Topic: Are there any communists in this forum? Is it compatible with crypto? - page 2. (Read 726 times)

Crypto doesn't always implies libertarianism, freedom from state's control of our money, if a communist country decided to create a cryptocurrency they can make few adjustment to the system to accommodate they're own ideology. the only crypto isn't compatible with the communism is the one we are using right now.


you know the funny thing is the meaning of Crypto (which in this forum has another meaning) is some one who has a "secret allegiance to a political creed, especially communism." 

You are right in that Marx's ideology and what it later became are two different things. But it happens with every doctrine, there is a (utopic) theory and then there is an implementation in the real world. Any collective ideology requires some sort of coertion by the government, because the moment that someone wants to "opt out" and can't be convinced in a friendly way to stay he will need to be forced somehow or otherwise the whole idea collapses.

The current totalitarian government control in the US and Europe (which unfortunately is also quickly eroding personal freedom for the sake of "political correctness") has nothing to do with capitalism though, it's more about an ever-growing state apparatus that feeds on taxpayers and needs to suck out all of their blood to survive, which requires full control of all financial movements.

I am not a communist because it is a very radical approach but many of my ideas are communist ideas as well, I just have couple of democratic ideas as well so I am neither 100% communist but not 100% noncommunist, I just have ideas parallel to them. That being said I love crypto and loved it since day one of me learning about it, banks are what makes capitalist world continue and don't get me wrong in communist regimes like china and Russia there are government backed banks that are even more evil than capitalist ones so banks in every single ruling regime is horrible and the worst sector in all of humanity.

I personally believe the biggest criminal of our history is bankers, not Hitler, not Stalin, not historical evil people, bankers! That is why I always supported crypto and only cashed out when I absolutely had to.

I think it depends on why someone calls themselves a communist/socialist. Many left-leaning people aren't really in favour of government control of everything, really to many it's just an oppositional position under the umbrella of "opposed to market capitalism". I think for people who don't like the current system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, they just want something fairer in place, the actual apparatus and mechanism of this alternative being less important. If the cost is government control then so be it. So I think in this way communism/socialism and bitcoin are compatible - they are both different oppositional approaches to replace the current prevailing ideology.

it could be that they are here, this can be one of their ways to enlarge their community, crypto globally cannot be controlled by anyone, this is in line with those who have never wanted to be regulated by anyone.

It all doesn't matter. Everyone wants to make money and that's the only thing that matters lol. So no matter who they are, as long as they see the opportunity for them to make money in cryptocurrency they are going to grab that opportunity. No one says no to a free money, uhhmm…. Except maybe they are stinking rich. But one thing I do know is that even Jeff Bezos is not going to say no to a free money as long as there are no strings attached to it and as it's genuine lol. So any one can make use of cryptocurrency as long as there is the possibility for them to make use of it.

In our country the members of the communist party who are low ranks have been unknown. only the authorities knew some, they are in secret, because they would be put in jail if they are caught. Since this is international, I think there could be people who supports the communists, and if somehow they are well verse in cryptography I think they could come up with something that maybe could support their cause and align with their beliefs, they should be flexible and ready to adopt if they really want blockchain tech be inputted in their system.

Inherently, communism wouldn't have a need for money at the basic level because (notionally) everyone would be able to have whatever products they need for free. Of course, that's rarely how it works out and there is no way that communism would ever actually be established. Human nature wouldn't allow for it to ever exist the way it "should". Plus, considering the complexity of today's goods and services, it's impossible to supply what would be "needed" to everyone. We'd also have considerably less innovation. China and Russia had some of their greatest technological leaps where their markets were freest.

As for OP's question about whether there are communists on this forum, I'd say probably but they're far more uncommon than they would be in the general population. Bitcoin caters more to a capitalist ideology than a communist (or socialist) mindset.

True. But the question itself was a great surprise for me. I never thought that political views can affect such things as the choice of the form of investments, for instance. I am sure, some communists here earn on crypto.

I have limited knowledge on communism but I am sure that it is just another idea that failed to work when implemented in the field all because as humans we are dealing with the weaknesses of the human nature. Bitcoin is partly about returning the power to the hands of the people and minimize the role of the government in the financial system (though this has not fully happened yet). Right now, I don't know of any country that can claim to be under true communism as countries like China and Russia have already adopted many capitalistic ideas and concepts and are now playing and competing in the global market.

