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Topic: ✨✨✨ Are we wasting resources to make digital currencies? ✨✨✨ - page 4. (Read 910 times)

full member
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...we are using up a ton of resources like electricity and producing nothing tangible in return.

A Central Bankless currency is a very tangible thing.  To decentralize money is to decentralize power.  This is the end goal of Bitcoin.  Does that sound incredible to you?  I have my doubts that this end will be reached but the pursuit of this goal is well worth the resources.  I will say that proof of stake is superior than proof of work.  It would add stability to the network and reduce energy consumption.
newbie
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Mining used to be a fairly inexpensive. But it is now so intense that it requires dedicated buildings full of specialist bitcoin-mining chips running 24/7. And as the number of bitcoins in circulation grows towards the artificially imposed ceiling of 21 million, mining each new one takes yet more computation. This burgeoning industry is hugely wasteful
hero member
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It appears that mining costs and the creation of crypto currencies consumes a lot of resources Cry

Here we go again. How many times do you guys need to keep spreading this totally false information ? Are you paid to FUD crypto or something  Roll Eyes

I can right of the bat say no we're not wasting resources to make digital currencies. To make a system that's to be used by the entire globe, some energy has to be spent. This is not called wasting. This is making use of energy. And please don't pull up some useless and totally inaccurate info that come up on the news with absolutely zero sources other than Mr X who wrote it on his way to the studio.

Before attacking the amount of resources used by crypto, why don't you tell me how much is used by the traditional banking system as a whole ? There is no way mining costs come near that amount. In fact, other than paying humans and using human resources to make transactions crypto removes that whole expenditure.

If you dig a little deeper, you'll find that most of the mining farms that need and consume a large amount of electricity are setup in places where there are natural resources of energy that are unused. That's actually the case in a lot of places in China and the private electricity companies (being companies that also want to make money) actually encourage these setups. Please point out the wasted resources.
full member
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you only see mining and creating crypto currencies causes problem but you don't see that it is a great help to many people.
hero member
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Electricity consumption with bitcoin is termed to be the waste of resource. This is true, because than many other needs the electricity consumed by cryptocurrency is big. At the same time this is to change the entire system as well the efficiency is high than most other technologies available so no need of thinking about the wasting of resources.
newbie
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Are there any environmental friendly cryptos? Bitcoin is destroying so many resources

Long time ago there was Primecoin which used some algorithm to find prime numbers. Why are they so important is simply explaind here:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/439870/why-are-primes-important-in-cryptography

It looks like that the idea to both secure currency and do something more usefull while mining has not developed. I mined some of them at the very begininng of the project, but it did not make me millionaire - Primecoin is now nearly dead  Wink
jr. member
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I have made enough money to retire myself before my 25 years old

Maybe you can spend some of that money on an education now Smiley




The lady that calls Bitcoin a "Ponzi" is telling someone to buy an education. The irony.

Now to the educated definition of words......

A Ponzi scheme (/ˈpɒn.zi/; also a Ponzi game)[1] is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator generates returns for older investors through revenue paid by new investors, rather than from legitimate business activities or profit of financial trading. Operators of Ponzi schemes can be either individuals or corporations, and grab the attention of new investors by offering short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent.

Who is the "operator" of Bitcoin?

Who offered you short term returns?

Never type "educated" again. Matter of fact define "educated" in your own words. Watch the crickets everyone.
legendary
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Have you compared it to gold mining? Mining and recycling gold consumes far more energy. It's important to keep this in perspective as environmentalists begin complaining about Bitcoin's energy consumption. Here's a recent comparison:

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But in his paper, Vranken counters that in the 100MW to 500MW range, bitcoin mining requires between 0.8KWh to 4.4KWh per year, but the energy required for mining and recycling gold – which backs US currency – is 138KWh a year, while printing paper notes and minting coins is 11KWh. He pins the banking system, including not only its data centres but also its branches and ATMs, at 650KWh.

In the same article, one researcher -- Marc Bevand -- claims that Bitcoin mining uses ~ 4TWh annually, which is considerably less energy than is used by Christmas lights in the US during the holiday season. Granted, as difficulty grows and proof-of-work becomes increasingly difficult in the context of decreasing block subsidy, the network's energy consumption can be expected to increase.

But my point is this: When we consider how much energy is consumed by Bitcoin, you have to consider the alternatives (like gold), which have significant energy costs themselves.

Good information(bolded^). That's what I was expecting to see in a valid breakdown.

According to polls, only 2% of americans have used bitcoin or a crypto currency. Bitcoin's userbase being extremely small across a global scale, it isn't likely to consume as much power as critics claim.

It could help to know some bitcoin mining installations in china are powered by hydroelectric power rather than coal. Earlier this year russia proposed construction of bitcoin miners powered by nuclear energy.

