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Quote from: helloeverybody on December 23, 2015, 05:32:35 PM

Quote from: poorshibe9 on December 23, 2015, 05:12:56 PM

i think that more secure are only hardware wallets

I disagree, I think paper wallets are more secure. There s no way your getting it connected to the Internet and stored correctly will last forever, how long do you think a hardware wallet would last? Could last ages but there's parts that could fall.

you buy one new each year problem solved, i find more easy to store the wallet.dat in the usb than wasting time with a paper wallet, that at the end it's not really more secure as many think

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Quote from: helloeverybody on December 23, 2015, 07:39:21 PM

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Quote from: notlist3d on December 23, 2015, 06:46:35 PM

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Quote from: poorshibe9 on December 23, 2015, 05:12:56 PM

i think that more secure are only hardware wallets

I disagree, I think paper wallets are more secure. There s no way your getting it connected to the Internet and stored correctly will last forever, how long do you think a hardware wallet would last? Could last ages but there's parts that could fall.

I don't think you have used a hardware wallet. Have you if so which one? Anyone that has should know you have have wallet seed words that you still keep safe. Best is write them down and put in safety deposit box. And you get hardware wallet that never let's private key on computer, and signs transactions on device.

If your wallet breaks... get a new one enter seed words on recovery and you can access old wallet.

I've actually never no, although id like one I don't think you could beat good old paper. I know hardware wallets are safe just not as safe as paper imo.

Your basing this off no information. You admit you never used one... so you don't have first hand knowledge. What do you base your knowledge off of? Please show where you got info.

I suggest reading about some hardware wallets. It is actually much safer then paper if you need access to it as it keeps the key off of the PC and signing never happens on PC on the 2 ive tested so far. The recovery word's never even are on your computer screen so even if compromised so much they can view screen.... it does nothing as seed words appear on LCD on device.

Look up TREZOR as it is most known. I think you will find you are very much wrong. I can use device on computer and access it if needed without risking compromise. And if breaks/need new for some reason I can get seed word's from my safety deposit box when I get replacement.

I am really curious on places you got info you base this off of.

In sure this has probably been sorted for a while now but still http://johoe.mooo.com/trezor-power-analysis/

Its not that in saying hardware wallets are unsafe, just that I prefer paper and feel paper is safer for a fraction of the price.

You are not comparing them even. In that case they have a hold of your TREZOR and it would have to be in a firmware that has been fixed. Read that article again it has been fixed.

If they had your paper wallet in front of them no tools or trying involved... they have your private key or seed's. So still in this situation hardware wins I think.

You reaching now trying to find info.. you found a old one that required having the TREZOR that has been fixed. You originally said " how long do you think a hardware wallet would last? Could last ages but there's parts that could fall. " That proved you never used one. I just think your opinion lacks actual usage and that alone shows it.

I just hate mis-information being spread which you original post is full of. I think we could go on forever... but I think we should honestly just leave it at you need some first hand experience before you really have a good opinion.

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Quote from: notlist3d on December 23, 2015, 07:02:21 PM

Quote from: helloeverybody on December 23, 2015, 06:55:41 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on December 23, 2015, 06:46:35 PM

Quote from: helloeverybody on December 23, 2015, 05:32:35 PM

Quote from: poorshibe9 on December 23, 2015, 05:12:56 PM

i think that more secure are only hardware wallets

I disagree, I think paper wallets are more secure. There s no way your getting it connected to the Internet and stored correctly will last forever, how long do you think a hardware wallet would last? Could last ages but there's parts that could fall.

I don't think you have used a hardware wallet. Have you if so which one? Anyone that has should know you have have wallet seed words that you still keep safe. Best is write them down and put in safety deposit box. And you get hardware wallet that never let's private key on computer, and signs transactions on device.

If your wallet breaks... get a new one enter seed words on recovery and you can access old wallet.

I've actually never no, although id like one I don't think you could beat good old paper. I know hardware wallets are safe just not as safe as paper imo.

Your basing this off no information. You admit you never used one... so you don't have first hand knowledge. What do you base your knowledge off of? Please show where you got info.

