Topic: Apple wants to replace all passwords with biometrics - page 2. (Read 368 times)

Apple has never been known for its security to be fair. More about collecting data, same as Google, actually come to think of it, every company out there. Since, data makes money. Security, doesn't necessarily do so.

Do I think it'll pass? Maybe, not right now. However, it has come quite clear that in modern times we're getting lazy, and therefore we seek out convenience over security. Therefore, biometrics actually appeals to the vast majority of their network. So, yeah I do think biometrics will eventually become the standard.

However, I imagine they'll keep the optional passwords. If not, they'll likely be met with laws that make it compliance to offer the option. EU in particular is quite strict on these sort of things, I believe they recently passed the requirement for all Apple phones to require USB C rather than their own connector.

The traditional option is not lost, I think in any case it is a question of the ToS (Apple).

By the way, this is is a really old technological system (it seems recent) but not , it has taken a long time to be of frequent use, but it has more and more "fashion" for its implementation in cell phones, who are really making it more frequent.

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There are issues before but maybe this time, it will work better since it will serve different purpose and seriously with the technology that we have right now, we might really end with this kind of system. I’m an apple user and I’m willing to give this a try as apple continues to work with other companies as well, this can be a good security once successful after all. There will be a trial and error, let’s just hope for the best result in the future.

We can’t expect a perfect system right away, most probably problems will still occur but the whole idea and concept of using biometrics is amazing, the future is still bright for us and hopefully they can work on this perfectly so we can expect a more secured way of having an accounts. This is a good innovation, many will surely adopt with this once its out in the market.

This wasn't a new thing but we already have these types of security before and I think that many people don't prefer them but they still prefer the old school way of accessing their device and that is the password and the 4 digit pin. The reason why is the device sometimes doesn't unlock in fingerprint and facial recognition because your face looks different sometimes and your fingers are sometimes wet or sweaty.

If fingerprints can be bypassed then there's a chance that facial recognition can be bypassed as well. There is no safe anymore in this world. I think the only thing we can do is don't store all your funds or important data's on your phone. Just in case it'll be accessed by an unauthorized person.

Most of the age groups are familiar with the biometrics these days and also in all android users are way more than apples users. However, Android has smoothly implemented their biometric logins on all the smartphones.

So this feature is further integrated with all the apps on the play store (same goes for iOS App Store) wherever login credentials are required it can be replaced with face or fingerprint recognition.

I think we are already one step closer to what Apple is dreaming. It won’t be big deal for them.

Even banking apps / Unified Payment System apps use this feature.

This innovation is welcoming because it would indeed improves the security of Apple devices. But I think it should be optional and not a compulsory requirement to own an Apple device. I have experience diverse issues using fingerprints and facial ID that my best security option is using password. Transferring one's personal data to a company is riskier than password. With passwords I have the sole responsibility of protecting my password but with biometrics I have transferred my security to a company. For me, my trustworthy wife knows the passwords to all my devices because of uncertainties. If biometrics is the only option, how would the device be unlocked in case of death, accidents that effects the face or hands or in case of other emergencies?  

The freedom of having options to pick from should not be taken away. The insecurity and vulnerability that they are seeking to eliminate will always exist, users have a special role to play in safety of their device/account.

There are many disadvantages to choosing biometric technology alone, I recently got burnt trying to carry a hot pot from the fire with my bare hands, it caused a nasty injury on my thumb which happens to be the only finger I registered as a biometric pass into my mobile device, because the injury affected my fingerprint pattern temporarily, I experienced some challenges trying to access my phone. If I had not set up ''password access'' as a fail safe, I wonder what I would have done and how I could have accessed my phone.

Biometric access which largely depends on physicality's like your face and fingerprint cannot be depended on alone because they do not account for cases of accidents where a victim may loose access to their device/account because of a lost limb(arm) or a face disfigured by accident. And what of a situation where some individuals need access to your device/account. It will be easier for them to tie you to up and forcefully use your biometric details (face or fingerprint) to access your device without your cooperation than for them to gain access when your password is not just biometrics.

The assumption that apple is building on that people do not have very secure passwords hence trying to make biometrics their best and only option should not be accepted. The freedom to choose should not be taken away.

It's almost impossible to completely get away from them at this day and age, unless you have no issues going completely off the grid and living like Ted Kaczynski.


This will 100% become industry standard, just the matter of time. Thing is, people (and other companies) usually laugh at Apple's "innovations" and then in a year or two they start doing the same thing.


On the contrary, Apple starts the trends. It sucks, but that's how it works.

The privacy you are talking about has long been just a story for young children (if they even believe it), because regardless of biometrics in this case, smartphones are spy boxes anyway, especially for those who do not even try to turn off some options which would give them more privacy. For those who haven't heard, big brothers from all over the world have long since found a way to get into any smartphone -> Pegasus


Do you trust any other company more? In the end, it all comes down to who is spying on you, because we don't have to delude ourselves that the world is what they want to show us - it's (and much worse) than what the most famous whistleblower in recent history has shown.

I respect your opinion but I also can not help but argue.  At first glance, it does seem 'the solution'.  But is it really less vulnerable than a password?  Say you are a journalist owning some crucial information on a phone.  Now should someone retain you, here is how the events may go.

1.  Your phone is encrypted with a password.  They will beat you up, try to enter the password a thousand times, maybe even kill you.  But you will not say ANY part of the password and would rather die with the files forever encrypted instead.
2.  Your phone is encrypted with biometrics.  Now all they need is to cut your finger or just tie you up and use your finger, face or iris against your will to unlock the phone and sweep the crucial data off it.

