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Quote from: KTChampions on October 05, 2024, 01:18:06 PM

But this is a purely technical question, there is a more interesting question: why did this market appear at all? The problem is that I prefer the classic total and for any type of bet, splitting the odds by the number of goals by 0.5 is enough for me. Nothing else is required. But in each line I always see the Asian total and not always the classic one.
Does anyone have a reasonable explanation for this?

It looks as a safer bet, as it acts like insurance betting in horse racing, you win if your horse wins but you get your money back if he places (2-4) so at last you get a better chance (at lower odds) to not lose money.

People prefer it because the spread in football is quite different than in other sports, with smaller differences and just a goal ruining your bets they've come with this solution, which is a basically a double bet! For example you have two teams that don't score goal you go over 0.5, one must score one, someone more ferafull of this would bet 0.25.

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Good topic. I remember reading the FAQ to understand the essence of these markets.

But this is a purely technical question, there is a more interesting question: why did this market appear at all? The problem is that I prefer the classic total and for any type of bet, splitting the odds by the number of goals by 0.5 is enough for me. Nothing else is required. But in each line I always see the Asian total and not always the classic one.
Does anyone have a reasonable explanation for this?

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Quote from: Oshosondy on October 02, 2024, 04:21:47 AM

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For total: If it is under 1.5, it means the club will not score up to 2 goals for you to win the bet. If it is over 1.5, it means the club will score more than 2 goals for you to win the bet. The next will be under/over 2.5, under/over 3.5 and so on.

But I do not understand Asian total. What is over 2.25, under 2.5 and under 2.75? Also what does under 1.25, over 1.37, over 1.5, over 1.6 and over $1.77 means?

Actually this is easy to understand, i'm sure many of the community have conveyed this betting method to you. like the point you said above, the same applies to your question. referring to the screenshot you shared, the right is Over and the left is Under. the colored numbers are the odds available for the betting option you choose, for example, if you are sure that there will be no three goals, "referring to the screenshot" then the odds available are @1.77. but if you are sure that the match will produce many goals, for example you choose Over 3 goals, then the odds are @2.03. well, i'm sure you can understand it. actually the Under/Over option is an alternative for us when the odds that occur for both teams are not ideal. then, asian total can be another option for betting.

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I most likely encounter the 2.5 bets but not into the 2.75 it gives me confusion like you are playing with the scores of 2.5 and 3? Most of the bets I do in the game are the odds of maps like the 2.5 and 1.5 match so its easier to predict other casinos offering more than that and I did not make a bet like on the given by OP. If you are beginner in the gambling and you see the listed odds and handicap its give confusion to you which you need to consider to win.

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Well the Asian total, at least what you have put up in the picture here taken from Stake casino is the same as Over/Under goals. The .25 or .75 are half loss or half wins, over 2 or under 2 exactly if hit exactly 2 goals are void bets. These are the bets that most people like on contrary to you and I think you will like them too because you can win big if you for example make a parlay with a lot of over 1.5 goals who usually come up as winners in majority of the time unless you play in Argentina Super League where it looks like you hit the jackpot if you happen to get one of those right, that is how difficult is to score goals in such league. So Asian total are normal bets while Asian handicap is there to offer us more possibility to win our bets at a hugely reduced odd for each game.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on October 02, 2024, 04:21:47 AM

But I do not understand Asian total. What is over 2.25, under 2.5 and under 2.75? Also what does under 1.25, over 1.37, over 1.5, over 1.6 and over $1.77 means?

Asian betting options have lower risk than in regular markets, Asians are not only available on O/U, they are also available on handicap bets. There are only 2 additional options in Asian, they're 0.25 and 0.75. So there's no such thing as over 1.37, 1.6 or 1.77, those are the odds you get.

To make it easier for you to understand, let's just make an example.

In the Real Madrid - Barcelona match, you choose to bet on over 2.25 goals with a bet value of $1000 and with @2,00 odds. Then the result of the match is Real Madrid 1 - 1 Barcelona, meaning you will get 1/2 of your bet back. then what if you bet on over 1.75 with the same match result? that will make you win 1/2 of your total bet, if you bet $1000, then you will get $1500 in total.

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This is a helpful topic because not many people understand these options that is available in most modern betting platforms. I have been using many of them in the past such as those with whole numbers as I know their meaning but those with decimals of .25 and .75 are strange to me as I never knew their meaning. Through the comments here I have now understood some of them now and may be looking to integrate them into my selection. Maybe time have come to make some major adjustments for efficient gambling.

