Topic: Apple and DASH - page 2. (Read 2464 times)

Behind of dash, ETC is also feeling same things with dash.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/jaxx-says-ethereum-classics-rejection-by-ios-app-store-is-apples-loss

ETH is good ETC is bad...

But apple is having a high criteria for their selection.

I'm not sure if removing UEFI locks is prohibited by law, but it seems to be prohibited by technical measures on newer processors from both AMD and Intel:
https://libreboot.org/faq/#intelme
https://libreboot.org/faq/#amd

The biggest technology firm in the world did this after reaching out to Anthony Di Iorio, founder of Jaxx, a crypto-currency wallet, to tell him they could no longer feature a version of Jaxx wallet in their store that features Dash functionality For the first time ever, Apple’s approved blockchains and cryptocurrencies have been revealed.

Well, real power is when you don't even have to tell your lackeys any more what your wishes are, but they fight amongst themselves to guess them and please you, and go and impose your wishes even before you have to say so, no ?


Without the violence stick behind it, we would all laugh our ass off DMCA.  Don't confuse the means and the goals.  They are not separated.  The means are the goals, and the goals are the means, in this vicious circle of power.

But I agree with you that "intellectual property rights" are incompatible with fundamental freedoms, and allow at the same time some elite to gather immense wealth and power.


This is a bad example, I'm afraid.  Nobody forces you to smoke.  With freedom also comes the freedom to scam.  It gets worse when, using DRM, these companies attack in justice *independent analysis*, but nobody can force you (in a free world) to tell the truth about your own data.  Even if I have huge labs that have examined in every detail the effect of radioactivity on human health, I consider it part of my fundamental freedoms to set up a publicity campaign to have people buy my plutonium sun tan cream "to boost the vitality of their immune system" or any other scam.  And if I'm successful, and I can kill 90% of human population that way, I would consider this as nothing else but the normal enjoyment of my personal fundamental freedoms.

However, if I send out thugs that force people to put that cream on, I'd be a criminal violator of people's freedoms.


This is because, again, goal and means are one and the same.  The government is partly multinational corporate world, and vice versa.  The official government is only the tip of the iceberg of what government is about.  But these multinational corporations couldn't exist without the violence of the state, and the politicians couldn't do their manipulative acts without those corporations (otherwise the politicians wouldn't do them any favours).  This is ONE AND THE SAME aristocracy, and the "democratic show" we see every so many years to get one or another straw man "winning a popular election" is nothing else but a façade for this aristocracy to keep the power.


I've heard about those locked boot loaders.  One should avoid buying such devices, but I think it must be possible to hack them open.  I don't think there is any legal procedure that can be used against you for REMOVING software or firmware from a device ; and if so, it would be the OEM that would have a strange hardware selling licence.  I've never had an intel machine on which I couldn't remove windows entirely (that's usually the first thing I do with a new computer).  It is true that UEFI is a pain, but I thought even (though I never bothered) that there are laws in some countries that force microsoft to pay back the windows license if you ask to remove it.

There could be manufacturers that lock down windows in the UEFI.  Then one mustn't buy stuff from them.  They can make life technically difficult, but I don't see how you could be legally annoyed by doing away with software.



I wouldn't, indeed, mess with a stock rom.  That's probably "illegal".  One should only buy devices that are listed on, say, cyanogenmod's list.  Again, I don't see how one could get raided because one installed cyanogenmod on one's device.


Well, I consider it "fair play" to want to deceive one's customers, as long as you don't use violence to impose it on them.

The United States Government is not forcing Apple to do anything here. The only recent action of the United States Government with respect to Apple was to use the courts to force Apple to jailbreak an iPhone as part of an anti-terrorism investigation. This is highly commendable on the part of the United States Government since the owner of the said iPhone was voluntarialy co-operating with FBI investigation. The case became moot when the FBI found someone else who could crack the Apple DRM, that Apple was using to frustrate the anti-terrorism investigation.

