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Topic: Anyone Think Bitstamp is Insolvent? Possible BTC Price Drop Incoming? - page 2. (Read 6164 times)

hero member
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I'd say Bitstamp going down (insolvency, government shut-down, etc) would be pretty bad for the price of bitcoin, short term (months or maybe a year). A lot of services use them, and they are the most well known exchange. But it would not kill BTC by any means.

It would cause a loss of trust in other exchanges, though. We are already hitting that point as it is, with all the scams and "hacks" going around. One more major one like this could be detrimental to the morale.

Sure, that's why I think months or maybe a year. Inevitably as more trustworthy and regulated businesses/exchanges come about, people's level of comfort will improve as well.
legendary
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I'd say Bitstamp going down (insolvency, government shut-down, etc) would be pretty bad for the price of bitcoin, short term (months or maybe a year). A lot of services use them, and they are the most well known exchange. But it would not kill BTC by any means.

It would cause a loss of trust in other exchanges, though. We are already hitting that point as it is, with all the scams and "hacks" going around. One more major one like this could be detrimental to the morale.
hero member
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I'd say Bitstamp going down (insolvency, government shut-down, etc) would be pretty bad for the price of bitcoin, short term (months or maybe a year). A lot of services use them, and they are the most well known exchange. But it would not kill BTC by any means.
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Here are some real threats to bitcoin.. and bitstamp is not one them..

"Any new and disruptive technology has its share of detractors who do their utmost to imbue the perceived threat with negative connotations. This has been happening for eons, and will continue until the end of time."

http://www.coindesk.com/five-biggest-threats-facing-bitcoin/
legendary
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While you might consider it anal, the plain and simple fact is that should Bitcoin ever gain true mainstream traction, you will see more of this simply due to the fact that no financial system of any sort is going to go mainstream without meeting some level of regulatory standards. All of this is information that is the same type of information that is 'free-floating' in the mainstream financial system, you simply aren't regularly asked questions like this because the banks already have a system in place that creates the obligatory paper trail and have for years. It's so interwoven into the fabric of international banking we don't even notice it anymore. Bitcoin will need to step up to this level to become truly 'mainstream'.

This is true for financial institution today, but with bitcoin, the barrier of entry to create an exchange is not anymore between the hands of governments.
Which means that if customer don't like it, they will search a substitute and accept the risk, and find a substitute.

Today financial institution complies because the government also ensure some barrier of entry in their market. This won't be the case with bitcoin.


While you're right in that it's decentralized and not part of any specific government, that doesn't mean that there's no government control. As we've seen in the past, the governments can actually exert a lot of control over exchanges. So this isn't really true.
legendary
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i don't care much, i'm using kraken , which is the best i think
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These questions are normal. You can also run into this questions if you deposit a higher ammount of fiat on it.

I got the same, once it was complete, it just went back to normal processing.
hero member
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I withdrawed ~$1500 yesterday and the payments has already been processed....

no questions asked, no hassle, no problems, no nothing

I've never had any problem with them buying or withdrawing BTC.
newbie
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I withdrawed ~$1500 yesterday and the payments has already been processed....

no questions asked, no hassle, no problems, no nothing
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While you might consider it anal, the plain and simple fact is that should Bitcoin ever gain true mainstream traction, you will see more of this simply due to the fact that no financial system of any sort is going to go mainstream without meeting some level of regulatory standards. All of this is information that is the same type of information that is 'free-floating' in the mainstream financial system, you simply aren't regularly asked questions like this because the banks already have a system in place that creates the obligatory paper trail and have for years. It's so interwoven into the fabric of international banking we don't even notice it anymore. Bitcoin will need to step up to this level to become truly 'mainstream'.

This is true for financial institution today, but with bitcoin, the barrier of entry to create an exchange is not anymore between the hands of governments.
Which means that if customer don't like it, they will search a substitute and accept the risk, and find a substitute.

Today financial institution complies because the government also ensure some barrier of entry in their market. This won't be the case with bitcoin.
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Found this today, seems although Bitstamp is making it EXTREMELY difficulty to withdraw both BTC and Fiat currency. Seems like a Mt. Gox 2.0 problem. If they end up being insolvent do you guys think BTC price will increase (due to realized less supply of coins) or go down due to bad media coverage plus people trying to recoup some of their losses?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26apno/bitstamp_will_not_process_withdrawal_unless_you/

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We kindly ask you to send us a high resolution image of both pages of your international passport and answer the following KYC questionnaire: 1. How did you learn about Bitcoin? 2. The purpose of trading on Bitstamp? Please describe in as much detail as possible how you intend to use your trading account. 3. What is the origin of the deposited Bitcoins? If mining, please specify your hardware specifications and submit a receipt or an invoice for your mining equipment. 4. What are your future plans and activities planned on our exchange? 5. Do you plan more withdrawals in the future? 6. Which bank do you intend to use? Please provide the complete address and SWIFT code. 7. Estimated amount that you would be depositing/withdrawing to/from your Bitstamp account per month (in USD and BTC)?

We kindly ask you to submit your answers and documents in a reply to this ticket.