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@stompix Thank you very much for that table. Now I understand it more and maybe I will test out those Asian total options in sports betting.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 04, 2024, 01:48:10 AM

Let say 'Under 1.5 is equal to 4.50 odds, while the 'Over 1.5 is equal 1.20 odds. If you pick 'Under' means if any the team scores 1 goals you still win the match, and again if the other team still score goal to make it 1:1 you still win the bet, but if one of team score 2 goals on a straight making it 2:0 or 0:2 then you lose the match, so is applicable to options.

This is wrong, if you bet under 1.5 and the score is 1:1 you have lost the bet, there are two goals scored and you have chosen 1.25 and 1.75, both are lost.
This bet is for the total goals of the match not for one team, that's a separate thing altogether, in this match you've got 2 goals so it's a loss!

Yeah, I think he confused the total for just one team versus the total for the whole game. I see there are also options where you can bet for the total of one team only and I think @SmartGold01 might be pointing that one.

It gets confusing sometimes and I am always careful with this kind of bet because I made my mistake before. I can even confuse the under and over total score where in my mind I chose Total Over but when I checked the results I made a bet for the Total Under. Fucked my up and my money as I thought I had already won that bet but I didn't.
Most cases like this are when you are using 2 sports bookies. The other bookies will put the "under" on the left side of your screen while the other do it the other way.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on October 03, 2024, 11:54:14 PM

How does this work if it is part of a multi bet? Will I be losing half of the expected odds on that game, so my total winnings will reduce or I'll be losing half of my stake?

In a multi bet, it should be the same, you'll lose half of your stake in the multi while the other half goes on with adjusted odds and winnings because that other half from the total got pushed/voided, think of it as having two multis.

Quote from: Agbamoni on October 04, 2024, 06:00:13 PM

Hold, I still get confused in a way. Imagine you picked these odds in 3 different matches. How would the booker split the wins in half? That is what I don't really understand.

If you win half of every leg of the multi bet, the original odds of each bet will be reduced by half (1.90 to 1.45 as an example) and the winnings will readjust accordingly.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on October 04, 2024, 06:08:21 PM

I believe that countries may have different ways of having their own booking bet or gambling winning code that is making you to be confused, even myself I will think twice for such, but basically when looking at it, you will see that they are saying same thing

Imagine being the owner of a gambling platform. Why would I choose to set up a platform just for gamblers in my country and then include such odds? The odds in sports betting are simply the same odds used in other gambling platforms. Just that sometimes some odds have different names but its the same thing. The Asian total is a new gambling combo odds, especially in sports betting so I won't expect every gambler to be familiar with it.

That is the main reason for this discussion. I have been skipping that odd but I always wanted to know how to bet on it, not until these day. This is a good topic from the OP.

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The figures you see for the one you called Asian total is as same thing you explained, only difference between of them is the decimal points that being attached to them and if you removed the decimal points is as same as what you said, the thing is that I don't think that rating of prediction of matches as figures some out, is as same as the other countries, I believe that countries may have different ways of having their own booking bet or gambling winning code that is making you to be confused, even myself I will think twice for such, but basically when looking at it, you will see that they are saying same thing

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Quote from: Oshosondy on October 02, 2024, 04:21:47 AM

Do not mind me for this question.

I know about total (under and over) but this is used on local betting sites unlike the foreign betting sites that are using Asian total. I prefer to use crypto for betting instead. I do not bet on Asian total because it is confusing me.

When you mean by foreign site I wonder. This is because those gambling platforms you refer to as foreign are simply local sites to other persons. Let me be honest even local gambling platforms from your region possibly have these odds. I saw it in Sportybet and I skipped the odd though it was tempting and was looking similar to the over 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, and above.

Quote from: ralle14 on October 03, 2024, 10:01:15 PM

The blue numbers on the right side should be the decimal odds while the numbers on the left are the total number of goals.

Betting on over 2.25 goals means you'll be betting on both over 2 and 2.5 so if the match ends with two goals you still get half of your bet back because your bet was split in two (2 and 2.5).

The same applies for under 2.75 goals, you win your bet completely if it ends with two goals, and you only lose half if it goes to three.

This is a well-explained response thank you. It seems similar to a 2x combo. This means instead of just betting on over 2.5 and the game ends up in 2 goals you won't lose your bet. Hold, I still get confused in a way. Imagine you picked these odds in 3 different matches. How would the booker split the wins in half? That is what I don't really understand.