When it comes to violence on the part of the United States Government the passage of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act in 1998 by the United States Congress stands out as the one act of violence by the United States Government in the last 25 years. It is further reinforced by the actions of US Trade Representative in promoting DRM around the world. Yes this is far worse then all the actions of United States military, the CIA, NSA etc combined during the same period. To understand this one only needs to consider that the number deaths due to smoking worldwide in the 20th century were actually higher than the deaths caused by World War I and World War II combined. A critical component in these smoking deaths was that the tobacco industry went out of its way to hide and obfuscate the data on the relationship between smoking and premature death. Data that they claimed was their proprietary information. Protecting the "intellectual property" of multinational corporations can be a crime worse than war if one measures this crime by the number of deaths it can cause. This is just one industry. Multiply this by the crimes committed by large multinational corporations in areas as diverse as manufacturing to pharmaceuticals and one gets the real picture here. The vast majority of corporate crimes are crimes of deceit and fraud, and withholding information because it is proprietary is a critical component of such crimes. Furthermore most violence attributed to governments worldwide is actually done at the behest of multinational corporate interests. Every time a government drops a bomb one must ask the question which multinational corporate interests asked the government to drop said bomb. There is where the real fault for the violence, death and misery the bomb causes actually lies.

There is real hope here in that the Digital Millennium Copyright Act is currently being challenged in the United States Supreme Court, thanks to the efforts of among others the Electronic Frontier Foundation. So there is hope that this particular form of corporate violence many end soon. https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-lawsuit-takes-dmca-section-1201-research-and-technology-restrictions-violate


Unfortunatetly this is incorrect. Installing something on a computer or a smart phone, tablet etc., can lead to a police raid on one home thanks to the lobbying effots of companies such as Apple. The MPAA is among the worst villains here, so is Microsoft.


The fundamental issue here is that Apple uses DRM to prevent the "owners" of iDevices from installing software from sources other than their own store. This is called tied selling and is in fact illegal in many jurisdictions in many other areas. The consequence of this first wrong is that Apple looses it rights as to what they list or not list in their own store, and is in fact always in the wrong regardless of whether they list something or not on their store.


Again there are some very serious misconceptions here. In the case of Intel computers and Microsoft this used to be the case say 20 years ago, but it is no longer the case, in particular since the advent of UEFI bios. These computers can be locked down even worse than most mobile devices including iDevices. Microsoft has mandated that they be sold with the UEFI bios locked. Those with Windows 8.x and Intel/AMD compatible processors Microsoft required that the UEFI bios be unlock-able by the end user. In the Windows 10 case the noose was tightened further with the mandate that they be sold with the UEFI bios locked, but the requirement that the UEFI bios be unlock-able by the end user removed. With Windows ARM devices (Windows surface) the Microsoft Mandate is that UEFI bios be not unlock-able by the end user, creating a situation that is actually worse than with Apple. When it comes installing software on Windows, Microsoft is moving towards a closed platform with their Windows store and Windows Universal, and has added language to their EULA allowing Microsoft to remove any software it so desires from end user computers running Microsoft Windows 10. On the other hand it has modified the Windows kernel in Windows 10 64bit to run the GNU tool chain on top of Windows. So we literally have both extremes on one computer.


The issue with Android is the manufacturers and telcos and not Google. The vast majority of Android devices are sold with locked boot loaders and no root access. This is required for the DRM in these devices to do its dastardly deeds. In some cases they are also locked to the Google play store like iDevices. The impact of this is that a lot of software cannot be run on these devices without rooting. The secret to freedom in Android is to 1) Unlock the Boot loader 2) Root the device and 3) as in any mobile device remove the carrier lock. Rooting an Android device will of course break the DRM. and can lead to "a police raid on one's home" as in the Apple case. Once these three steps are accomplished then one is free and how one chooses to exercise one's freedom such as by installing a different ROM becomes one's own business.

As for Apple customers not been interested in Crypto this again is not true. What happens with Apple customers is that they are for the most part deceived by Apple on these issues. Here is an example of what can happen when a Apple customer figures out they were had. This is from 2014 when Apple was still censoring Bitcoin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQZTAJ2KLk

On a final note. When breaking DRM there can be a significant risk of legal liability, so it is very important to carefully examine the anti circumvention of DRM laws in one's jurisdiction for exemptions that can be used to avoid legal liability and seek professional legal advice, where appropriate.

