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Topic: Are we in a bull trap? We’re forever blowing bubbles - page 2. (Read 838 times)

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I think its more likely to be a bear trap but I only say this because I come from a parallel universe that has already invented time machines.

But in all present reality, the problem is this:

If BTC goes too much about $5k, it loses a lot of its utility as cheap way to send money. It will then simply be just another financial instrument of the rich. I know Wall Street could care less about using technology to help those less fortunate than themselves, so I see the potential for Wall Street dollars to keep flowing in like blind mice.

Point of the story: It's not a bull trap or a bear trap, its a range of $3500-$4500, approximately.

We're already past that, btc is not a cheap way to send money. Maybe if we're talking big transactions.
Fee's are somewhat ridiculous already for a usable "currency". More like store of wealth now.

You're right. It's all about relative context. 60% on a $5 transaction is too much. 0.1% on a $10,000 transaction is great.

We're not already past that because average people still use it as THE #1 CRYPTOCURRENCY. If we were past it, society would have already placed one of the several thousand altcoins in existence as #1. So, obviously, it still works.
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OP, you could be right if $4900 was really the peak. But what if we still have a long way to go and the real peak is much higher? Remember that we have not seen something like Bitcoin before. It's deflationary, resistant to government control and makes moving value across borders very very easy.

By the way, this thread belongs to the speculation subforum.

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All asset classes have formed bubbled and crashed.  Even if Bitcoin follows that pattern, it's not a knock against Cryptos, or evidence that they won't make a comeback ... it's just evidence that cryptos will follow normal market patterns.  But, about that chart, it's scalable ... If bitcoin pops to $8000 or $15000, or $50000 before the "crash", it would still fit within the basic pattern of that chart, which is why it's impossible to make any predictions based on that pattern ... we probably won't know if we are in the capitulation phase until we are well into the capituation phase.
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omg.. i have seen this picture almost all the day, i saw it first like eight hours ago and it was first posted by a newbie (obviously a troll) trying to make fud and panic selling in this forum. And now it appears on allmost all the threads on this forum, what is happening? seriously you all have been manipulated by this picture?
I can not believe this.
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This figure is popping up everywhere and seems to make sense.. Classic bubble or bullshit? Are we in a bull trap right now? Your thoughts please!

https://goo.gl/images/mbmDwk
I think this is really a big condition for us currently because here we can go toward the down and up both, here both chances are making us more puzzle whether to buy or not, And also here we have confusion that we should sell or hold the bitcoin that we have.
Well here we need to wait until a clear and cut decision came from the China government regarding bitcoin and ICOs exchange.
Here it seems that government is not looking to ban and they are thinking to do something new rules, well we have hope that we will see everything positive, not to go with negative hight of bitcoin travel.
Here to buy and also sell of bitcoin will be only a type of gambling with your money, so take decision in both directions.
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I think its more likely to be a bear trap but I only say this because I come from a parallel universe that has already invented time machines.

But in all present reality, the problem is this:

If BTC goes too much about $5k, it loses a lot of its utility as cheap way to send money. It will then simply be just another financial instrument of the rich. I know Wall Street could care less about using technology to help those less fortunate than themselves, so I see the potential for Wall Street dollars to keep flowing in like blind mice.

Point of the story: It's not a bull trap or a bear trap, its a range of $3500-$4500, approximately.

We're already past that, btc is not a cheap way to send money. Maybe if we're talking big transactions.
Fee's are somewhat ridiculous already for a usable "currency". More like store of wealth now.
member
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You got questions? We got answers. coinclarity.com
I think its more likely to be a bear trap but I only say this because I come from a parallel universe that has already invented time machines.

But in all present reality, the problem is this:

If BTC goes too much about $5k, it loses a lot of its utility as cheap way to send money. It will then simply be just another financial instrument of the rich. I know Wall Street could care less about using technology to help those less fortunate than themselves, so I see the potential for Wall Street dollars to keep flowing in like blind mice.

Point of the story: It's not a bull trap or a bear trap, its a range of $3500-$4500, approximately.
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Bitcoin :open immutable decentralized global fair
Will the bubble of global fiat issuance ever slow down or stop?

Globally recognized that there is no financial asset in existence that offers better long-term store of value than Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is deflationary, LIMITED in supply and not inflated like fiat. Bitcoin reached escape velocity 4-years ago in 2013 which means it cannot be stopped - cannot make it illegal or legal - governments/banks do not matter. Bitcoin cannot be controlled.

On the opposite end of the spectrum the global fiat bubble system broke a couple of decades ago.

Fiat around the world is forced to inflate issuance as its heavily infested, burdened and broken with:
-regulatory burden on fiat banks & system (incredibly costly)
-unemployment & other welfare costs
-inflating fiat to keep stock market rising and to keep house-prices from collapsing
-financing conflicts, bombs, and "aid"
-insurance fraud
-false claims and insurance loss-events
-stabilize regions after natural disasters
-keeping monopolies with internet access centralized and search engine crawlers centralized
-money laundering
-chargebacks
-frivolous legal costs (lawsuits bogging the system down)
-state-sponsored corruption and unofficial corruption (governments and gangs, banks and conartists)
-retirement obligations (debasement in value to keep up with payments from government or other retirement-obligations)
-fake credit (goods being transacted with credit-loss, replaced by inflation of monetary base rather than bringing perpetrators & source to justice)
-costs of auditors and budgetors and accountants to governments and businesses

Bitcoin, systemically, is free from these burdens.

Bitcoin is GLOBALLY held and sought after by people in almost every country - see global trade data by country or see this list:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/which-country-are-you-from-here-list-thirty-popular-bitcoin-countries-for-trade-1853019

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE STOP BLOWING BUBBLES OF EXTRA FIAT MONEY AROUND THE WORLD? (PLEASE NO MORE USD, EUROS, JAPANESE YENS, INDIAN RUPEES, CHINESE YUAN, MEXICAN PESOS - PLEASE STOP INFLATING AND MAKING BITCOIN SO VALUABLE)...stop this pumping

https://macromon.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/the-chart-that-floats-overvaluation/
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Nope, the information gap is still too large for us to reach the apex of user adoption. We are still in the early adopter phase, but are getting pretty damn close to the next stage. I think a major bank, government or corporation really has to start taking on Bitcoin for it to completely spread to the masses who are easily influenced by mass media.

The whole Chase, "Bitcoin is a fraud" thing certainly didn't help progress Bitcoin as I am sure a lot of older, institutional investors see more risk with Bitcoin - real or not.
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Short answer: there is no proof either way.  

However, I don't think we are in a bubble. I think people are slowly clueing in to having a small part of their investment portfolio in bitcoin instead of or in addition to gold.  Bitcoin has limited coins like gold has limited mined weight. Bitcoin is drastically easier to transport and conceal then gold is. There is $8 trillion in gold holdings. Only $70 billion in bitcoin. As people figure this out in an exponential process (like flu spreading only slower) the relative market caps will close and bitcoin will be worth 100s of times what it is today. Hodl.
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Well.. the figure is basic economics and BTC is following the line.. the different fases also seem to make sense
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This figure is popping up everywhere and seems to make sense.. Classic bubble or bullshit? Are we in a bull trap right now? Your thoughts please!

https://goo.gl/images/mbmDwk

This is the most meaningless image and analysis I've ever seen so far! I saw tons of work, research and analysis, but this one is pure trash. Never trust these websites distributing these images.
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This figure is popping up everywhere and seems to make sense.. Classic bubble or bullshit? Are we in a bull trap right now? Your thoughts please!

https://goo.gl/images/mbmDwk
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