015, 04:10:43 PM

As discussed on the 'New forum software' board:

Quote from: theymos on November 15, 2014, 07:25:39 PM

I've thought about that before, but I think that there might be legal problems with that. It might make the forum a "money transmitter".

AFAIK Theymos didn't specifically comment about using ChangeTip itself though (to avoid the money transmitter issue)

It'd be nice to get a solid answer if there's any truth to the money transmitter theory. But yeah clearly a third party solution would not be effected

An internal tipping system could lead to these issues (and others if funds are ever stolen or the forum is hacked etc), but there shouldn't be any issues with adding a third party like ChangeTip especially when YouTube & Reddit etc have them. I would like to see it added if it's not too much hassle or doesn't cause other problems.

Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 05:53:21 PM

Quote from: BTCreward on January 11, 2015, 05:41:01 PM

Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 04:05:01 PM

Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums

I am sure that this would create a lot of scams.....similar to those that are on reddit.

In case you were wondering how the scams work:
-user A makes a "good" post/point
-user B tips user A a lot of bitcoin for the good post (user A is user B's alt)
-user B tips many of his other alts, appearing to be very generous
-user C is compelled to tip user B (who is unrelated to user B)

This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past

This is general debate against micro tipping. Yes that will yield some evils (e.g. more spam, beggers etc...) but i still think that its upside outweighs its downfalls. Micro tipping is one of BTC current practical use cases. If some bad players will try to abuse it is no reason to abandonment.

I don't think begging spam would increase much but those posts will be deleted pretty quickly like regular begging requests and persistent beggars banned. I also agree the positives likely outweigh the negatives and would hopefully encourage and reward quality contributions and discussions.

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Quote from: DaRude on January 12, 2015, 12:37:27 AM

Huh

First you tell me i'm not suppose to ask for tips its just happens then assuming that i don't actively encourage it because i don't receive tips, then claiming i'm a Redditor?

For the record i'm not. But you seem to have issues following a conversation Roll Eyes

so go bug someone else

Just saying I find it ironic that you find micro tips so important to bitcoin, but you don't have your account integrated for tipping. Roll Eyes

Be the change you want to see... don't just cry about the way shit currently is.

Bitcoin doesn't need a third party to help dipshits send micro transactions to each other is all I'm saying.

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Huh

First you tell me i'm not suppose to ask for tips its just happens then assuming that i don't actively encourage it because i don't receive tips, then claiming i'm a Redditor?

For the record i'm not. But you seem to have issues following a conversation Roll Eyes

so go bug someone else

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on January 11, 2015, 11:21:24 PM

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I've missed the point eh? You're not supposed to ask for tips... it just kinda happens.
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If you think tipping is so great then why aren't you actively encouraging it yourself?

If you want everyone to be able to be tipped, then you should start by making yourself tipable here.
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Reddits gay... I could count the number of fucks I care about Reddit on one hand (zero)

If I was a gambling man I'd put money saying the OP is a Redditor.

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Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 10:09:21 PM

Well you seem to completely miss the point. And if the quote is in regards to me, i'm not asking for any tips, nor do i run ads in my signature as you've noticed.

I've missed the point eh? You're not supposed to ask for tips... it just kinda happens.

Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 09:06:42 PM

Because i think that tipping/micro transactions are actually one of BTC (err crypto currency) use cases that makes sense and where it has no competition.

If you think tipping is so great then why aren't you actively encouraging it yourself?

If you want everyone to be able to be tipped, then you should start by making yourself tipable here.

Quote from: siameze on January 11, 2015, 10:18:42 PM

This is literally all you hear on reddit...

Reddits gay... I could count the number of fucks I care about Reddit on one hand (zero)

If I was a gambling man I'd put money saying the OP is a Redditor.

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You can do it like this, but only in posts afaik: BTC Tip Me BTC

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On the forum profile information page here, you enter your Bitcoin address, but it doesn't get converted to a bitcoin: hyperlink like the instant messenger handles do. Just that would enable easier tipping for desktop wallets.

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Quote from: BayAreaCoins on January 11, 2015, 08:57:52 PM

Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 08:56:07 PM

If btc forum can't integrate user friendly BTC tipping, you really expect other forums adopting it?

No one should... it's a total waste of time, resources and requires addition unneeded trust.

Copy, paste and send like normal fucking humans!

*pulls hair out*

A lot of the Bitcoiners in the lime light sound like fucking Dogecoiners with this tipping shit.

This is literally all you hear on reddit, and associated drama between reddcoin which hates both doge AND changetip. For my part I don't need a fancy (and most likely insecure) browser extension to tip people with. If I want to send someone a donation they can simply post a clean address. Voila! Decentralized tipping.

I imagine too that there would be no end of butthurt from the altcoin crowd here if their coins weren't implemented to tip too.

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Quote from: BayAreaCoins on January 11, 2015, 10:02:38 PM

Quote from: dogie on January 11, 2015, 09:48:51 PM

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on January 11, 2015, 08:54:11 PM

Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 04:05:01 PM

Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums

You do know you can put your address in your Bitcointalk profile or in your signature. (I notice you don't have yours on either)

I don't understand why retards need their hand held sending 16 cents to some other retard. Roll Eyes

I think the point is so people can publicly show their appreciation.

Isn't that what a public block chain and posting a txid is for.

People are pushing these services cause they are making these services to skim coins away from people who could do the same damn thing for near free. Rather than educating folks on how to actually use the shit... it's far more profitable to have a dipshit user base who gives it to you for nothing.

It's just kinda funny the folks complain about no tip services don't even have a signature or a bitcoin address in their profile.

"Why don't I get any tips?! Cry

" Hmmmm I wonder...

Well you seem to completely miss the point. And if the quote is in regards to me, i'm not asking for any tips, nor do i run ads in my signature as you've noticed.

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Quote from: dogie on January 11, 2015, 09:48:51 PM

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on January 11, 2015, 08:54:11 PM

Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 04:05:01 PM

Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums

You do know you can put your address in your Bitcointalk profile or in your signature. (I notice you don't have yours on either)

I don't understand why retards need their hand held sending 16 cents to some other retard. Roll Eyes

I think the point is so people can publicly show their appreciation.

Isn't that what a public block chain and posting a txid is for.

People are pushing these services cause they are making these services to skim coins away from people who could do the same damn thing for near free. Rather than educating folks on how to actually use the shit... it's far more profitable to have a dipshit user base who gives it to you for nothing.

It's just kinda funny the folks complain about no tip services don't even have a signature or a bitcoin address in their profile.

"Why don't I get any tips?! Cry

" Hmmmm I wonder...

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Quote from: BayAreaCoins on January 11, 2015, 08:54:11 PM

Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 04:05:01 PM

Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums

You do know you can put your address in your Bitcointalk profile or in your signature. (I notice you don't have yours on either)

I don't understand why retards need their hand held sending 16 cents to some other retard. Roll Eyes

I think the point is so people can publicly show their appreciation.

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Quote from: BayAreaCoins on January 11, 2015, 08:57:52 PM

Quote from: DaRude on January 11, 2015, 08:56:07 PM

If btc forum can't integrate user friendly BTC tipping, you really expect other forums adopting it?

No one should... it's a total waste of time, resources and requires addition unneeded trust.

Copy, paste and send like normal fucking humans!

*pulls hair out*

A lot of the Bitcoiners in the lime light sound like fucking Dogecoiners with this tipping shit.

Because i think that tipping/micro transactions are actually one of BTC (err crypto currency) use cases that makes sense and where it has no competition.

I think BTC forum could be a great proof of concept platform case. I think it's useless to argue how user friendly your solution is for wide adoption.

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