Topic: Are Bitcoiner are really prepare to Face these situations?[No Internet] - page 3. (Read 835 times)

No internet access that is crazy because I only hear it from you even in ongoing war like Russian vs ukraine the internet service is still alive even tho is not 100%. But if that the case the only way is going via satellite connection. There is internet service provider like StarLink or other I believe.

But If the Starlink had government license it can be blocked too, so in this case all connection will be dead and the best option is to flee to other country

The government's decision to restrict internet access is an act of desperation by leaders who fear losing control.  It's a clear violation of basic human rights and freedoms. As for Bitcoin, it's a stark reminder that while it's decentralized, the infrastructure around it isn't. Without reliable internet, Bitcoin transactions grind to a halt.  Solutions exist - satellite internet, mesh networks, shortwave radio... but implementing them is difficult, expensive and not always reliable. So they ain't perfect either.  Still, necessity is the mother of invention, as they say. I assume that if there really are such restrictions on a global level, people will look for alternative solutions and adapt.

I suppose that is an option.  But under such an attack on a much larger scale, I presume Satellites would not work either any more.  You would have no Cell Connection.  If that is the case, you are pretty much out of options.

One option would be to use Radio or alternative options that are not dependent on your local Cell Towers, Satellites or Internet Connection.  Bitcoin is barely even used normally, as in through Wallets.  People barely get to understand how it works.  In such a scenario I guess we would be out of luck because nobody else would even think of using Bitcoin through Radio or alternatives.  There are Applications that let you send messages through Bluetooth during a massive natural disaster, yet almost nobody knows of them.  So many of them unfortunately end up not being able to call for help.

Options exist.  It is just that they are too unknown and you would be lucky to find somebody closer than a few hundred kilometers from you who is using Bitcoin the same way you are trying to.

It will be very difficult for bitcoiners to cope with bitcoin without internet because everything is centered in internet. Even forum will be affected and other business activities. And as it is in the world now, every country should have alternative internet connection so in case the underwater cables are affected like what happened in Nigeria last few months, we can use the alternative. By right the internet should be connected without Sim Cards. And it is only when you want to make calls, sim cards should be needed.
Sim Card should be own by internet providers while satellite should be provided by the government. And it is be decentralized.

This kind of topic about Bitcoin being able to survive if there is no internet connection or if Bitcoiners can cope if there is no internet connection was raised last week. If such happens, it will definitely affect the Bitcoiners in that country, and the only solution to that problem is to patiently wait until the government finally restores the internet connection, or you can flee to another country that has an internet connection. 

We have not experienced such things in my country; even the government needs internet connection too, and because they do need it too, they cannot completely kill all the internet switches in their country.They themselves will have it allowed in their residential places. For example, when I was a kid, there's this politician in the village. Any time he visits home, there will not be a network or internet connection. According to the internet providers in my place, the politician usually tells them to turn off the internet so that people will not have a network to make calls and inform others that he is in the village.

That's to say, the government also needs the internet, and even if they disconnect the society from internet connection, they will still have some network among their own residents. So, if you can find yourself close to their residential area, you may have access. But if not, you have the other two options that I stated above. 

Currently, no transaction in the BTC-network is possible without the Internet. If the Internet is disconnected or isolated (for example, in a certain region), neither accepting payments in bitcoin, nor P2P transactions will be possible. Therefore, the BTC-community should probably think about alternative ways to confirm BTC-transactions. With universal access to the Internet, the Internet network may be segmented \ isolated, or completely disconnected for an indefinite period of time, and in this case, btc becomes useless. I believe that for the complete independence of bitcoin (without this, what financial freedom can there be), bitcoin should have alternative ways to confirm transactions.

Satellite Internet connection is not a solution, because in some countries it is prohibited (for the purposes of Internet censorship) and you cannot completely rely on it.

I see a solution only if the Internet becomes completely independent from governments and other parties (which is practically impossible now), or the BTC-community develops additional ways to confirm transactions.

Decentralization becomes meaningless if there is no internet (government control of internet access).

In such a situation, the best preliminary preparation can only be moving to another country with a stable Internet connection.