I suggest reading about some hardware wallets. It is actually much safer then paper if you need access to it as it keeps the key off of the PC and signing never happens on PC on the 2 ive tested so far. The recovery word's never even are on your computer screen so even if compromised so much they can view screen.... it does nothing as seed words appear on LCD on device.

Look up TREZOR as it is most known. I think you will find you are very much wrong. I can use device on computer and access it if needed without risking compromise. And if breaks/need new for some reason I can get seed word's from my safety deposit box when I get replacement.

I am really curious on places you got info you base this off of.

In sure this has probably been sorted for a while now but still http://johoe.mooo.com/trezor-power-analysis/

Its not that in saying hardware wallets are unsafe, just that I prefer paper and feel paper is safer for a fraction of the price.

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Quote from: helloeverybody on December 23, 2015, 06:55:41 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on December 23, 2015, 06:46:35 PM

Quote from: helloeverybody on December 23, 2015, 05:32:35 PM

Quote from: poorshibe9 on December 23, 2015, 05:12:56 PM

i think that more secure are only hardware wallets

I disagree, I think paper wallets are more secure. There s no way your getting it connected to the Internet and stored correctly will last forever, how long do you think a hardware wallet would last? Could last ages but there's parts that could fall.

I don't think you have used a hardware wallet. Have you if so which one? Anyone that has should know you have have wallet seed words that you still keep safe. Best is write them down and put in safety deposit box. And you get hardware wallet that never let's private key on computer, and signs transactions on device.

If your wallet breaks... get a new one enter seed words on recovery and you can access old wallet.

I've actually never no, although id like one I don't think you could beat good old paper. I know hardware wallets are safe just not as safe as paper imo.

Your basing this off no information. You admit you never used one... so you don't have first hand knowledge. What do you base your knowledge off of? Please show where you got info.

I suggest reading about some hardware wallets. It is actually much safer then paper if you need access to it as it keeps the key off of the PC and signing never happens on PC on the 2 ive tested so far. The recovery word's never even are on your computer screen so even if compromised so much they can view screen.... it does nothing as seed words appear on LCD on device.

Look up TREZOR as it is most known. I think you will find you are very much wrong. I can use device on computer and access it if needed without risking compromise. And if breaks/need new for some reason I can get seed word's from my safety deposit box when I get replacement.

I am really curious on places you got info you base this off of.

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Think that the paper wallet is the only way to keep safe your bitcoin without Internet. That's absolutely the best way to keep safe your bitcoin.

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Quote from: notlist3d on December 23, 2015, 06:46:35 PM

Quote from: helloeverybody on December 23, 2015, 05:32:35 PM

Quote from: poorshibe9 on December 23, 2015, 05:12:56 PM

i think that more secure are only hardware wallets

I disagree, I think paper wallets are more secure. There s no way your getting it connected to the Internet and stored correctly will last forever, how long do you think a hardware wallet would last? Could last ages but there's parts that could fall.

I don't think you have used a hardware wallet. Have you if so which one? Anyone that has should know you have have wallet seed words that you still keep safe. Best is write them down and put in safety deposit box. And you get hardware wallet that never let's private key on computer, and signs transactions on device.

If your wallet breaks... get a new one enter seed words on recovery and you can access old wallet.

I've actually never no, although id like one I don't think you could beat good old paper. I know hardware wallets are safe just not as safe as paper imo.

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Quote from: helloeverybody on December 23, 2015, 05:32:35 PM

Quote from: poorshibe9 on December 23, 2015, 05:12:56 PM

i think that more secure are only hardware wallets

I disagree, I think paper wallets are more secure. There s no way your getting it connected to the Internet and stored correctly will last forever, how long do you think a hardware wallet would last? Could last ages but there's parts that could fall.

I don't think you have used a hardware wallet. Have you if so which one? Anyone that has should know you have have wallet seed words that you still keep safe. Best is write them down and put in safety deposit box. And you get hardware wallet that never let's private key on computer, and signs transactions on device.

If your wallet breaks... get a new one enter seed words on recovery and you can access old wallet.

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Paper wallet is the best choice to save your coin. No one could stole your coin, I can ensure you this. For stole your coin thief have to have only your private key.