OK fine, here are the details and my passport (already verified with driver's license and had swift code already entered).

They required that I prove where the coins came from that I sold. I provided the receipt from the exchange. Here is what they came back with.

Thank you for your reply.

Please note that the provided information is for only 5 BTC while you have deposited to and sold on Bitstamp more than xxx bitcoins.

We kindly ask you to send us a signed message of your personal, most used wallet so we can establish the veracity of your statements.


some people may bring about their recent "proof of solvency" of Bitstamp by firestartr.co (whoever the hell that is). It is just a statement though, no blockchain proof. And the PDF is even broken on my PC

https://www.bitstamp.net/s/documents/Firestartr_DD_Letter_for_Bitstamp.pdf

If they are insolvent, the price would go down first (as we've seen with Gox) and then would go back up after. I will say that it would hurt the morale more than it already has, though, in that people are starting to lose trust already.

Is this only for BTC sellers? The letter seems specifically directed at sellers rather than buyers. Have any buyers received a similar letter?
sr. member
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As stated, long after they started this excessive KYC practice (how can someone clean money by withdrawing bitcoin? Cleaning money implies exchanging it for fiat and transfering this money to a bank account), they did an audit.
Until the day you see them delaying withdraws, after people sent all requested documents, I think you can forget about Bitstamp insolvency.
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I believe they just went through a very thorough audit not too long ago. I think it is more a case of them being paranoid about following all the regulations.
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Most likely their hotwallet are empty.
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legendary
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In general I have no problem with KYC policies and complying with them.  I think Bitstamp has just gone way overboard though.  There's such a thing as CYA and then there's overkill which is what I think they are doing.  I've completed KYC with banks and BTC exchanges and none required this much hoop jumping.  I'm all for helping to legitimize BTC, but when its actually more cumbersome than what other exchanges require it's just too easy for me to leave Bitstamp....


sooo...Adios!  I wish Bitstamp all the best luck in the world.  We need a really solid and reputable BTC exchange, but when you dial the KYC down just a little bit, give me a call...I'll be back.

Cheers!

This is how I feel. I don't have problems with submitting information, ID, etc. You do the same when you want a loan. My problem is having to sit around and think about where every single coin came from. That's absurd. Even when getting a mortgage loan they don't require you to do this; they simply want to know where your income comes from. They don't have you go through your bank accounts and look at every single deposit (like cash) and ask where it came from.
sr. member
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In general I have no problem with KYC policies and complying with them.  I think Bitstamp has just gone way overboard though.  There's such a thing as CYA and then there's overkill which is what I think they are doing.  I've completed KYC with banks and BTC exchanges and none required this much hoop jumping.  I'm all for helping to legitimize BTC, but when its actually more cumbersome than what other exchanges require it's just too easy for me to leave Bitstamp....


sooo...Adios!  I wish Bitstamp all the best luck in the world.  We need a really solid and reputable BTC exchange, but when you dial the KYC down just a little bit, give me a call...I'll be back.

Cheers!
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it's none of their business where the coins came from. idgaf if it is for laundering purposes or not.
imnsho its a good place to not do business with if they want to be that anal down to the micro bit.

Most of the questions fall into the 'cover your ass' category of information they need to have available to provide in the event of a regulatory inquiry. Almost any BS answer will likely be acceptable for them, as they simply need something to 'fill in the blank' that looks somewhere within shouting distance of accurate. Having a massive blank there is a huge red flag that is a liability for them, having literally anything there allows them to meet their regulatory obligations. It's the job of the regulatory agencies involved in any inquiry to play connect the dots, should there ever be reason to do so. Bitstamp's only obligation is to provide dots.

While you might consider it anal, the plain and simple fact is that should Bitcoin ever gain true mainstream traction, you will see more of this simply due to the fact that no financial system of any sort is going to go mainstream without meeting some level of regulatory standards. All of this is information that is the same type of information that is 'free-floating' in the mainstream financial system, you simply aren't regularly asked questions like this because the banks already have a system in place that creates the obligatory paper trail and have for years. It's so interwoven into the fabric of international banking we don't even notice it anymore. Bitcoin will need to step up to this level to become truly 'mainstream'.



newbie
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I mostly lurk, rarely post, but as someone who has been involved in the KYC compliance changes for one of the worlds largest financial institutions, I'd just like to say this:

This is quite literally textbook FinCEN foundation, and I would actually take this to be a good sign. It means that Stamp is taking the necessary steps (including a fair bit of 'catch-up') to be in compliance with US money laundering regulations that would place it on the same level of credibility as an international bank. Personally, while it might be a bit of a chore at the outset, I consider this a very good sign long-term.

Great first post.

+1
hero member
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I mostly lurk, rarely post, but as someone who has been involved in the KYC compliance changes for one of the worlds largest financial institutions, I'd just like to say this:

This is quite literally textbook FinCEN foundation, and I would actually take this to be a good sign. It means that Stamp is taking the necessary steps (including a fair bit of 'catch-up') to be in compliance with US money laundering regulations that would place it on the same level of credibility as an international bank. Personally, while it might be a bit of a chore at the outset, I consider this a very good sign long-term.

Great first post.
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