If there were no pending transaction before this shutdown occurred then no problem, they will have to wait till the plaque is over. But If the Transaction is a selling Oder which has been placed in any of the exchange before this issue occurred, before that 5days intervals, it will surely have been sold to USDT. Then if it where to be P2P trade you imitated which fund has been sent to you and you haven't released asset before the shutdown, surely your client will file an appeal and the fund will be removed from you account by the exchange and paid to your client then when the shutdown is over then you can write a message to exchange explaining what led to the delay. The. For the satellite internet, am not awear about it.


That is very wired. We have not had this kind of experience in our country before, though we usually have internet issues sometimes but not a total blackout. It usually happens often but may be a geographical region internet shutdown but not the entire country. I believe the government reason to why they did so is because of the quota protest which leads to that, but as the case may be it will not only affect bitcoiners but will also affect government officials, because most of their activities which involve internet access will be affected. If I found myself in this situation I will have nothing to do because it's a national internet problem

The Silicon Valley TV show convinced me that it's a big problem that the Internet is essentially centralized, and so are major platforms that people are using and relying on. It's very unfortunate that certain countries are able to oppress their own populations by heavily restricting or even shutting down the Internet there. I hope that eventually we will transition to a different, more decentralized system that will make such actions impossible.
No Internet access is a huge issue. I would not be able to do most of my work and a huge chunk of communications without the Internet. And I would not be able to figure out how to access my BTC or transfer funds that I have in digital banking systems. Bitcoin would be on pause for me in that case, alongside most of my life.

I will only worry if the Internet is disconnected everywhere. In all other cases, disconnecting the Internet should not be a problem, and as a rule, if this happens, it is always temporary. Although I remember cases of disconnecting the Internet in a country neighboring mine, this was extremely, as the government justified it, a necessary measure to prevent terrorism. However, the world has become so accustomed to the fact that the Internet always exists everywhere that depriving it for a few days is equivalent to stopping life itself . But in very extreme cases, this inconvenience can be endured.

This must be really challenging op, but i havent experienced this in my country niether have i heard it anywhere.
But in situations like this, you can still get access to the internet through satelite or VPN to keep yourself updated or follow up your investment.

Um that's called a packet radio modem: it takes a data connection and modulates a radio transmitter to send out the information. It has been around since at least the early 1960's when the data was mainly a teletype communication.... Thing is it only bypasses the LOCAL internet that is not working. There still needs to be a receiver somewhere in range (which can be several thousand miles) with a similar modem that IS connected to the global internet because pure and simple, using Bitcoin does require a connection to the global nodes.

You cannot have a stand-alone localized Bitcoin network. Closest thing to that is something like a (local) LN channel to aggregate local stuff which then only periodically needs connection to the BTC mainnet to put the TX's onchain.

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So there is actually a way called Kryptoradio where it turns the bitcoin transactions into radio waves somehow bypassing the internet. So technically as long as there is a way to broadcast that signal and in a crazy event like having the internet beilng down I think that miners would be forced to use this type of method, or another type of roundabout method like this to keep the blockchain running. If the internet went down tho I definitely feel like we would have to be in a really bad spot, peopel would freak out lol https://d-central.tech/bitcoin-beyond-boundaries-transmitting-through-radio-waves/#:~:text=Kryptoradio%20is%20a%20technology%20that,bypassing%20traditional%20internet%2Dbased%20methods.

A satellite internet connection would be the best way to access the Bitcoin blockchain in oppressive countries like China and Russia. Starlink provides satellite internet service, albeit at a high cost. There's a more affordable solution called the "Blockstream satellite" which only transmits your BTC transaction to a network of nodes connected to the Internet (it doesn't give you access to the Internet itself, though). You can always use BTC offline via the use of cold storage wallets (eg: paper wallets) or physical bearer assets like the OpenDime or Tangem. You'd just hand in the physical item loaded with BTC to pay for goods and/or services. Just like how you would hand in paper money to someone else.

These kinds of transactions are completely off-chain. They won't be recorded on the Blockchain unless the sender broadcasts them online (making such transactions final). Governments will try to prevent people from buying/selling Bitcoin, but that won't stop anyone from trading in-person (Face to Face) or P2P. It's all thanks to Bitcoin's decentralized and censorship-resistant design. Otherwise, we would've been doomed by now.

