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November 29, 2020, 05:47:50 AM
they can move in cryptocurrency based gambling site, from here government has nothing to do to increase the taxes due to the fact that government has no control in crypto. Which in fact many gambling sites today were now i guess can already figured out the importance of using cryptocurrency as a base payments or payouts to their player. Can't resist the fact that due to pandemic, economic growth goes down and no other source of resource fund but the taxes that's why they taking the advantage of adding taxes.
I think they increased tax because one who can afford gambling even after covid-19 has excessive money and government would love to take some Grin.

Crypto gambling like you mentioned is so easy to avoid taxes and there are guys winning 1-2 BTC daily but no one asks them who they are and if they are paying taxes because the casinos don't care as long as they are losing and winning and not cheating in any ways.

There is no way the government can impose taxes on crypto gambling because neither they can control the house nor the players because everything happens anonymously.
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November 29, 2020, 05:13:52 AM
https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10471/argentina-raises-online-gambling-tax-to-5

Apparently Argentina just raised their gambling tax to 5%.
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The Argentine Chamber of Deputies has passed a law that will increase the online gambling tax rate from 2% to 5% in 2021. The new law was added to the National budget proposed by Economy Minister Martín Guzmán. The tax will apply to any online betting transaction. There’s also a 10% rise for the companies that operate in low-taxation countries.

Apparently the industry was unregulated for a long time and the government now decided to go for it since they will aid in the future stability and improvement in the financial situation.

The industry according to them apparently is able to get 2.4 billion dollars worth of revenue and which is inclined to help the country , 95% of the tax is going to go to the province.

What are your thoughts on this ??

Is this good/bad , how would we be able to cope up with the governmental bodies increasing the gambling tax thus shutting down the small business causing problems for the long run.

- it was a little sudden to increase it to almost double. The government never even helped the industry for the sake of the argument.
Rules are Rules and Government can do whatever they thing that will Help the country,Sometimes there are sacrificial but this is for the sake of Majority.
I believe that Argentina Government is Desperate in Finding Funds for the Fight against corona so this taxation comes to progress.
But if we will Look in Brighter side?
We gamblers are also contributing on this by Playing and adding revenue to the gambling site and to the government also.

The government wouldn't implement the rules and regulations if they didn't conduct any research or study with it and for sure they wouldn't implement an specific laws if they know that it will harmly affect their residents. I guess adding the tax to the gambling businesses or gambling play wasn't that bad enough if they have already a good project implementation of where they would going to use the tax collected.
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November 29, 2020, 04:30:29 AM
Most countries, not only Argentina, are raising their taxes that every country worldwide is also raising their taxes to dampen economic growth and inflation pressure. It is why the government in Argentina has started to raise gambling taxes because they could collect nearly billions of dollars in revenue in gambling instead of accumulating taxes on goods and other important products.
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November 29, 2020, 04:15:53 AM
Policymakers simply never take into account enforceability when they put in place these laws.

Any jurisdiction can start taxing 5% on all gambling transactions. The reason that they don't do this is not that they are content with forgoing revenue, but rather the simple fact that they know it's not feasible to collect revenue.

Especially with a ton of unregulated online casinos around that have a great reputation, this can be easily circumvented. Consumers when presented with a choice of casinos with identical odds/house edge, but one with a 5% tax on it because it is regulated, will invariably go to the unregulated establishment.

Argentina needs to think long and hard about this, but I doubt these bureaucrats will come to their senses any time soon.

And high likely that  a large part of their collection will go to their corrupt officials. We know, the corruption is also rampant in their government so it will not be a surprise if large portion will go to the pockets of these officials. It is ok to raise gambling tax as long as it is used appropriately but here, I doubt they will be honest about their collection.
legendary
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November 29, 2020, 03:20:10 AM
The Argentine authorities are trying to reduce the economic decline caused by quarantine due to the difficult situation with COVID. But instead of doing so at the expense of the state, they are doing so at the expense of their citizens, increasing the cost of gasoline, cigarettes and other important products. I am not at all surprised by the increase in the tax on gembling.
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November 29, 2020, 02:08:15 AM
Policymakers simply never take into account enforceability when they put in place these laws.

