Topic: Are you a Communist, Socialist, Capitalist, Marxist? - page 2. (Read 3119 times)

Something in-between if you know what I mean

Free market libertarian
The word "Capitalist" has been intentionally tainted and no longer has a useful meaning out in the "real" world.

for me it's simple. 1 robin hood and 2 the sheriff, you can chose. the sheriff and his family will die in suffering worst than you wished to your worst enemy (and it's just a beginning).

then stealing is bad, so create, they will come to steal, welcome, enjoy the hunt.

Or everyone tries to find on earth the person that loves him back the most, reciprocally, big game, and once found who cares...

or enjoy war. be ready to eat raw.

dual.

bad, who cares you don't decide, human and exo life... core common life. ahhaa. not beyond death? newbies.

THIS. It is like communism, I think it is a great system but on a large scale it will not work wel due to the nature of humans. Not yet atleast.

All of these systems have merits. The one weak point in every one is those pesky humans who fuck it up every single time. I have chosen to become an ant and am looking forward to a much more mindless and peaceful future.

No you're not. These two positions are antithetical to one another. Read a goddamn book, and stop slandering the good name of anarchism.

toward anarchist, but not completely, a good portion of freedom but with the maintain of the equilibrium

You guys might need a new Evren pasa like back in '80...

one with out the other is impossible, they are cumulative, leads to love, remove, temper, exploit or both and get w.a.r. I hope you are ready to eat r.a.w.

I'm a bitcoiner person , it is a new "experiment" and I'm sure it will above all the other currents like socialism, capitalist, marxist, etc..
Bitcoin is a new possibility for "catch" our economy freedom and why not also social freedom.

Never let yourself be framed by those people. Learn their theory, the behavior they imply, exploit, profit. rinse and repeat (theory will not change, too many are too invested in it, university tenure, manuals income, respect, fame etc etc).

edit: please note how polite I was.

Erdogan?
He's islamist, and I don't like him. He's not even Turkish (He said that his etnicite is Georgian in his Georgia visit, also his wife's etnicite is arab).
Yet, he was elected via "islamist" votes.

That's why you don't try and force people to live in a global community and do it through local means and yes, if you're in a truly consensual based society that's how you get shit done, you don't just point a gun at people and force people to do things because you think you know best like in modern democracies.

That's not what Anarchism is, way to fear monger, Anarchism is simply society without a hierarchy, without gods or government, it's the exact opposite of using rule and force, if somebody uses force to get what they want in society, then they are not an Anarchist, real Anarchists solve things through debate and voluntary co-operation.

that Turkey discussion is OT now, no? Maybe a mod can move those to a new thread.

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Communism, Socialism, Capitalism are so overloaded terms by now, they have lost their meaning.

Any strict ideology has problems and carries within it the seed of its opposite and its own destruction (I used to elaborate about that many times on here).

Free-market libertarianism should better be called proprietarianism as it is about the philosophy of individual property rights. The problem with it is that especially US-Americans are not very well-schooled in European history. America is a very young and big continent, so the "liberty" folks there may not yet recognize the issues with it, that it doesn't scale well over time.

Once a continent is crowded like Europe was already in ancient times, you'll end up with land owners (i.e. aristocracy) and those who have nothing, who don't have anything and can only sell their labor, themselves, effectively slaves. Maybe then you can understand that the original anarchistic movements in Europe did not associate ownership and capitalism with freedom, and it was a movement against strict property rights and capitalism.

The first factory owners weren't heroes like out of Ayn Rand novels either, they came to their assets because they were in bed with aristocrats and politicians.

So what is the best solution? I don't know. Maybe a truly free world that would fit a definition of anarchism that everyone could agree on would have to integrate ideas of both anarcho-communist and market-libertarian thinking. There'd have to be some balance and equality without the latter perceiving it as theft. I guess something like Mondragon's co-operative syndicalism would be a good model for a modern society.

Oh good so you're not all bad then, I thought you were one of those psychopaths like your leader.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-will-help-iraq-retake-mosul-prime-minister-davutoglu-vows.aspx?pageID=238&nID=79199&NewsCatID=510

Turkey will give military education and fire arms to Turkmens in Mosul to fight ISIS. Don't worry, We don't take Mosul back to ours , We recognize integrity of Iraq.

The world doesn't revolve around the USA or Turkey, so we don't worry. However, we do worry about our own future because your country may become a regional PITA if your authorities won't be able to defend themselves. Giving that you're unable to find a compromise even with your own kurdish problem, I'd say that there is a high some risk of such scenario.

Actually, the "nationalists" are playing the U.S.-style game continuously... Acting exactly like they are, but at the smaller scale. Like Obomber or Kerry, preferring bombs to the treaties while it's possible. Odumba, Poroshenko, Saakashvili, remember about the treaties only when it's the only alternative to capitulation. I happy to see that pseudo nationalist puppets have only a little chance to get the real power.

Sadly my country is the UK and we have easily the most incompetent politicians in charge imaginable, I would support weapons and funds to the kurds though which we've already done, it was only 40 machine guns though lol.

Turkey has enough power to protect itself from ISIS. Don't worry about us.
If you really care about "entire civilisations including any remnants of their culture" your country should send troops to give Syria and Iraq "democracy".