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April 22, 2017, 11:46:06 AM
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i think central banks is not losing control and they still operate with good and they give their service to their members. i don't think that bitcoin will affect too much with them because until now bitcoin is not already accepted in many country and only few country accepted and many banks in the world is not having any problem. but we don't know about what is going on with china central bank as the central bank will not telling to us if they are really losing control.
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April 22, 2017, 11:44:13 AM
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Most of the banking police and regulatory laws are against the poorest in our society and that is why central bank programs and roles create more poor people around the world.they claim absolute control over their currencies, interest rate e.t.c but why are we having harper inflation in almost all the developing countries and some developed countries?

Hmm, I might have a point. Because most of the developing countries that have debt from banks will certainly experience inflation, because it is a system of the bank give a heavier burden for borrowers. Because the bank is also where the profiteers, hopefully this can be immediately in the evaluation so that in the future all of them can run with lancara, if not then I have predictions that bitcoin is going to be a helper or in the currency used by most of the developing countries
 
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April 22, 2017, 11:31:27 AM
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They are not losing control of their own currencies. They are losing power because of the other asshole central banks who print more money than they do.  Grin

BoJ for example no matter how many bills they print every year, they can't stop deflation. They lost the control once because  of the asshole FED.

ECB, FED, BoE, BoC are in a money printing race. Whoever prints the most FIAT will win. When they stop printing, people will buy the other CB's cheaper stuff  . They can't stop printing. They won't.
That'd be an argument against more centralization if we are to assume that competition is bad among central banks. IMHO, the fact that certain currencies have less inflation could be perceived as an advantage at times of financial stability but sadly that's not the kind of phase the global economy is currently going through.
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April 22, 2017, 11:27:05 AM
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They are not losing control of their own currencies. They are losing power because of the other asshole central banks who print more money than they do.  Grin

BoJ for example no matter how many bills they print every year, they can't stop deflation. They lost the control once because  of the asshole FED.

ECB, FED, BoE, BoC are in a money printing race. Whoever prints the most FIAT will win. When they stop printing, people will buy the other CB's cheaper stuff  . They can't stop printing. They won't.
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April 22, 2017, 11:22:32 AM
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Central banks are not losing control only, in my opinion. They are also losing their mind. Since long time now but only recently people start to see it clearly. But thinking that China can shut down bitcoin with no problems as it is say in the article is just silly i think. And the Central Bank does not set interest rates nor any other fees or charges
China could easily mess with Bitcoin transactions within China if they wanted to. See here: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/11/evil_isps_could_disrupt_bitcoins_blockchain/

Also who do you think sets interest rates if not Central Banks?
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April 22, 2017, 11:17:52 AM
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Central banks are not losing control only, in my opinion. They are also losing their mind. Since long time now but only recently people start to see it clearly. But thinking that China can shut down bitcoin with no problems as it is say in the article is just silly i think. And the Central Bank does not set interest rates nor any other fees or charges
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April 22, 2017, 10:53:42 AM
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Most of the banking police and regulatory laws are against the poorest in our society and that is why central bank programs and roles create more poor people around the world.they claim absolute control over their currencies, interest rate e.t.c but why are we having harper inflation in almost all the developing countries and some developed countries?
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April 18, 2017, 03:43:40 PM
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Eight years after the crisis of 2008-09, central banks are still injecting $200 billion a month into the global financial system to keep it from imploding.

If you want a central banker to choke on his croissant, read him this quote from socio-historian Immanuel Wallerstein: "Countries (have lost the ability) to control what happens to them in the ongoing life of the modern world-system."
Stated another way, Wallerstein is asking: what do central banks no longer control?
The quote is from Wallerstein's recent meditation on China: China is Confident: How Realistic?
"The question is how realistic is this self-assessment of China? There are two premises embedded in China’s self-confidence, whose validity need to be investigated. The first is that countries, or rather the governments of states, can actually control what is happening to them in the world-economy. The second is that countries can effectively contain popular discontent, whether by suppression or by limited concessions to demands.
If this was ever even partially true in the modern world-system, these assertions have become very dubious in the structural crisis of the world capitalist system in which we find ourselves today."

Central banks still claim absolute control over their currency, interest rates,what's legal/outlawed in their financial systems, and so on.
Wallerstein is suggesting that era has ended and central banks are losing control of the value of their currency, their role in the global economy and the social discontent that is the ripening harvest of central bank policies that have greatly enriched the rich at the expense of everyone else.
I don't think Wallerstein picked China out a hat. Though every central bank is experiencing the same erosion of control, China is visibly losing control of the value of its currency, the yuan, and its runaway debt burden, which has skyrocketed from less than 20 trillion RMB 13 years ago to over 160 trillion RMB.



This matters because instability in a nation's currency quickly spreads to the economy and then to society: as a currency depreciates, the value of everyone's money declines, i.e. the purchasing power of their money is diminished.
When a currency is devalued, everyone holding that currency is instantly poorer.
When people become poorer through no fault of their own, they become angry with the authorities who engineered the devaluation or let it happen.
This leads to the social discontent Wallerstein references.
Another erosion of purchasing power occurs when wages stagnate while the price of goods and services rises. Can central banks control the erosion of wages' purchasing power? There is little evidence they can.

As for a central bank's control of its role in the global economy: those confident in China's ascent to global #1 power assume China will remain the world's workshop at least until its domestic populace can absorb all the goods it produces.
But it seems increasingly evident China's role as the world's workshop is under threat, and that it doesn't control the erosion of that role. Domestic populism is trending against globalism, wages are rising in China as the populace urbanizes, prices are rising faster than wages and the potential for disruptive trade wars is rising.
As for what's outlawed/banned: recently, I've been engaged in some lively online debates about the possibility of China banning bitcoin transactions.
Most people in the discussion reckon China (or any government with a high degree of control of its populace) can shut down bitcoin with no difficulty. The threat of a severe penalty would be enough, or so I'm told.
I'm not so sure. Look what prohibiting alcohol did: it created an entire economy devoted to bypassing the authorities' restrictions on alcohol. The penalties were fairly severe, but threats didn't work when profits beckoned.
If a nation's currency is losing purchasing power, threats are unlikely to be effective. Indeed, threatening the populace as they try to retain the purchasing power of their capital/savings would be an act of desperation born of a recognized loss of control.

Wallerstein is right: central banks--including the Federal Reserve-- are losing control of the value of their currencies, their role in the global economy and the social discontent that arises as central bank policies negatively impact average citizens.
It's by no means guaranteed that central banks will be able to maintain their death-grip on interest rates, either.
Eight years after the crisis of 2008-09, central banks are still injecting $200 billion a month into the global financial system to keep it from imploding. The returns on their "investment" is diminishing rapidly, and they're losing control of everything that matters.



http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2017/03/are-central-banks-losing-control.html

Are central banks losing control? There could be evidence for it.

The bubble can't be inflated forever, at a certain point it will pop.   Shocked

Many common financial policies and social programs are acknowledged as being unsustainable.

What does everyone think about this?
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