We don't know how much liabilities an exchange has hence how would we know how much of their PoR would cover? On another note, didn't some of the auditors even backed out lol?
That being said, I don't find it reliable and it honestly sounds like a gimmick to me. As a whole, it doesn't change the whole picture when it comes to the level of caution I need to have when using CEX so I don't care that much.
Topic: Are exchanges evading proof of reserves unsafe for users? (Read 190 times)
The level of feeling that my money is safe is the half hour that follows the first confirmation of the deposit, then the exchange and then the withdrawal to my address. I also deposit small amounts of less than $ 1000 and I do not want to do KYC, all these things make me very suspicious and do not trust any platform that revolves There are rumors around them or they lie about their reserves.
Therefore, to understand it, the platforms tried to tell you that your money is safe. Do not leave your money with them for more than this half hour, or at least do not let an amount of money that you fear losing, or that it may cause you financial problems.
This sense may be different for others who wish to complete identity verification or trust regulators in their country.
Therefore, to understand it, the platforms tried to tell you that your money is safe. Do not leave your money with them for more than this half hour, or at least do not let an amount of money that you fear losing, or that it may cause you financial problems.
This sense may be different for others who wish to complete identity verification or trust regulators in their country.
I learnt that Bitget has provided its own user protection fund wallet addresses information to the public to always view. This recent wake up call to strengthening the security of users asset is in response to FTX saga and several news of security exploitation. It will soon evolve into solid structure that will bring sanity into this space.
This is what makes the difference really, it's never enough to release proof of funds but are they verifiable? I feel safer when these exchanges go the extra mile to provide this information to the public to actually audit them. 
I noticed that all the exchanges that I am using like Binance, Bybit, OKX, Huobi global and Kucoin all have proof-of-reserve. There are many exchanges that are having it that crypto exchange users can choose from.
Lol, Binance?
https://coinmarketcap.com/community/articles/63a2946981d6291ec15005c8/
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Apart from that, Binance’s released proof-of-reserves shows a gap of 245 million dollars that claimed to be lent out (Binance claims to have collateral) to a third party and were out of bounds for Mazars. Also, Mazars did not release any reports disclosing the mechanism that it used for conducting the Binance audit.
One more important thing to note here is that, right after releasing its proof-of-reserves reports, Binance moved billions of dollars worth of funds out of its reserve wallets to unknown wallet addresses. When the questions were raised, Binance cited the on-chain activity as nothing but security measures for moving funds to secured cold wallets.
One more important thing to note here is that, right after releasing its proof-of-reserves reports, Binance moved billions of dollars worth of funds out of its reserve wallets to unknown wallet addresses. When the questions were raised, Binance cited the on-chain activity as nothing but security measures for moving funds to secured cold wallets.
Let me guess, you actually believe the whole #SAFU thing?
FACTS:
Japan has legislation in which customer funds be it crypto or fiat can't be moved outside designated bank accounts, Binance fled Jpana not willing to obey, FTX stayed and FTX customers in Japan have received all their money.
The US wants to have the same legislation, but Binance wants to flee and avoid it!
Think again, why don't they want that?
You are not getting me correctly, or maybe you wanted to quote another person. This was included in my post:
But people should not trust proof of reserve because it can be manipulated. We should also not be deceived and still always know that not your key not your coin. Proof of reserve can not prevent the inconveniences of many exchanges and also it can not prevent exchange hack.
I do not believe in proof of reserve and I can not. Only what I believe in is my private key.
The big question is, how reserved is the poof of reserved?
Because just as we have fake trading volume or bot trading in exchange same way exchange can still manipulate the proof of reserves, and of what use will a proof of reserve be if the exchange declare bankruptcy just like what FTC did in 2022.
The bottom line is never to trust an exchange and does not allow your balance on the exchange to exceed the amount you want to trade with to avoid losing all your money trusting using an exchange as your personal wallet.
Always make sure to keep your funds off the exchange, even though the displayed proof of Reserved find (POR).
Because just as we have fake trading volume or bot trading in exchange same way exchange can still manipulate the proof of reserves, and of what use will a proof of reserve be if the exchange declare bankruptcy just like what FTC did in 2022.
The bottom line is never to trust an exchange and does not allow your balance on the exchange to exceed the amount you want to trade with to avoid losing all your money trusting using an exchange as your personal wallet.
Always make sure to keep your funds off the exchange, even though the displayed proof of Reserved find (POR).
You have some valid point but the crypto market is all about taking risk and also trading with what you can afford to loose. FTX was an accident and a huge lesson to other top exchanges. I wouldn't discredit the idea of proof of reserve even though it can be manipulated but its an idea that have restored confidence in the market.