Any jurisdiction can start taxing 5% on all gambling transactions. The reason that they don't do this is not that they are content with forgoing revenue, but rather the simple fact that they know it's not feasible to collect revenue.

Especially with a ton of unregulated online casinos around that have a great reputation, this can be easily circumvented. Consumers when presented with a choice of casinos with identical odds/house edge, but one with a 5% tax on it because it is regulated, will invariably go to the unregulated establishment.

Argentina needs to think long and hard about this, but I doubt these bureaucrats will come to their senses any time soon.
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November 29, 2020, 01:27:44 AM
https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10471/argentina-raises-online-gambling-tax-to-5

Apparently Argentina just raised their gambling tax to 5%.
Quote
The Argentine Chamber of Deputies has passed a law that will increase the online gambling tax rate from 2% to 5% in 2021. The new law was added to the National budget proposed by Economy Minister Martín Guzmán. The tax will apply to any online betting transaction. There’s also a 10% rise for the companies that operate in low-taxation countries.

Apparently the industry was unregulated for a long time and the government now decided to go for it since they will aid in the future stability and improvement in the financial situation.

The industry according to them apparently is able to get 2.4 billion dollars worth of revenue and which is inclined to help the country , 95% of the tax is going to go to the province.

What are your thoughts on this ??

Is this good/bad , how would we be able to cope up with the governmental bodies increasing the gambling tax thus shutting down the small business causing problems for the long run.

- it was a little sudden to increase it to almost double. The government never even helped the industry for the sake of the argument.
Rules are Rules and Government can do whatever they thing that will Help the country,Sometimes there are sacrificial but this is for the sake of Majority.
I believe that Argentina Government is Desperate in Finding Funds for the Fight against corona so this taxation comes to progress.
But if we will Look in Brighter side?
We gamblers are also contributing on this by Playing and adding revenue to the gambling site and to the government also.
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November 29, 2020, 01:03:51 AM
I do not think this will be a problem for physical casino owners, but how correct is it to make such a decision during a pandemic? Of course, physical casinos will continue to make more money than we think, as people who love gambling do not completely take it out of their lives.

The casino owners will continue to make money but now they will have to pay more taxes. This means that it will cut down their profits by some margin.
Although it may not hurt them much, but still if they make a lot of money through gambling, they will have to pay taxes in those proportions also.
Maybe that is right, but I am sure that the casino will still be profitable, even if they still need to pay additional taxes. But in this pandemic, the government shouldn't apply more taxes for the casino because it still suffers from the pandemic. Maybe the government will create a regulation about taxes, which will not make the casino feel hard to follow the regulations regarding this situation. I am sure that there will be a win-win solution between the government and the casino, so both sides, the government can still get the taxes, and the casino can still profit. I think the government will not focus on the taxes as a crucial matter that needs to be done because they still think about the virus and how they can get the vaccine as soon as possible.
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November 29, 2020, 12:17:21 AM
I do not think this will be a problem for physical casino owners, but how correct is it to make such a decision during a pandemic? Of course, physical casinos will continue to make more money than we think, as people who love gambling do not completely take it out of their lives.

The casino owners will continue to make money but now they will have to pay more taxes. This means that it will cut down their profits by some margin.
Although it may not hurt them much, but still if they make a lot of money through gambling, they will have to pay taxes in those proportions also.
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November 29, 2020, 12:04:32 AM
for big companies that offers betting services i don't think there would be a problem but just like what you have said small business operators maybe in trouble. also i think it's good way to have extra fund to allocate to the province in order to help them to improve or grow i'm not really sure what could be the real cons and pros of this implementation.