I think this is somewhat unfair to Apple.  After all, the *ONLY* reason why Apple is pickish about these things is because they feel the heat from the Biggest of all Brothers on this planet: the totalitarian united states of america federal government.   Otherwise they wouldn't bother.
That said, Apple doesn't come and raid your house if you install something on a computer.  The only thing they do is to sell products that can only use their store, and to decide themselves what they want to put in their store or not.  That is their good right.   The problem with Apple stuff is not that Apple can decide what they put in their own store (nothing sounds more normal than that).  The problem is that i-things only work with Apple store stuff.  It is a closed system.

If you buy an intel computer, you can put linux on it, and you're free.  But even windows allows you to install just any software you like.  Android too.  So if you intend to use your device the way YOU intend to use it, and not the way Apple is telling you to use it, you shouldn't buy Apple stuff.  On the other hand, if you want to stick to the Apple experience as Apple decides it, then by all means, buy i-stuff.  This is why I said that probably, most Apple customers are not interested in crypto.  If you're interested in crypto, you're not going to lock yourself up in a closed system.

It is true that even android devices are more tied to Google, than intel machines are linked to, say, microsoft, because most android devices are so different.  There's no non-tweaked standard install of an Android derivative that just works on most devices, like gnu/linux runs "out of the box" on most different intel machines.
But at least, with some work, you can get a version of, say, Cyanogenmod on your android device, and you're free.

I commented on this in the following thread. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16200199


Edit: A few months back I installed Dash on a computer that I had previously bought from the Government of British Columbia, Canada, via their auction site. https://www.bcauction.ca/. Unlike Big Brother Apple the Government of British Columbia did not use DRM to control how I used the computer after the sale. This is actually an example where a major multinational corporation becomes a far worse oppressor, and threat to human rights and civil liberties, than a government.

I am not prophet, i just know that Bitcoin now is not anonymous.

so they also removed everything that is too anon? like monero and clone? what if bitcoin will be anonymous with an update in the future they will remove that too?

Legit companies of course will support currency currency that does not have anonymous feature. I agree with you, as legal transation of this company are being audited and controled by government. They ma be in triuble if there are involved in  dubious transaction.

theres nothing to do with dash, it's like has been said by @Antibarcode, they just dont want a anon coin...that's not good for business.
monero, nav,shadow and any other anon coin will probably be denied too.

That's like the anonymity is becoming the worst thing if we are trying for asking about the company and i think the anonimity is too bad for pushing the development of alt coins in this time. and this cases is just become an example.

Yes, the freedom base on few people.
Their decision is base on nothing, it is call cherry picking.
This is why I say all about connection and luck.

If I were Di Lorio, I would withdraw from the Apple Store all together.  Smaller market share (27%) of mobile, and probably even much smaller crypto users share.  If you want crypto, don't buy Apple, should be the message.

This is what freedom is about, no ?

50% premined and under one person control but then Apple also excepted craps like ETH and DAO. Ask yourself where is DAO right now? Crypto is a wild wild west messy world, many people became instant millionaire and many also became broke. It's all about connection and luck?

Was there a solid reason why Apple decided to mot let Jaxx include Dash? All the articles I read are not clear. Is it because of the premine? Do they not like the masternode idea? Is there somethng wrong with the founder's face? They gave us nothing except ordered Jaxx not to include it. To leverage this Jaxx should market and make a minor partnership with Google and android.

Now how's that ?  Monero never "developed confidential transactions".  It was in there from the start.  How could they have asked Apple to allow them to do so before they existed ?  

Honestly, I wouldn't care.  Apple is not a big enough player to impose its whims on crypto, and I would even say, probably most Apple customers are not interested in crypto.  So not having the very few potential crypto interested people of Apple doesn't matter.

I think apple will also reject monero as dash and monero both seem to be more anonymous than bitcoin. They don't like the things that may put them in legal problem later on. They will never understand or support the anonymity for sure including other big corporations tied by government rules and big banks.