It's also worthy to note that exchanges like Binance, OKX and particularly Bitget have launched 'Customer Protection Fund' which is currently exceeding $2 billion in total. This is another asset security measure these three have in place and I also learnt Houbi and Coinbase have a similar arrangement but in the form insurance. So I guess in no distance time the crypto market will have more sanity than what we use to have. Its an emerging space and we are evolving
Binance has safu which is something relieving but the big question is, is the safe fund registered with an insurance company that can step in to settle customers when things go wrong?
I understand your concern but remember we are in a decentralized space and I or other users may not subscribe to the idea of registering the protection fund with any insurance company. The bureaucratic bottleneck that will follow when you want to access your funds would be enough to discourage you. I learnt that Bitget has provided its own user protection fund wallet addresses information to the public to always view. This recent wake up call to strengthening the security of users asset is in response to FTX saga and several news of security exploitation. It will soon evolve into solid structure that will bring sanity into this space.
definitely, we aren't lacking the number of such platform out there, therefore you should just stick with the ones thats transparent I think CMC already gives badge towards these services that tries to disclose their proof of reserve, somewhat, i might be mistaken though but regardless it just goes to show their commitment that they are becoming transparent because they are committed to be a really good platform for anyone that wants to journey into the career of investing and trading cryptocurrencies.
if you are really concerned about your wealth and assets overall, judging by their transparency is first priority i guess to get a glimpse of how trusted these services truly are.
if you are really concerned about your wealth and assets overall, judging by their transparency is first priority i guess to get a glimpse of how trusted these services truly are.
This issue started since the exit of FTX and now we are talking about this again, Binance showed their financial capability and I think that can be a good relief to Binance users and other exchanges also did this. Well, the question is, is this enough to be called a safe exchange? Honestly anything can happen in an instant just look at FTX as an example, it is a top exchange before but look at what happened. If you don’t want to be on trouble and don’t want think about this from time to time, better not to hold big funds on any exchanges.
Since FTX's demise, I've heard some unfavorable things about cryptocurrencies, which prompted me to do some research on them generally because people were portraying them as scams as a result of the market crash. After doing some research, I learned that there are centralized coins and some (few) decentralized coins, but I think Bitcoin is special because it was the first to make people aware of what cryptocurrencies were all about.Since nobody is excellent and everyone makes mistakes at first, I have stopped trusting exchanges because I believe that any centralized project or exchange could betray its users and lead to the project's demise.
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As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
As a trader, you shouldn't be naive that most of these CEXs are using almost the same strategy used by institutional banks to get their customer trust. The proof of reserves is just another strategy used by CEX so that their user can have more trust in the exchange in other to use it as storage which is not something every crypto enthusiast must do.As a trader proof of reserves or not you shouldn't totally trust or feel safe with any CEX.
Proof of reserves ...//:::,,,
As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
That gives you confidence, if, well, you end up "taken by the balls", read the list of Exchanges that have pending payments due to different circumstances.
Please! you may understand, trading itself is defined as a high risk activity for the assets available, but the The issue is that you are at risk from the moment you deposit them, even if you do not make a single transaction, that is; You accept it and live with it, but doing it correctly, for example not depositing money that you are not willing to lose, e.g./etc.
Please! you may understand, trading itself is defined as a high risk activity for the assets available, but the The issue is that you are at risk from the moment you deposit them, even if you do not make a single transaction, that is what you have to understand and live with it.
As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
I don't really care about it because prior to FTX collapse, no one really care about proof of reserves. The thing is, if an exchange is going to collapse, proof of reserve will have little to no effect on such an event (my personal belief) so this is why I'm not too big on exchanges declaring their proof of reserves as it could be faked since most of those reserve assets are not publicly available on-chain plus there's plenty of moving parts with this sort of things. Definitely a "nice to have" attribute but not the ultimate decider for me
Proof of reserves is designed to get exchanges demonstrate transparency by proving that customers deposits are safe in their possession. In an industry riddled with uncertainties and fraud, the need to reassure investors that their funds are safe cannot be overemphasised.
In a bid to raise transparency and trust in cryptocurrency exchanges Proof of reserves allows customers and auditors to indeed verify that exchanges retain the funds they deposited in them.
Unfortunately only a handful of exchanges currently offer any kind of proof of reserves for their customers; while some cite security, cost and competitive disadvantages for their failure to release their proof of reserves, the bold ones have gone on to release theirs.
As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
I think you are referring to liquidity but using another term of POR. I had some discussions on this topic before. Well here in your case. People prefer to chose exchanges on many factors. Because there are those people who like DEXs over CEXs and vice versa. Then comes the factors on which they chose qhixh DEXs or CEXs they should select for trading purposes. In a bid to raise transparency and trust in cryptocurrency exchanges Proof of reserves allows customers and auditors to indeed verify that exchanges retain the funds they deposited in them.
