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Topic: Arthur Hayes Believes ETFs Might Cause the Demise of Bitcoin - page 2. (Read 302 times)

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Arthur Hayes made a valid point considering the fact that spot ETF would be based on derivatives with transactions that aren't recorded on chain. I didn't look at it from this perspective but it's a valid point. The reason i don't think it would matter so much is because this would only become a  matter for concern a century from now when the Bitcoin block rewards cease to exist and miners have to settle for transaction fees to make ends meet let alone, make anything close to what they earn when block rewards still exist.

I agree that this is really a valid point and since I believe that ETF approval is already coming it would be interesting to see how things will play out in the years to come. I am also wondering if by the time when mining rewards will end if there would be a big scarce of miners to participate in the network...anyway all of these things can still be classified as speculations but I am hoping that ETF will be a good thing for BTC and not the other way around.
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Arthur Hayes has a valid point. However, there's no way that the spot ETF will lead to the demise of Bitcoin although most of the BTC ETF spot services filed by Fidelity, BlackRock, and others spot ETF service will treat BTC like a fungible token and will also make the institutional banks the major players but this will cause the demise of BTC. I just hope 95% of people in the crypto community won't sell their BTC to them.
I believe Arthur made the demise statement because the CEX will be hugely affected
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I think that is a pretty silly take on ETFs.

First of all the vast majority of bitcoin will not be held in ETFs.

And I think it is pretty clear that not enough bitcoin transactions occurring on-chain is not a future worth worrying about. In fact, we have the opposite problem. People already complain about block space being too limited today (just look at any one of the hundreds of complaining threads started this year on tx fees) while Bitcoin adoption is still very early. When Bitcoin adoption is 10x or 20x what it is today, and bitcoin actual usage is 100x or 1000x what it is today, a million or even a few million bitcoin held in ETFs doesn't change anything to alleviate the block space crunch, and its laughable to say it would actually reverse the problem creating the opposite problem.

Most transactions in the future will be done off-chain / on L2s, not because people will just be using bitcoin as a TradFi investment vehicle through ETFs (though obviously there will eventually be trillions of dollars of bitcoin held in ETFs), but because people will be forced off-chain due to transaction costs, which is precisely how Bitcoin was designed.


Hayes is literally worried about the opposite of reality haha, doesn't make any sense.
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We will never know until we see it. But on this community, everyone can speculate what they think about as long as there's some valid points being said just as what Arthur has said.

I think that this is all about people will be having lots of choice to touch the market without actually touching it, like the logic is that and he's into this business for so long.

@OP, you can copy this link and code as it looks troublesome with that link you posted: Spot Bitcoin ETFs could ‘completely destroy’ Bitcoin: Arthur Hayes
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Arthur Hayes made a valid point considering the fact that spot ETF would be based on derivatives with transactions that aren't recorded on chain. I didn't look at it from this perspective but it's a valid point. The reason i don't think it would matter so much is because this would only become a  matter for concern a century from now when the Bitcoin block rewards cease to exist and miners have to settle for transaction fees to make ends meet let alone, make anything close to what they earn when block rewards still exist.
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Merry Xmas you all I came across a news today that pick my interest, it was about author Hayes view on Bitcoin ETFs approval which I found as a breath of fresh air of someone thinking about the negative impact ETF might have on Bitcoin. IMO I think that Can only happen in the worse case scenario.

Checkout the link: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.tradingview.com/news/bitcoin_com:2e54af715094b:0-former-bitmex-ceo-arthur-hayes-etf-success-might-destroy-bitcoin/&ved=2ahUKEwiUwuqawauDAxWaQUEAHWv_CtgQFnoECCoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2-sM3s2iIVlWIk-TXjumNi

And let me hear your thoughts 
Firstly Op you shouldn't post links as bulky as this just like that. Instead, make use of the forum url element to embed them .Also Most time forum members are not much of fans of topics of this nature due to the fact that most topics like this are just either some random news , or some kind of blog article.

ETF to me seems to be stock traders scared of trading with Bitcoin. They hodl just for the benefits they get from using investment schemes just to gain from the Bitcoin ecosystem without actually investing in it.
The article has a section which to be some sort of quote saying Bitcoin is an asset. Which I would presume true due to the fact that Bitcoin is gradually losing its P2P adoption especially because of frequent mempool conjestions.
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If more people do not sell, that means the price will go up as it would become scarce. I do not know how this would be negative for bitcoin but positive because if bitcoin become scarce, satashi (sat) will not become scarce but become more valuable. You do not have to buy 1 BTC.
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Merry Xmas you all I came across a news today that pick my interest, it was about author Hayes view on Bitcoin ETFs approval which I found as a breath of fresh air of someone thinking about the negative impact ETF might have on Bitcoin. IMO I think that Can only happen in the worse case scenario.

Checkout the link: https://cointelegraph.com/news/spot-bitcoin-etf-could-completely-destroy-bitcoin-arthur-hayes

And let me hear your thoughts  
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