I would say passwords are MUCH safer than biometrics are.  Sure, it may be so much easier to unlock your phone by just touching it or looking at it, but is it worth trading privacy and personal security for comfort?

Not to mention there are other kind of vulnerabilities when using biometrics such as theft of identity.  I would personally never trust a fingerprint reader on a phone because I have no idea where that information ends up and who could use it against me.  It is just too dangerous for me to even contemplate using it.

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So basically they want to add a biometric password manager, like sone services already offered today? Having a phone feature manage all your different social media and site accounts, nothing could go wrong there. 

Biometrics can be cheated, if they're going to roll this out I'd rather also have a pin/pattern/password in combination with the biometric login. You're just gonna memorize one password anyway, that shouldn't be hard.

I think that Apple just wanted to ride the trend since verification on some companies are implementing Biometrics.  This is more of a show off than considering the safety of the privacy of their users.  If they care for their customers, they should have educated them about the importance of stronger passwords.  It doesn't harm if they add another piece of documents on their packaging informing their users about the importance of strong password.

Well, they are in a business, implementing this kind of verification can give them a boost in promotion and at the same time they can increase the price of their item.  I don't think they are concern about the security but rather the profit it will add on their stash if this kind of technology is implemented.


Innovations are made for the company profit not for users.  It so happen that some of this innovations benefit the users as well.

In addition to the fact that Apple often has errors when unlocking with a fingerprint, now they are coming up with a new feature? In my country, at any temperature drop, the phone simply refuses to recognize my fingerprint at all, and I have to additionally unlock it with a password. But besides this, the phone can simply freeze. And now we will be deprived of the password. But what if someone decides to grow a beard, or, on the contrary, shave off his mustache, or, well, something will change in appearance?

I'm not sure that all innovations are made for the benefit of people. This is another one hundred thousandth attempt to take the whole world under its full control.

Confidentiality becomes a fairy tale, but not a reality.

Adding biometric verification would mean a total end for online privacy.
I'm no expert in spying technologies, but your smartphone can basically track your location, your browsing history, even your phone calls.
What if your smartphone is spying even more sensitive data like fingerprints, iris, etc? Who is going to guarantee that this data won't be leaked? I don't trust Apple.
Using weak passwords as a excuse to implement biometric verification seems like a weak excuse. Apple could just impose rules for stronger passwords, like minimum amount of characters, numbers, capital letters, special characters. This isn't rocket science.
It seems like the "big tech" wants to spy on us even more.

Do we think biometrics is safer? Here is the thing for facial recognition and Biometrics it is easier to develop softwares that captures and save this two on devices using Ai. Typed Passwords might not be safe either but to some extent it is more secure and less expensive but for biometrics it is expensive and still open to counter technologies.

There are apple users who can comfortable secure their device for years with typed password and no one can hack into their device. Instead of a complicated technology it is better apple school their users on best security using password manager and authenticators approach and what a typical secured password should look like other than compound the technology and give hackers the opportunity to work on a counter technology for this facial recognition and biometrics

Android Biometrics for example is easy to break through with just a white cellotape  and white transparent masking papers then what guarantee is Apple giving that their will be more secure

People should be given the option to use the classic ways to protect their accounts or choose the biometric option - because if Apple thinks everyone is so naive as to use simple passwords that you can guess, I say there are people who know how to protect themselves well without biometrics.

I had the option to unlock my laptop with face recognition 10+ years ago and it worked quite solidly, although I preferred a strong password. I've never used this option on smartphones, even though I have it, but I use fingerprint unlocking, although in some situations I still prefer PIN lock/unlock.

What I've noticed about fingerprint locking is that the sensor usually doesn't recognize the fingerprint when you wash your hands, or if your hands are dirty - and that you may have facial recognition problems if for some reason you don't look the way the camera recorded you at the time of facial sampling.

In terms of security, there are various tricks to bypass the fingerprint sensor, as well as to fake the fingerprint - but what about twins who are identical and facial recognition - not to mention masks that can be made with today's technology so you can look like anyone in the world.

Isnt their system already secure enough? I havent read any news about Apple biometrics being hacked. I remember there were few cases when Apple added face id in 2017. But that these cases were exceptions and in most cases, people did not figure out till the end how system works and raised panic. Right now, Apple biometrics systems looks like most secure. If a user sets face ID security or a password, even Apple cant crack it.

Privacy concerns aside, people would most likely use this feature simply because it's far easier to use and the fact that the typical person doesn't need to remember passwords. This is the main reason why these companies win a lot of users while privacy freaks are very low in population — simply because these companies know how to nail UI/UX.

the underlined reason I think it contains a question mark. passwords store our personal data. submitting biometrics is the same as submitting our biometric data / personal data as well.
however i feel this is tantamount to giving kyc all the time.

This is tantamount to handing over our biometric data to the company. because as far as I know these biometrics include things like

1. fingerprint
2. face scanner.
3. retina scanner.
4. iris scanner.
5. Voice Recognition .

I feel like I'll actually have wild thoughts and full of fear when I have to hand over my body data like that. However, I am reminded of the James Bond and Mission Impossible films. where when we get biometric data of important people. then we can make a replica like a face mask that is similar to the original. (sorry I watch too many movies). what's worse is when a leaked fingerprint is used for a crime by someone.

ah... I hope this really doesn't apply.
this is a more severe version of kyc.

I think I will do the same with you. However, our body data is far more dangerous if it is leaked. while the leaking of the password wasn't too much of a problem. although that's actually a problem. but passwords are just a collection of letters and numbers or symbols. while biometric data is the rough data of our body. So it's important to take care of it.