Unfortunately only a handful of exchanges currently offer any kind of proof of reserves for their customers; while some cite security, cost and competitive disadvantages for their failure to release their proof of reserves, the bold ones have gone on to release theirs.
As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
1. The one on which the token they want to trade is listed.
2. That exchange must have liquidity to execute the trade.
3. Mostly select only those exchanges either they are cexs or dexs which are most famous and are in the market for longer period of time.
Except above many other factors are also keep in mind but that depend on person to person. Overall, the liquidity details are only available if they approve POR we can see the liquidity of a exchange on many websites like CMC or coingecko etc.
Proof of reserves is designed to get exchanges demonstrate transparency by proving that customers deposits are safe in their possession. In an industry riddled with uncertainties and fraud, the need to reassure investors that their funds are safe cannot be overemphasised.
In a bid to raise transparency and trust in cryptocurrency exchanges Proof of reserves allows customers and auditors to indeed verify that exchanges retain the funds they deposited in them.
Unfortunately only a handful of exchanges currently offer any kind of proof of reserves for their customers; while some cite security, cost and competitive disadvantages for their failure to release their proof of reserves, the bold ones have gone on to release theirs.
As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
Imagine being able to verify with your own eyes that the exchange you're using actually holds the funds it claims to have. Exchanges that offer proof of reserve empower you to see for yourself, building trust and confidence in the platform. so hell yeah I'd entrust my assets with such exchange tbh
In a bid to raise transparency and trust in cryptocurrency exchanges Proof of reserves allows customers and auditors to indeed verify that exchanges retain the funds they deposited in them.
Unfortunately only a handful of exchanges currently offer any kind of proof of reserves for their customers; while some cite security, cost and competitive disadvantages for their failure to release their proof of reserves, the bold ones have gone on to release theirs.
As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
Imagine being able to verify with your own eyes that the exchange you're using actually holds the funds it claims to have. Exchanges that offer proof of reserve empower you to see for yourself, building trust and confidence in the platform. so hell yeah I'd entrust my assets with such exchange tbh
Proof of reserve, or no proof of reserve, what if the exchange gets hacked? Does that still mean that your deposit is saved? If an exchange gets hacked and encounter a significant loss, they cannot even instantly return their customers funds back, but rather it will take some time, if at all they will even return them. One good approach for using an exchange is to just not store your assets there; if you are not using your assets for any business on the exchange, then they should be in your personal wallet. Perhaps, just as Oshosondy has said, some exchanges can even manipulate those proofs of reserve, and customers will be deceived into believing that their deposit is safe. Every trader should just be sure they are using a reputable exchange.
Imo, the last point is the most important: being certain that you're using a suitable exchange. A few months ago, when I was looking to switch to a CEX, I conducted thorough research on Merkel tree, securities, licenses, and other factors before making my choice. I found out that exchanges like Binance and Bitget have a protection fund as an extra layer of security, which streamlined my decision. Nowadays, I primarily use the latter due to its copy trading feature. 
I noticed that all the exchanges that I am using like Binance, Bybit, OKX, Huobi global and Kucoin all have proof-of-reserve. There are many exchanges that are having it that crypto exchange users can choose from.
Lol, Binance?
https://coinmarketcap.com/community/articles/63a2946981d6291ec15005c8/
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Apart from that, Binance’s released proof-of-reserves shows a gap of 245 million dollars that claimed to be lent out (Binance claims to have collateral) to a third party and were out of bounds for Mazars. Also, Mazars did not release any reports disclosing the mechanism that it used for conducting the Binance audit.
One more important thing to note here is that, right after releasing its proof-of-reserves reports, Binance moved billions of dollars worth of funds out of its reserve wallets to unknown wallet addresses. When the questions were raised, Binance cited the on-chain activity as nothing but security measures for moving funds to secured cold wallets.
One more important thing to note here is that, right after releasing its proof-of-reserves reports, Binance moved billions of dollars worth of funds out of its reserve wallets to unknown wallet addresses. When the questions were raised, Binance cited the on-chain activity as nothing but security measures for moving funds to secured cold wallets.
Let me guess, you actually believe the whole #SAFU thing?
FACTS:
Japan has legislation in which customer funds be it crypto or fiat can't be moved outside designated bank accounts, Binance fled Jpana not willing to obey, FTX stayed and FTX customers in Japan have received all their money.
The US wants to have the same legislation, but Binance wants to flee and avoid it!
Think again, why don't they want that?