So the question is if bitcoin can be compatible with communists? Well, to me, as long as they are still using money then maybe there will be no problem unless of course if the government they are under made a strong stand against the use and trade of bitcoin probably not because they are communists but because they are afraid to lose the supposed control on their economy and the people.

It's not true that everyone likes money, the ideology of communism seeks to abolish money totally, because money is in the core of market economy, and they want to replace market economy with communism, where everything is free. People like money only because it can be exchanged for goods and services, without it it's just paper or bits on a computer, so when money become worthless, no one likes them anymore.

So, communists wouldn't refuse if you'd offer them some free Bitcoin's, because a money is a money, but their goal is to make Bitcoin useless, and to them Bitcoin is a representation of pure capitalism, because it is essentially a digital private property, so don't expect communists to be fans of Bitcoin.

You are basically saying that you are  a socialist, and your interest in bitcoin is just to make easy money, and you  don´t care about bitcoin ideology or fundamentals.

We may all have different ideologies and have different political beliefs, but the only thing that everyone agrees on and the only thing that everyone likes is money, and bitcoin gives everyone the opportunity to make some, so it does not matter whether you are a communist or a librettist, plus in our current society most of the people don't care about these kind of ideologies, for the late boomers and beyond who are the people that are shaping the future don't care about these stuff.

You are right, communism and socialism are not compatible with bitcoin. Actually, they are the opposite. Bitcoin is true liberalism, against government power... Socialists love government interfering with their lives, controlling how they can spend their money, what they can read, who can they talk too, etc...

I never understood why we have so many socialists here defending the opposite of what bitcoin is...

Bitcoin is truly libertarian.

You are only considering "state communist" ideologies like Marxism-Leninism which forcibly redistribute property. The umbrella of socialism is much broader than that. Some socialist schools of thought reject the use of money (whether gold or dollars or BTC) but it doesn't have anything to do with forced collectivization. Any anarchist position, especially market anarchism (also called "market socialism"), would be compatible with the usage of BTC as money.

actually blockchain system and decentralized ecosystem is financially can support communist system. because both of them are against the traditional financial systems. they both try to find an alternative solution for the people.

Communism is a political ideology whereas humans have always seek self governance, with these regardless of any political structure operational in any nation, man prefers to be financially secured than having a mutual collaboration, what if the system fails tomorrow? Man starts from ground zero! The original man loves control over his fiance and ould imbibe the bitcoin philosophy.

Communism is a heavily centralized paradigm. In theory a single, central, entity wields an overwhelming majority of power and influence for the "good of all". A centralized crypto currency with parallels to communism could be developed. The question is, would it better or worse in comparison to crypto built upon a decentralized format. Observations and conclusions derived from the centralization versus decentralization debate in cryptosphere could apply to discussions regarding communism as a political system.

Implications relating to intrinsic structural conditions could share parallels between the two.

In practice, we've witnessed communist societies ban science fiction and proactively strive to stunt the development of new ideas. When it comes to new ideas and breakthroughs communist nations tend to rank poorly in these areas perhaps as a result of heavy censorship and promotion of industry wide mediocrity. We've witnessed this trend under stalinist russia and in recent communist states.

Crypto being a relatively new idea and breakthrough within the grand scheme of things, it may be more likely to be embraced by demographics which are more acclimated to the flow of new ideas and innovations. A communist society like china's where ideas are repressed in the form of science fiction may not cope well with change nor the implications presented by new technologies.

But crypto is private property and you should have them under a pure communist society right? Granted I have little knowledge of economics but I don't think it would be allowed in such a society.

We can see it with just bitcoins, it's decentralized whereas communist and socialist states would have had a centralized economy. I just can't see these mixing.

In communism, according to marxism, there would be no money, and no need for money, so crypto would just be useless, just bits on a hard drive. But no one came even close to achieving communism, and most likely no one ever will. All the previous attempts were trying to go through socialism first, with insane amounts of centralization, they literally had centrally planned economy, and that's the kind of things crypto was created to fight.

But if someone tries to make a libertarian left-wing system, then Bitcoin might work, check out the articles about Bitcoin in Syria, how Kurds are bulding libertarian socialism and using Bitcoin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Federation_of_Northern_Syria