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Topic: Are we living in a random Universe? - page 2. (Read 1723 times)

legendary
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January 21, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
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If a Universe can come into existence randomly, then the chances of us being in the first Universe are incredibly slim, in fact there would be infinite universes if they can be born randomly. Therefore, if they can come into existence randomly,life and intelligence would have evolved before in a previous Universe. That intelligence may have developed the ability to create Universes, in which case we could either be living in another random Universe, or one created by an intelligence that evolved in a previous random Universe.

I made a video talking about this: Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=novfdZ5wzV8

I can't watch your video right now, but your arguments sound similar to the idea of us being in a simulation created by a super-advanced intelligence. Or even a simulation, within a simulation within a simulation... etc.

One issue with that idea (and yours) is that technology won't necessarily keep advancing at the same speed, and there's nothing to really say for sure whether such things could be possible.

As for Universes coming into existence randomly, well there is a lot of evidence for the Big Bang, but no-one really knows why, or how it happened. It could have been random, or it could have been created by some super beings - we just don't know. Similarly, we don't know what's beyond the observable universe.

Regarding the chances of us "being in the first Universe", well we don't know those either. You say they're incredibly slim, but we don't have any other data points (other universes) to study and find the probability. We could be in the first universe, we could be in one of a number of universes, even an infinite number.

One thing we do know, is that the universe, and space itself, is expanding at an accelerated rate. So it would seem that our current universe will probably die a heat death. What happens after that, again no-one knows  Cheesy

I'll watch your video when I get a chance.

We don't have any evidence of pure randomness anywhere. The thing that we call "random" is a form of probability that we use because of the complexity of the universe. We can't hope to track any but the simplest of cause and effect processes, so we use the idea of random. But our random is not pure random.

Pure random doesn't even make sense.

There is a lot of visible cause and effect that we use daily. In fact, science shows us that cause and effect is the basic mode of operation in our whole universe - as far as we understand.

Cool

You're delving into extremely deep philosophical questions here, the answers aren't as clear as you make out. No-one really knows for sure. While on the macro level, the universe seems to be deterministic, things get stranger when we observe things on a smaller scale.
For example a couple of things that do appear totally random are:

  • Radioactive decay
  • The collapse of the wavefunction in quantum mechanics

But we have no way of knowing whether they are truly random, or whether there are hidden variables that we haven't discovered yet, making them deterministic. We have similar problems with any test for randomness - if there are unknown variables, then how can we possibly incorporate them into our randomness test?

Not to mention a truly, 100% deterministic universe has compatibility issues with "Free Will", which opens another can of worms...
member
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January 21, 2017, 07:13:23 PM
#13
The TV-series "Fringe" got a nice illustration of a parallel-universe. The universe was a copy of the first one, but due some different decisions the second universe was a bit different (some other buildings, different technical progress, etc.).

It's a nice thought and I can really recommend the series Smiley
legendary
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December 02, 2016, 11:01:41 AM
#12
We don't have any evidence of pure randomness anywhere. The thing that we call "random" is a form of probability that we use because of the complexity of the universe. We can't hope to track any but the simplest of cause and effect processes, so we use the idea of random. But our random is not pure random.

Pure random doesn't even make sense.

There is a lot of visible cause and effect that we use daily. In fact, science shows us that cause and effect is the basic mode of operation in our whole universe - as far as we understand.

Cool
legendary
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December 02, 2016, 10:43:18 AM
#11
This universe we live in is one of so many...
member
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December 02, 2016, 04:42:04 AM
#10
I think we are living in a random universe where Bitcoin trading is only possible here.

Does it make my Bitcoins more valuable? Wink
member
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December 02, 2016, 03:21:29 AM
#9
dunno

I don't even know other universes

how can I compare and know if this or the other are determined or random?
newbie
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December 01, 2016, 06:13:46 PM
#8
I think it can be true.  There are two theories of a universe such as parallel universes and the possibility of an alternate dimension that we are incapable of viewing. These universes exist in correlation (or side by side) with our own universe but are unable to be detected as they remain in a realm outside our 4 dimensional one, space-time being the 4th dimension. I've read it here. I believe that there are more than 4 dimensions in the universe, so it can be more universes than our one. And probably someday we would be able to travel beyond our universe.
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Zettel-Dolphin
November 30, 2016, 09:59:31 AM
#7
I think the universe is weirder than we can ever hope to understand.

-sf-
sr. member
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November 30, 2016, 09:54:47 AM
#6
It is still a theory. I think our planet is like one of the sand in a beach. Time will tell what that theories can reveal someday. But for now, that theories can't help us but think deeply and explore more. Hope someday advancement in our technologies can help us prove that theories.
member
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November 30, 2016, 02:08:31 AM
#5
I suppose so. We're just monkeys roaming the earth with no purpose, right? Or is that what they want us to believe?
full member
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November 29, 2016, 02:16:04 PM
#4
no..He gave us free will Wink
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November 22, 2016, 11:27:06 PM
#3
Well its likely that its just a theory till now .until and unless its. Proved u cant just say it that we are living in the parallel universe..kudoos Smiley
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legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
November 22, 2016, 10:08:14 PM
#2
I think it's much more likely we are living in a computer simulation.

http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
hero member
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November 22, 2016, 10:02:18 PM
#1
If a Universe can come into existence randomly, then the chances of us being in the first Universe are incredibly slim, in fact there would be infinite universes if they can be born randomly. Therefore, if they can come into existence randomly,life and intelligence would have evolved before in a previous Universe. That intelligence may have developed the ability to create Universes, in which case we could either be living in another random Universe, or one created by an intelligence that evolved in a previous random Universe.

I made a video talking about this: Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=novfdZ5wzV8
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