Yeah! that's true those big companies already spent millions on their platform and the raise in tax doesn't really matter to them. in fact, it would make them happy because those small gambling businesses will soon close and they will have fewer competitors in the long run. Of course, the government will benefit to this new law and with their current economic situation, these changes really help a lot.
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November 28, 2020, 07:53:47 PM
  Its smarter to tax then to ban and 5% still seems reasonable so long as it works both ways and the government provides benefits to operators in some way.   Gambling along with a few other industries are valuable in being outside the normal business cycle.   Argentina from what Ive heard has problems with currency stability which makes the BTC betting highly valid as it hedges the currency failure also so its also making it harder to tax revenue I suppose as the business is then more global.   Im not a fan of various restrictive practices on business as they must always stay competitive worldwide to gain trade and just locking people into the local economy is contrary to that.
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November 28, 2020, 07:31:52 PM
But I bet casinos won’t be much affected by these changes, Casinos are income generating businesses no matter what rates of taxes are implemented by the government they can still meet those type of obligations without disrupting their operation. Casinos play vital role in some developing countries I think government won’t be harsh to them most especially to those regulated one’s.
Of course, actually it's easy for casinos to understate their income because some gamblers paid in cash and since the casino has their own system, they can just easily manipulate that to minimize the tax they are paying, with this increase of taxes, it will not affect them so it's not a big issue. It's not an implementation that will make casino business stop, they will never stop as they are constantly making money.
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November 28, 2020, 03:00:35 PM
for what I have seen in my country (Italy) raising taxation for gambling isn't a good solution since it will force people to play with low jackpot/odds within a monopole!
I think that in the long run with more of these regulation arising in the world, more players will prefer to use a cryptocurrencies gambling website and not a classic FIAT (or official one).
And even after you get all of that it would have been for nothing if you do not have control of your emotions and just when you need it the most you do not apply those techniques whether because you are afraid or because you are too greedy, this is one of the many reasons why trading is so hard for people to understand and to profit from, they know what they need to do but when the times comes they decide to not do it even if their system tells them that is the right move and as long as people keep that mentality they will never become successful traders.
legendary
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November 28, 2020, 02:14:56 PM
All nations should have a very very high rate for gambling taxes, as much as 90% tax rate on the gains you take out of the business. That is the part I hate, if a company gives a salary, if they give shares, if they just basically take money out of the company for any reason, there should be a high tax rate for it after a certain amount for the company as well.

Normally it seems like when you pay a salary of 250k to worker, but the worker gets only 150k of it, company says we paid and only the worker loses. However if you make it like worker gets whatever offered and the tax is paid by the company, the world would have been a much better place.

Worker should not be even offered the amount with tax on it, whatever you tell worker gets will be what they see in their account, the company should pay all the taxes, and higher the salary the crazier it will get, with 1+ million salaries should be 90% for taxes.
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November 28, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
But I bet casinos won’t be much affected by these changes, Casinos are income generating businesses no matter what rates of taxes are implemented by the government they can still meet those type of obligations without disrupting their operation. Casinos play vital role in some developing countries I think government won’t be harsh to them most especially to those regulated one’s.
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November 28, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
Online gambler recover from pandemic how? The last time i checked physical gamblers and online gamblers spent more time gambling online and the pandemic doesn't by any chance stop them from playing every single day though i understand the tax will somehow affect some online player the country in the subject badly need some fund to save the country economy and the increased in tax fee will only hurt the gamblers but won't stop their interest in an online game of chance.
If anyone is affected by this tax then they can always move to cryptocurrency based gambling sites, it is a fact that the government increased the tax because of the economic slowdown due to the pandemic but as a player you can be smart to overcome these extra money you need to shell out and there is nothing that the government can do about it.

Yes they can move in cryptocurrency based gambling site, from here government has nothing to do to increase the taxes due to the fact that government has no control in crypto. Which in fact many gambling sites today were now i guess can already figured out the importance of using cryptocurrency as a base payments or payouts to their player. Can't resist the fact that due to pandemic, economic growth goes down and no other source of resource fund but the taxes that's why they taking the advantage of adding taxes.
Yes, the government have no control over cryptocurrency due to its decentralization but they can completely control both online and offline gambling sites that operate within there region with the inclusion crypto integration gambling site except the crypto that is done through privacy coins. However, operating against the rules and regulations of the country will only lead to disasters and there's nothing bad in the wealthy citizens with good earning business helping the country through their tax payment.

