Topic: Are there any Bitcoiners here who are living offgrid? - page 2. (Read 425 times)

Wow, it sounds very interesting although I don't know actually what kind of obstacles that you have been facing so far. But living offgrid like that and being so simple and freedom are really interesting. This freedom may give you what you exactly want.
But, once more, thus will depend on how people are living im certain area, what kind of activities and living that we have.
For me personally, I cannot do it this thing. And this will be probably difficult to stay or live such free, bank and goverment are still the most powerful. Whatsmore is that BTC is still ilegal as paymenrt. Moreover many pros and cons are here about crypto. So, this may not work on me
 

I loved this post once I saw its topic.
It has and still is my dream to live in an own discovered and solemn space. In the forest, past the trees and swampland, to a spot which looks exactly like what I have in mind.
I would love a wooden house with an old trailer cabin furnished and well soothed to my taste. Here I can pen down clear thoughts, construct creative artefacts, paint, trade Bitcoin without being too easily distracted.
This is how I envision living off-grid. Even though I love a bit of solitude right now.  One step in the right direction though.

It depends on what you call an offgrid lifestyle.

Personally, with my wife, we live in full autonomy regarding to electricity, water, fruits and vegetables.
We still use 4G to access the internet, still use banks and online banking, and we also pay some taxes.

We try to reduce our dependence on the government and institutions as much as possible. It is not very difficult as here, the government is like non-existing. We live without having to buy gas, because we don't need a car, and we buy very few things.
But of course, when we have to travel to other countries, we depend on planes, trains or buses.
I don't think we live totally offgrid, but it is very close.
Like you, I would like to be able to do more with Bitcoin, which for me is currently more of a storage value.

I think it’s almost impossible to completely live off the grid in today’s world where everyone is holding their phone cameras everywhere. To achieve total freedom from society, one would have cut off social media, the internet and for emergencies use only a burner phone or a fax machine. Even at that, you still can’t live in a place for too long  to move around a lot to avoid prying eyes. It’s a lot of work and big many people can do this, it’s easier for someone your age to cut off social media but the younger people will find this impossible to do because they were born in this era.

This is something unparalleled, and everyone would wish to live such a life, but for a variety of reasons attached to it. As much as I oppose the present political and banking changes in my region, I have no choice but to rely or obey them and not try to live on my own; going off-grid is not an option for me in this point in life. Living off-grid at this point in my life and in my place will do me more harm than good.
You're a huge bitcoin fan, and you're still quite interested in it to this day. I admire and respect your dedication and loyalty to its use, especially at this stage in your life.

This is really nice @Jetcash, the peace and privacy you will be have will be unmatched, but unfortunately I feel that although many people will like to be in your situation that is living off-grid, it is not possible to some people for many reasons;

(1) Marital status: Unless your spouse wants exactly the same, it will be very difficult to convince them to live off-grid with you.
(2) The age of the person: Older people can easily take this decision.
(3) The region in which the person is, is it safe a safe region or not?

Yes, a lot of us who value BTC. I think whenever someone comes to understand BTC so well and appreciates how it works and gives us freedom, questioning the current banking and political system is inevitable, because you would then understand that what the banks and governments are doing is just to use people's money and control them for their own good and not yours; but BTC takes you out of that bondage.

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I am decades and decades away from getting to 81, that's if i would be alive by then, but living off-grid does not look like something i can survive doing, to be cut out from the outside world is really a brave thing to do, and it may be popular in some cultures, but rare in mine. Probably when i get very older my ideas may change, because i believe age may have something to do with people moving off-grid, though i am not so sure of that. Right now i just want to use BTC, live amongst the people in the society, use the public utilities provided and enjoy my life with my family.

If we are using banks, fiat currencies we must observe what are happening with them. You are living and moving around with your converted van but you still use other facilities and products from society. Others who have life like yours surely must know what's happening with banks etc.

Only if you are living a life with a farm and you can have almost everything you need for your life to survive except medical care, you will not have to think too much about bank system.

In addition, you must have survival skills to do things in your life by your own with offgrid lifestyle which requires more skills than usual.

The idea to live off grid and just in nature first occurred to me the many years ago when I read about how  Henry David Thoreau  lived for two-years in a hut in the forest and was self-sufficient. He did so as a form of civil disobedience. Now, my heart is gladden because I see Jet Cash doing going it.  Sadly, I can't do so in my own country for security reasons but it is my goal that someday, I am going to amass so much bitcoin that would give me the power to migrate to a country and live off the grid too being self-sufficient and 90% dependent on bitcoin.

If you are interested in reading more about Henry David Thoreau, you can read the free version of his book, Walden; or, Life in the Woods
by Henry David Thoreau

To those who lived a single life or have no responsibilities anymore, this will be a dream lifestyle.  I agree with others it's not an off-grid kind of life.
Not like the one portrayed by John Malkovich as Marvin of the Red 2 movie who literally lives in the jungle beneath the soil. No phones, maybe hacked internet, and the thought of every move he makes is being monitored by the government. Cash basis for every transaction too.
The powering of the mining rig might be the biggest problem here, if not you will add more budget for the expensive solar panels but you literally need a lot of it. I do always question the political changes especially here in our country, and I don't have a bank account but I don't think I am ready to live that kind of life.

Living in a van and having the freedom to travel everywhere is tempting to do especially if you are single. But with kids like the Didi family, seem to be extreme to get the kids out of the town where they go to school and have friends.