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they must be if you create it without the internet connection though you need to hide the qr codes in places where no one could find

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Quote from: poorshibe9 on December 23, 2015, 05:12:56 PM

i think that more secure are only hardware wallets

I disagree, I think paper wallets are more secure. There s no way your getting it connected to the Internet and stored correctly will last forever, how long do you think a hardware wallet would last? Could last ages but there's parts that could fall.

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i think that more secure are only hardware wallets

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Quote from: fravia on December 23, 2015, 02:14:56 PM

i created my wallet on bitaddress website and its still safe and not hacked, my bitcoins are not stolen so i guess its pretty much secure though i dont have a lot of coins to be honest, to be even more safer i believe the only option is to buy a hardware wallet and deposit your coins to it

I'm been playing with a few hardware wallets. They really do add security without near as much possibility to screw up as paper wallets. Hot wallets are kinda a different thing as they are needed for certain applications.

But honestly I make 0 money for everyone that does it. But look into hardware wallet, there are a few great choices out there.

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i created my wallet on bitaddress website and its still safe and not hacked, my bitcoins are not stolen so i guess its pretty much secure though i dont have a lot of coins to be honest, to be even more safer i believe the only option is to buy a hardware wallet and deposit your coins to it

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It is as much secure as much you store the sensitive information in a very secure safe place, but in generally paper wallets are safe enough

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I could really recommend it. It works great and is very easy to get it run.

Go to https://github.com/pointbiz/bitaddress.org and click "Download zip" button on the right side.

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Quote from: ironbit on December 23, 2015, 10:31:06 AM

Okay, I figured out that bitaddress.org's software is really easy to install. Just download from github and open the html file. Then you have got the same functionality as on bitaddress.org in offline mode.
So, I have got solved my problem Wink

Quote from: afriezalie on December 23, 2015, 10:26:44 AM

Maybe you can use a software to generate paper wallet in offline computer. It's better than generate a paper wallet by web service. Online generating is good enough but still you must aware with the site owner and the site reputation.

i didnt realise you can download from github. all my wallets are made online but ive started to get more paranoid these days. maybe i will print of some nice new ones on an offline machine just to be doubly sure.

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Paper wallets are more secure in my opinion, I used to have my wallet on a flashdrive and it got corrupt. So I started using paper wallets since then.

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Young but I'm not that bold

Although all people will advice you to generate your paper wallets offline, I did it twice before online using bitaddress and nothing happened to my funds tell I spent them.
As long as your computer is not defected with viruses or trojans, do not fear about your paper wallets especially if they hold small amounts as you mentioned

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Quote from: helloeverybody on December 23, 2015, 01:28:00 PM

i didnt realise you can download from github. all my wallets are made online but ive started to get more paranoid these days. maybe i will print of some nice new ones on an offline machine just to be doubly sure.

I recently bought a new laptop solely for using Bitcoin Core. You can never be too paranoid when bitcoin is involved.

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Quote from: ironbit on December 23, 2015, 10:31:06 AM

Okay, I figured out that bitaddress.org's software is really easy to install. Just download from github and open the html file. Then you have got the same functionality as on bitaddress.org in offline mode.
So, I have got solved my problem Wink

Quote from: afriezalie on December 23, 2015, 10:26:44 AM

Maybe you can use a software to generate paper wallet in offline computer. It's better than generate a paper wallet by web service. Online generating is good enough but still you must aware with the site owner and the site reputation.

i didnt realise you can download from github. all my wallets are made online but ive started to get more paranoid these days. maybe i will print of some nice new ones on an offline machine just to be doubly sure.

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Quote from: ironbit on December 23, 2015, 06:34:13 AM

I want to create a few paper wallets to give small amounts of Bitcoin away for Christmas.
I am wondering whether those paper wallet generators are really secure. The site owner could store the generated keys, couldn't it?
Consider to create the wallets on bitaddress.org

If your computer is clean & has no malware then it should be totally safe to create a paper wallet on bitaddress. I have created many there and had no issues. Make sure you use a dumb/old/shitty but working printer. Clear your cookies & cache after you're done, you need to cover all angles.

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