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October 11, 2013, 07:37:47 PM
#9
End of USA might be good thing for the world. That stuff is scary.

i see your point/anger, but it is not going to happen, and i also dont think it would be a good thing either.
Change and relaxation to them that are NOT criminals would be much better, as despite opinions, there are lots of good people in the US too.

The people are fair, their state isn't.

It is the same with most/all countries i find (even the countries that are more anti USA (even more so in most cases)).

The people are generally good but the governments that run them are big business and dont want to loose any powers (generally them in government are good too, but as a whole and by trying to ensure things dont change (or to help a powerful minority), makes for some bad derisions).
It is siad we have democracy, but when there are only 2 (possibly idiots) that people can vote for (who are very similar anyhow) how is that giving choice to "the people"

I think Douglas Adams summed things up very well with this quote from Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy :
"To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
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October 11, 2013, 07:24:46 PM
#8
End of USA might be good thing for the world. That stuff is scary.

i see your point/anger, but it is not going to happen, and i also dont think it would be a good thing either.
Change and relaxation to them that are NOT criminals would be much better, as despite opinions, there are lots of good people in the US too.

The people are fair, their state isn't.
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October 11, 2013, 07:16:08 PM
#7
End of USA might be good thing for the world. That stuff is scary.

i see your point/anger, but it is not going to happen, and i also dont think it would be a good thing either.
Change and relaxation to them that are NOT criminals would be much better, as despite opinions, there are lots of good people in the US too.
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October 11, 2013, 07:13:12 PM
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Thanks Guys 'n' Girls

Thanks for the info, but it "really sucks" that i am also subject to US laws as well as UK laws (whilst in the UK).

I am a law abiding citizen of the UK and do (and fully intend to) abide by all UK laws.
It however tends to make things very difficult if i also need to abide by the laws of all other countries too, especially if them laws are in contradiction of each other or near on impossible to "register for" if i am a small UK company  Huh
This is hardly free trade between our countries, and does not encourage business within the US  Cry

I feel for US citizens if they are going to be continually blocked out of cool technology, that would (rightfully so) be perfectly legal in most/all other countries .

In my situation (and where i THINK) i may come under contradiction of US and UK laws is:
I plan to offer the sale of shares (more accurately "Virtual Shares" ) in my "business" that could then be sold on by the buyer (or they can do as they please with them).
(the shares that people by from us would be bought with BitCoins only)
As far as i am aware, the only UK laws i would need to abide by are "consumer laws/Sale of goods Act" and of course the UK taxation laws.

Would this be different in the US? would i need any special licences/registrations, etc? given that i am a UK business and only selling "virtual shares"?
I wont be specifically targeting any country, but my business/website would be available to anyone in the world, and ideally without any discrimination.

Any help/info anyone can offer is greatly appreciated!

Best Regards
Ford
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October 11, 2013, 06:17:12 PM
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End of USA might be good thing for the world. That stuff is scary.
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October 11, 2013, 06:15:46 PM
#4
Yes, if you want to avoid US law you need to:
- Not serve US customers (I recommend IP blocking)
- Require identification of users to ensure that they are not from the US and using proxy/vpn/tor to access your site (if your business is content provider with no login/members you're fucked)
- Host the site from servers outside of the US
- Do not use domains such as .com or any other US domain. Go with ccTLD, I believe .co.uk will be fine.
- Do not use payment processors or any other business located in the US. That includes gmail, paypal etc
- Host javascript/css such as jQuery & jQuery UI on your own server instead of using google api.
- Stay far away from CloudFlare, Amazon, ddos protection etc from the US
- Never travel to USA (obviously).
- Don't be an American (obviously)

If you do all this, I still believe you can be tried for extradition if you're in the wrong business, but at least then you have played all your cards right and have a good defense.
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October 11, 2013, 05:57:04 PM
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Apparently you can face charges even though you are not in america.

Here is an article from BBC news that explains a little more http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/19172065

[edit] a quote form that article

"Any sovereign, whether a country, province, state or municipality, has a right to expect that a company or person doing business in that territory is subject to the laws of that territory."
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October 11, 2013, 05:53:16 PM
#2
As the title says: are UK companies/webiste subject to USA laws (or any other non US company)?

It seems more and more businesses are shutting their doors to US citizens, and surely this is not down to them just disliking US citizens for some reason. It seems to me to be owing to the US's laws on money transmitting / laundering.

However as a non US citizen i would not think these laws apply to me (as long as i abide by the laws of the country that i live in), just like my UK laws don't apply to USA citizens.

I am far from an expert on the laws of my own country (UK) so know even less about US laws.

Best Regards
Ford
If your operating a business which serves US citizens and corporations you will be subjected to US laws.
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October 11, 2013, 05:47:57 PM
#1
As the title says: are UK companies/webiste subject to USA laws (or any other non US company)?

It seems more and more businesses are shutting their doors to US citizens, and surely this is not down to them just disliking US citizens for some reason. It seems to me to be owing to the US's laws on money transmitting / laundering.

However as a non US citizen i would not think these laws apply to me (as long as i abide by the laws of the country that i live in), just like my UK laws don't apply to USA citizens.

I am far from an expert on the laws of my own country (UK) so know even less about US laws.

Best Regards
Ford
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