We live in a centralized world and the government is the one who manages everything, you should not expect that there will be some technology or power that can help us completely escape government control. The advent of bitcoin has given us increased privacy and it has been a huge success, but don't think it can help us escape government surveillance completely, it never will happen.

I have read a lot of news about the situation in your country and this is the first time I have seen the government impose a large-scale Internet shutdown at the national level. Because this would cause serious damage to the national economy, it is incomprehensible for your government to make such a decision.


If you follow the news about what's happening in OP's country, you'll see that it happened a few days ago and things are slowly calming down. So it's understandable that OP can use the internet again, but as far as I know, things are still not completely stable.

Maybe decentralized internet will become a thing in the future and we wouldn't have to rely on Internet Service Providers(ISPs) for our internet connection. Elon Musk had shown us the way with Starlink, even though Starlink is a centralized service and relies on Musk's good will. Unfortunately, the crypto world is very dependent on the internet. I remember that there was a way for us to make paper Bitcoins and turn Bitcoin offline, but this would be very inconvenient.

We can't be certain for sure mate. The government has power to do what ever they so which and thus if they want to shut down the internet service provides in the country it won't take they much time. The truth is that they also need the Internet services to continue their evil communications amongst themselves so they might not consider that.
From what op explained, I already seen that it was be a bad experience for them. But he shouldn't be scared about his Bitcoins and then shutting down the internet doesn't literally take away it's decentralized. Yes for the time being when they have control of the internet you just have to let go and await it's return. There isn't anything one can do, but be rest assured that when it comes back you Bitcoins will still be there. That's why it's good to have alternative means of payments. That is what Bitcoin is and that is what you should consider it as.

So there are basically 2 scenarios here.

Scenario 1: Internet access to a particular region is shut down
If this happens it won't effect the bitcoin network in any way because bitcoin is decentralized and the transactions will keep getting confirmed by the other nodes which are outside those regions.

Scenario 2: Internet access to the whole world is shut down
This is highly unlikely to happen because it would require a huge catostrophic event for that to happen.
Even in that case what would happen is that the internet might be down for some days throughout the world but whenever it comes back up the bitcoin network will resume and the transactions will be mined by the miners again.

So there is nothing to worry about.

Satellite internet and move to other country are the solution, I don't see any problem at all.

If someone can't even afford to buy satellite internet or fly to other country, it means they're not rich, not rich means not invest a lot in Bitcoin. That's why even there was a shutdown on internet connection in your country, it doesn't affect Bitcoin price.

No ones ready to face internet blackout.

I did see the news on several news channels, and clearly the unrest raises valid concerns that these politicians should be ashamed of as the job quota is pretty much nepotism which disadvantages the students for a chance to find a job in government and they should rescind their decision to avoid the discrimination.

And shutting off the internet just validates the protests and shows how dictatorial they are trying to be...let them act civil about this & not go the path they have chosen.

This is why I don't like politicians because they will force unfavorable laws on people and when things go south they will be in the comfort of their homes away from all the heat.

I guess satellite internet is the way to go, hope Elon Musk is watching and making services like Starlink available to avoid such government shutdowns and keep crypto usage in such situations.

Yeah, but it isn't portable. That's probably my main concern as of now. I don't think any competitors would be in the same playing field as them soon... Being able to launch the satellites as and when they want would give them the competitive advantage that most others wouldn't have.

Yeah, you just need to purchase the kit. The way I see it is that there will always be areas where it can't be completely fulfilled. The needs of the people cannot easily be substituted by most of the other solutions there we have. I bet if the internet is cut off, there'll be better things to worry about anyways. Fulfilling the basic needs should be the priority.

That is too bad. It would apply to literally any tech that operates on the radio frequency. I don't foresee a quick and easy solution to circumvent this. In areas where internet is restricted, I would think that regulations would prohibit any of these sorts of tech. Doesn't mean they cannot operate though, Iran is an example.
If your internet is cut off, then the focus should be on facilitating offline transactions. If you can get internet to retrieve the invoice, then this topic probably wouldn't be a problem at all.