The media claims all bitcoin mining is powered by coal and other extremely polluting hydrocarbon based energy sources but this is not true.
full member
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As long as it's useful I think there's no problem, bitcoin does make a lot of waste of resources. But back again, what bitcoin give to us.
Rather than wasting resources only for something that is not useful, It would be better if used for this kind of thing.
hero member
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It appears that mining costs and the creation of crypto currencies consumes a lot of resources Cry

We have very little resources remaining in the world for each other and future generations. Does it make sense to waste resources like this? Could we do this in a cheaper and more economically friendly manner? And does the value of bitcoin directly correlate to the amount of resources and man hours that are destroyed in order to create it?

No we are not it is actually logical that with our trend towards innovation and technology that we go all in towards having a digitized currency. In the future when we have a whole lot of technology abound then bitcoin and cryptocurrency is the way to go
newbie
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It can promote efficient transactions

Right now its 15 hours of wait time and fees as high as $35+

I would say bitcoin is not an efficient way to do transactions at the current time.
member
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I don't think so. Bitcoin actually looks like a lot of electricity. It needs to know that these electric power are idle in many countries. People will not set up mines in the downtown area. In addition, bitcoin is of real value. It can promote efficient transactions and allow people all over the world to deal immediately at the same time.
newbie
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Are there any environmental friendly cryptos? Bitcoin is destroying so many resources
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I think one reason we waste here is the power supply of the computer, cost of electricty, We need to save resources and energy. in the future we will see a quantum resistance, is just like internet of things so we can't affect the electric usage supply.
newbie
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Keep in mind I am all about saving resources and energy.

I 100% agree that fiat money wastes resources too. But you all are REALLY missing the point

We had no choice but to waste resources on fiat money. It has to be minted, protected, maintained, changed out etc. Not to mention security and that stuff. We do have a choice when we move to a digital currency to waste as close to 0 resources as possible. Instead we are doing the exact opposite. The very nature of bitcoin requires us to WASTE more and MORE resources as it is made. We are exponentially wasting more resources on this. And its really sad.

This is in addition to resources we are already wasting on fiat!! I am upset about that too.

But now we are wasting resources on BOTH!

Do you guys not get it?  Cry
legendary
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STOP SNITCHIN'
It appears that mining costs and the creation of crypto currencies consumes a lot of resources Cry

Have you compared it to gold mining? Mining and recycling gold consumes far more energy. It's important to keep this in perspective as environmentalists begin complaining about Bitcoin's energy consumption. Here's a recent comparison:

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But in his paper, Vranken counters that in the 100MW to 500MW range, bitcoin mining requires between 0.8KWh to 4.4KWh per year, but the energy required for mining and recycling gold – which backs US currency – is 138KWh a year, while printing paper notes and minting coins is 11KWh. He pins the banking system, including not only its data centres but also its branches and ATMs, at 650KWh.

In the same article, one researcher -- Marc Bevand -- claims that Bitcoin mining uses ~ 4TWh annually, which is considerably less energy than is used by Christmas lights in the US during the holiday season. Granted, as difficulty grows and proof-of-work becomes increasingly difficult in the context of decreasing block subsidy, the network's energy consumption can be expected to increase.

But my point is this: When we consider how much energy is consumed by Bitcoin, you have to consider the alternatives (like gold), which have significant energy costs themselves.
member
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It appears that mining costs and the creation of crypto currencies consumes a lot of resources Cry

We have very little resources remaining in the world for each other and future generations. Does it make sense to waste resources like this? Could we do this in a cheaper and more economically friendly manner? And does the value of bitcoin directly correlate to the amount of resources and man hours that are destroyed in order to create it?

It is true we need to prepare resources for our new generation in future because we have limited resources.
In other side, we try to make this digital currency also for future. I think create digital currency is same important with the resources itself.
newbie
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Everyone is so caught up on the fact that fiat money is wasting a lot of resources too!

Well no shit!

Just because our current banking system is very wasteful doesn't mean we should continue down that path!

We still need to use fiat money to purchase bitcoin. Bitcoin is causing destruction of resources through mining and through the fact that fiat money is still required to purchase bitcoin. Digital currencies should have the benefit of not wasting resources. Can you imagine how much electricity we will waste to produce a single bitcoin in the year 2100?

The waste is just really pathetic and shows humanity's disregard for the planet in general. We are all destroying this world together
full member
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Make a difference, make it better.
It´s a discussion with lack of knowledge and short sight viewpoint, yes we spend, not waste a lot of energy to generate value, but the reason why we don´t have more than abundant energy to use both to mine wealth and to use in our daily lives is due to lack of investments and greed. We have plenty of solar energy, not farmed enough and also wind energy that can be reaped by and large. So, it´s not like we don´t have energy unless you killing the sun or stopping the winds tomorrow. Stop bitching about "energy wasting" and start promoting cheap energy.
hero member
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So that means you are thinking that for making fiat currencies we are not wasting our natural resources. Right? You are wrong. To make paper and ink for fiat currencies definitely we are using natural resources. If you start thinking in that way then you wont be able to use anything that is available in market. But nowadays many people are mining cryptocurrencies using renewable energy sources to get profit . I think  in the coming years everybody will shift to that to avoid hugh electricity bills.
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