If there is a certain level of being offgrid that I want to also do if ever I'm just single is to live in a boat. Ofc there will still be internet yet I can catch fish wherever I'd be.

I really want it to be like that but it's impossible for me to do so especially at a place like where I live but there is a small mountain where I can live but the problem is the internet and the budget if I want it to happen if I want to run a node. How I see with your situation is much like living offgrid since you are not in one place.

I'm actually a born Nomad who is preparing for that sort of thing with a bunch of people or small community that hopefully will grow big.
My kind of offgrid world will be something that perfectly suit my Nomadic lifestyle... everything has to be mobile and easy to move around when necessary. I'm also considering motorhome for moving around our stations, spreading the Goodnews and saving lives. I hope to design the interior myself and possibly keep things mobile/modular, easy to move around and adjustable to possibly fit in as many people as possible when necessary. Not sure I will allow any rigid/stationary object inside the vehicle. And I want it to be as light as possible.

In my opinion, this kind of lifestyle is how you know true Bitcoiners or Crypto enthusiasts. It's a lifestyle of living a life that's independent of the system and joining an offline/online community that uses Bitcoin/crypto as currency to survive the coming crisis.

First of all good to see how you enjoying your freedom and living life of your own dreams. I don’t know but it seems that you are truly making the use of bitcoin and it’s on chain presence this avoiding everything that can expose your identity mate. For example no documentation at all and no banking visits at all.

I would be straight with you I have not seen anyone who is living such off grid life and neither I have ever thought of this. I think you are 81 and you truly know the power of being free from everything.

For example, I’m way younger than you and I can’t really live a day without my devices, hand held copies of documentation requiring for banking, taxation and what not. I will always have my smartphone with me, cant even work without written SOP in my office. So yeah dam, I can’t go off grid at all.

It would take me guts to live such life. Definitely I salute you for what you have achieved so consistently.

I really want to be like that, free from politics or banking, but for now it's very difficult for me except that I have settled all debts and can also find Bitcoin transactions that can be done P2P without involving banks at all because I receive fiat from selling Bitcoin in cash.

It seems that everyone has a different understanding of living off the grid but is it possible to really live off the grid?, because I've watched a news story about a Japanese woman who actually lives off grid and the source of electricity is only sunlight but finally changes it because global warming makes her can't live without an air conditioner and go back to using electricity for her daily life, and it seems I'm not someone who can live off grid and salute to see there are people who are able to do it.

I understand where coming from, technology would be nothing without the current exciting elements so natural and some man made.
Nevertheless technology is harnessing those elements and converting it to useful product for our use, those elements can exist but with technology to harness them it would mean nothing.

So anyone who has higher technology to harness things get the largest share and so is it with bitcoin mining.

I never seen the definition of offgrid but how I see it is finding a way to live by yourself, with the least Third Parties you can have in your life, without having to rely on pretty much anyone.  Jet Cash is very close to how I see it, but this may of course be different from culture to culture or from mind to mind.

I do know of some people living similar to you, Jet.  I am moving closer and closer to that as well and I think much of the conventional life style is a waste.  Of time, money and other very precious resources.  This includes fashion, trends, having new cars, more luxury houses and other stuff like this.  After all, unless you are a fashion model, no body will ever care how you dressed 1 year ago in the mall let alone 5.  No one will ever care you own a Porsche rather than a Renault.  And so on.  Life does not tighten down, does it.  You are coming close to 81 and you know this more than most of us.

Of course.  One may argue my life style is a waste too.  I am spending a lot of time and resources finding new ways to become invisible to 2023s tracking and surveillance technology when I could live a normal life and not care about this at all.  But if I could stop spending time and also not be monitored like a house arrested criminal I would be grateful and would gladly stop caring so much.  Life choices, right.

If I think about it.  If there are any Bitcoiners living off grid like you or even more to the extreme (least technology possible in their lives).  I think very few would spend their time writing posts on Bitcoin Talk unless it is a thing they like to do.

Also.  To me, living off grid is much like a luxury.  Not every one can make this change.  Well done to you for doing that.

I've been living the vanlife the past 4.5+ years, and living on the road the past 3.5+ years ever since I retired thanks to Bitcoin. Though I mean I use the internet and have a mail forwarding service and have a phone and have a bank...so while my home is off-grid I wouldn't describe my life as off-grid, as DaveF said. Better description is nomad. Off-grid would be like living in the woods fully self-sustained with no need for the services of society.

True offgrid style? You won't be able to mine Bitcoin, how will you power your asic miner? Since you are living in a van you must be traveling around a lot or moving from one place to another so you won't be able to mine Bitcoin and I am not sure it's safe running in a van, you can mount a solar panel on your van roof, someone I knew in the U.S did this but that's for GPU mining algorithm coins like Ethereum. Asic miners generates more heat than Graphic cards and they also consume a lot more power than graphic cards.

You are better off running Bitcoin nodes with Raspberry Pi like you said, they are better for someone like you, you only need your own mini power station to use electricity in your van, watch TV and run your Nodes.

Its probably technically not off grid but its very very close.

My understanding of being off grid is pretty much as you describe as well as being
self sufficient in terms of food but its very difficult to not be connected in some way
or another.


Using solar panels and batteries to generate energy is also linking anyone to
conventional society IMO. Off grid could technically mean  travelling back to pre industrial
revolution to shun all technology, then again what is technology? everything we have
used since our existence is technology.

@ Jet Cash - this year I hope to take a big step closer to being partially off grid,
clear my debts and take a step away from politics and banking. I have already
started the process!