This issue started since the exit of FTX and now we are talking about this again, Binance showed their financial capability and I think that can be a good relief to Binance users and other exchanges also did this. Well, the question is, is this enough to be called a safe exchange? Honestly anything can happen in an instant just look at FTX as an example, it is a top exchange before but look at what happened. If you don’t want to be on trouble and don’t want think about this from time to time, better not to hold big funds on any exchanges.
that is true, we can't get an absolute assurance from all these exchanges, whether they are at the top or not. but one thing you can safeguard your funds is get out your funds as soon as you finished trading. secure it in your own wallet where you have full control of your funds.
having proof of reserve of funds won't guarantee that they will rug pull or do something unexpected. they can easily give the wallet address having their funds but they have full control of such funds, so they can still do what they want to do with their vault money.
Even depositing money in a bank doesn't guarantee us, so it's risky to use centralized exchanges no matter how much proof they have in reserve or they're backed by anyone. But honestly, if you are a long-term holder, leaving your assets on exchanges is the dumbest thing to do. But if you are a trader, daily deposits and withdrawals are cumbersome and difficult to do. Trade does not always start and end during the day so it is difficult to withdraw at the end of the day, not to mention the fees we have to pay if we lose that day. Therefore, once we have accepted to be day traders, we should be aware of the risks of using centralized exchanges as well as other risks.
As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
So far, No crypto exchange manage to provide an official proof of reserved that is audited by official auditors.
Proof of reserves is designed to get exchanges demonstrate transparency by proving that customers deposits are safe in their possession. In an industry riddled with uncertainties and fraud, the need to reassure investors that their funds are safe cannot be overemphasised.
In a bid to raise transparency and trust in cryptocurrency exchanges Proof of reserves allows customers and auditors to indeed verify that exchanges retain the funds they deposited in them.
Unfortunately only a handful of exchanges currently offer any kind of proof of reserves for their customers; while some cite security, cost and competitive disadvantages for their failure to release their proof of reserves, the bold ones have gone on to release theirs.
As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
In a bid to raise transparency and trust in cryptocurrency exchanges Proof of reserves allows customers and auditors to indeed verify that exchanges retain the funds they deposited in them.
Unfortunately only a handful of exchanges currently offer any kind of proof of reserves for their customers; while some cite security, cost and competitive disadvantages for their failure to release their proof of reserves, the bold ones have gone on to release theirs.
As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
You see that proof of reserve thing, it doesn't prove anything. Last year when the famous clown and FTX collapse, it begin to raise many questions if exchanges have coins on there wallet as they say to the public and then, the whole crypto community began to panic, follow by many FUD that started on Kucoin and then to Crypto.com exchange, so many people withdraw there exchange and when they found out that the rumours has done damages, finance announce their audit and wallet balance just to mitigate the damages but guess what Crypto.com exchange did. They went to borrow money from Gate exchange and show as proof of reserve only to secretly move out the usdt back to Gate exchange they were caught by chain analysts and mini onchain FBIs on twitter.
The earlier you accept that your coins are not safe on the exchange the better for your health, you will have peace of mind and enough time to sleep. Many who left there savings on FTX are still hurt today because they never listen to "not your keys, not your coins". Proof of reserve open the eye of the public in 2022 but some of them were very foolish to withdraw their coin from other exchange and then sent to Binance thinking CZ will protect them, pathetic right!
For me, I would simply avoid the centralized exchange that does not give Proof Of Reserve. Tho if you love playing with Centralized Exchange you should be aware with your fund and maybe only deposit enough for trading and withdraw to fiat and other asset save it in cold wallet.
Coingecko now provide data about proof of reserves that centralized exchange have https://www.coingecko.com/en/exchanges
if you still aware then you can use DeX
Coingecko now provide data about proof of reserves that centralized exchange have https://www.coingecko.com/en/exchanges
if you still aware then you can use DeX
As a trader, do you feel safe using such exchanges that haven’t released theirs or should the more transparent ones be given preference?
While I'd definitely prefer if the exchange provides non-opaque proof-of-reserves, I don't worry that much. My money on centralized exchanges are extremely small that while I don't want to lose the money, I'll just end up having a scratch if the exchange goes bust.
^Also nothing that I mostly trade on GMX and Uniswap for a good while now.
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Proof of reserve, or no proof of reserve, what if the exchange gets hacked? Does that still mean that your deposit is saved? If an exchange gets hacked and encounter a significant loss, they cannot even instantly return their customers funds back, but rather it will take some time, if at all they will even return them. One good approach for using an exchange is to just not store your assets there; if you are not using your assets for any business on the exchange, then they should be in your personal wallet. Perhaps, just as Oshosondy has said, some exchanges can even manipulate those proofs of reserve, and customers will be deceived into believing that their deposit is safe. Every trader should just be sure they are using a reputable exchange.
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