Online gambler recover from pandemic how? The last time i checked physical gamblers and online gamblers spent more time gambling online and the pandemic doesn't by any chance stop them from playing every single day though i understand the tax will somehow affect some online player the country in the subject badly need some fund to save the country economy and the increased in tax fee will only hurt the gamblers but won't stop their interest in an online game of chance.
If anyone is affected by this tax then they can always move to cryptocurrency based gambling sites, it is a fact that the government increased the tax because of the economic slowdown due to the pandemic but as a player you can be smart to overcome these extra money you need to shell out and there is nothing that the government can do about it.

Yes they can move in cryptocurrency based gambling site, from here government has nothing to do to increase the taxes due to the fact that government has no control in crypto. Which in fact many gambling sites today were now i guess can already figured out the importance of using cryptocurrency as a base payments or payouts to their player. Can't resist the fact that due to pandemic, economic growth goes down and no other source of resource fund but the taxes that's why they taking the advantage of adding taxes.

Do they evaluate this kind of tax implementation through adding taxes was based on a standard business taxable income? If not I guess that's not fair to a gambling institution, since they're also into competition with other business who's running gambling. Though gambling using cryptocurrency currency was in demand by most online players, they shouldn't take advantage of that specially during a situation of a pandemic.
First of all, the pandemic situation didn't affect the online cryptocurrency gambling site and the last time i vhecked it only boost the business and with a country like Argentina where 98% of their people are sports enthusiasts competition within the gambling company won't affect every gambling site. However, the tax was increased from 2% to 5% because the country needs fund and the gambling industry was not regulated before and some gambling used it to their advantage.
Meanwhile, the man in charge of the tax increase stated the fund will be used to help the country especially the province where the gambling site operated in other to create more jobs and opportunities.
legendary
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November 28, 2020, 12:52:52 PM
I do not think this will be a problem for physical casino owners, but how correct is it to make such a decision during a pandemic? Of course, physical casinos will continue to make more money than we think, as people who love gambling do not completely take it out of their lives.
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November 28, 2020, 12:24:05 PM
It is true that the government never help gambling industrym however, by accepting it, at least they are not as strict and obsolete like other countries. Gambling is indeed bad to many people and places because people are addicted to it. But as long as you continue to prohibit it, it only causes trouble.

In my opinion, raising tax is a good move since it will help Argentina to develop a lot. Government uses tax to improve living standard and build living property. This is useful for their citizens
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November 28, 2020, 12:19:22 PM
https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10471/argentina-raises-online-gambling-tax-to-5

Apparently Argentina just raised their gambling tax to 5%.
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The Argentine Chamber of Deputies has passed a law that will increase the online gambling tax rate from 2% to 5% in 2021. The new law was added to the National budget proposed by Economy Minister Martín Guzmán. The tax will apply to any online betting transaction. There’s also a 10% rise for the companies that operate in low-taxation countries.

Apparently the industry was unregulated for a long time and the government now decided to go for it since they will aid in the future stability and improvement in the financial situation.

The industry according to them apparently is able to get 2.4 billion dollars worth of revenue and which is inclined to help the country , 95% of the tax is going to go to the province.

What are your thoughts on this ??

Is this good/bad , how would we be able to cope up with the governmental bodies increasing the gambling tax thus shutting down the small business causing problems for the long run.

- it was a little sudden to increase it to almost double. The government never even helped the industry for the sake of the argument.

Most probably taxes are increased because of the pandemic and government need more funds to run the economy. Most of the governments are providing free treatments for covid19 and therefore they need to increase the tax in various other fields such as gambling industry. I think people should comply to their laws and accept these changes in the tax.
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November 28, 2020, 11:54:43 AM
Paying taxes also gives you a lot of positive things. Imagine there is a dispute between the gambler and the casino. They can't call the police or involve lawyers since the business is illegal. Things become very shady when you operate illegally since someone else has to offer protection if not the police and government. This third party will likely demand a compensation as well.

This is a good example to this. Being honest to tax payment is better because you can make formal complain if things go wrong and you can get help as you are entitled to it but if you don't do the legal obligation of paying tax, you can't be assisted .
This is why making a move to raise gambling tax could also give a big help both the company and the player rather than making it illegal. When a person afford to gamble during this pandemic it means he's willing to pay and understood the situation. And can afford in terms of financial status, just like in our country the government impose a high percent of tax though it helps to earn revenue of the government.
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