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For someone who has been placing bets for a long time, this is the first time I'm understanding how the Asian total actually work. I've been a big fan of the common under/total markets because of their simplicity. Asian total under/over just added another complexity overhead that I thought it would be too hard to understand. Every time I did bet on Asian totals, I always did a quick Google search and rinse and repeat next time so basically zero efforts to understand the logic around how it works.

Thanks @Oshosondy for bringing this up and to @ralle14 for the explainer. Not forgetting @stompix for posting that table as well

Truly, learning never stops.

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Quote from: ralle14 on October 03, 2024, 10:01:15 PM

The blue numbers on the right side should be the decimal odds while the numbers on the left are the total number of goals.

Betting on over 2.25 goals means you'll be betting on both over 2 and 2.5 so if the match ends with two goals you still get half of your bet back because your bet was split in two (2 and 2.5).

The same applies for under 2.75 goals, you win your bet completely if it ends with two goals, and you only lose half if it goes to three.

I never thought that the Asian Total works like that and I keep ignoring it just because I don't understand it aswell, even though I have been betting for a long time right now, because of that ralle14 is a pretty interesting find for me so thank you,

maybe I will now use this in my future bets that juicy 1 bet can have a slightly fair chance of winning and I never expected that Asian total to be this handy so hats off to you I now see the lack of knowledge I have when it comes to other stuff in the online gambling site, what other things you might have known you can surely make a thread about other stuff that mostly gamblers don't know in gambling sites and that will be a great help for sure.

Quote from: Hirose UK on October 03, 2024, 11:31:41 PM

This is good explanation and really easy to understand because basically some people even though they have known gambling for some time still can't understand or comprehend how the explanation and how it works in the sports betting market.
But I was quite surprised when people here didn't really understand how it works and the meaning of the various types of sports betting markets as questioned by OP related to Total Asian under/over, but it makes sense because I didn't know much about it when I first tried playing on gambling site because in land-based betting shops there was only the choice of winning.
There are many more types of betting markets and maybe some people also don't know or don't understand them all one by one, I think there will be more questions here in the future.

It was really a great explanation and I admit it was my 1st time understanding this Asian total thing on the gambling site pretty much a bummer for not knowing it early on and it is pretty much available with betting in sports that have scores like Basketball, Football, etc.. and because I mostly bet on fighting sports like UFC and Boxing I never really have a chance in using it.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 04, 2024, 01:48:10 AM

Let say 'Under 1.5 is equal to 4.50 odds, while the 'Over 1.5 is equal 1.20 odds. If you pick 'Under' means if any the team scores 1 goals you still win the match, and again if the other team still score goal to make it 1:1 you still win the bet, but if one of team score 2 goals on a straight making it 2:0 or 0:2 then you lose the match, so is applicable to options.

This is wrong, if you bet under 1.5 and the score is 1:1 you have lost the bet, there are two goals scored and you have chosen 1.25 and 1.75, both are lost.
This bet is for the total goals of the match not for one team, that's a separate thing altogether, in this match you've got 2 goals so it's a loss!

Quote from: Samlucky O on October 04, 2024, 02:04:35 AM

Well your explanation is true but in this context I think what the op is emphasizing is the over/under 1.75, 2.25, 2.75, 3.25, and 3.75odd. you can hardly see such option in the regular betting site.~ I just understand that there is no much difference from the normal over/under of Asian total from the normal, but the numbers make it look quite different.

The first thing is that most websites have Asian total and Asian handicap options, Stake has it, Sportsbet has it, and even bet365 has them!
Second, there is obviously a difference, a 2.25 for example is like an insurance bet, where if there are only two goals you get half of the bet, if you had played a normal 2.5 the bet would have been a total loss.

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What is the asian total is hahah Im still confused either I just came here because I thought there is some game that involve asian since I am also from Asia Grin

but didn't understand what is that. But hey I just do quick google search and found "The Asian total goal bet is a 2-way bet that provides the option of wagering on whether the total number of goals/points scored is over or under a predefined threshold. Unlike the European variant, there are not only half increments (1.5, 2.5 etc.), but also 0.25, 0.75 and 1.0 increases." https://www.swisslos.ch/en/sporttip/information/help/bet-types/asian-total-goal-bet.html

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Quote from: Samlucky O on October 04, 2024, 02:04:35 AM

Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 04, 2024, 01:48:10 AM

When I was very much active on using stake.com I usually comes across all these but then there is no much changes because it is same thing and you shouldn't be confused about how it's placed there. What matters is if you know already understand it from the previous site, because the Asian total is just normal betting system, which you just have to pick.
Let say 'Under 1.5 is equal to 4.50 odds, while the 'Over 1.5 is equal 1.20 odds. If you pick 'Under' means if any the team scores 1 goals you still win the match, and again if the other team still score goal to make it 1:1 you still win the bet, but if one of team score 2 goals on a straight making it 2:0 or 0:2 then you lose the match, so is applicable to options.
Then let me also explain the 'Over' for instance, when you have about only 0:1 or 1:0 then you lose the match, but if you have 1:1 or 2:1 or 2:0 you still win the match same way it's applicable to rest options in Asian total.

Well your explanation is true but in this context I think what the op is emphasizing is the over/under 1.75, 2.25, 2.75, 3.25, and 3.75odd. you can hardly see such option in the regular betting site. Like me I am familiar with over/under 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4odd and above but nut used to those ones I have explained above. I think I am equally confused about this but with the help of some explanation I see in the comments section I am able to grab something.

Well that is the way I understand it and will that method I have been winning although even though I didn't regularly stake with huge amount or compounding much games in the slip I do win. Example; I chose about 3-6 games as multiple bets and stake with a riskable amount. I don't usually allowed those decimals to affect me or make changes focus as they mean same thing while choosing your options.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 04, 2024, 01:48:10 AM

Quote from: Oshosondy on October 02, 2024, 04:21:47 AM

Do not mind me for this question.

I know about total (under and over) but this is used on local betting sites unlike the foreign betting sites that are using Asian total. I prefer to use crypto for betting instead. I do not bet on Asian total because it is confusing me.

For total: If it is under 1.5, it means the club will not score up to 2 goals for you to win the bet. If it is over 1.5, it means the club will score more than 2 goals for you to win the bet. The next will be under/over 2.5, under/over 3.5 and so on.

But I do not understand Asian total. What is over 2.25, under 2.5 and under 2.75? Also what does under 1.25, over 1.37, over 1.5, over 1.6 and over $1.77 means?

When I was very much active on using stake.com I usually comes across all these but then there is no much changes because it is same thing and you shouldn't be confused about how it's placed there. What matters is if you know already understand it from the previous site, because the Asian total is just normal betting system, which you just have to pick.
Let say 'Under 1.5 is equal to 4.50 odds, while the 'Over 1.5 is equal 1.20 odds. If you pick 'Under' means if any the team scores 1 goals you still win the match, and again if the other team still score goal to make it 1:1 you still win the bet, but if one of team score 2 goals on a straight making it 2:0 or 0:2 then you lose the match, so is applicable to options.
Then let me also explain the 'Over' for instance, when you have about only 0:1 or 1:0 then you lose the match, but if you have 1:1 or 2:1 or 2:0 you still win the match same way it's applicable to rest options in Asian total.

Well your explanation is true but in this context I think what the op is emphasizing is the over/under 1.75, 2.25, 2.75, 3.25, and 3.75odd. you can hardly see such option in the regular betting site. Like me I am familiar with over/under 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4odd and above but nut used to those ones I have explained above. I think I am equally confused about this but with the help of some explanation I see in the comments section I am able to grab something. I just understand that there is no much difference from the normal over/under of Asian total from the normal, but the numbers make it look quite different.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on October 02, 2024, 04:21:47 AM

Do not mind me for this question.

I know about total (under and over) but this is used on local betting sites unlike the foreign betting sites that are using Asian total. I prefer to use crypto for betting instead. I do not bet on Asian total because it is confusing me.

For total: If it is under 1.5, it means the club will not score up to 2 goals for you to win the bet. If it is over 1.5, it means the club will score more than 2 goals for you to win the bet. The next will be under/over 2.5, under/over 3.5 and so on.

But I do not understand Asian total. What is over 2.25, under 2.5 and under 2.75? Also what does under 1.25, over 1.37, over 1.5, over 1.6 and over $1.77 means?

When I was very much active on using stake.com I usually comes across all these but then there is no much changes because it is same thing and you shouldn't be confused about how it's placed there. What matters is if you know already understand it from the previous site, because the Asian total is just normal betting system, which you just have to pick.
Let say 'Under 1.5 is equal to 4.50 odds, while the 'Over 1.5 is equal 1.20 odds. If you pick 'Under' means if any the team scores 1 goals you still win the match, and again if the other team still score goal to make it 1:1 you still win the bet, but if one of team score 2 goals on a straight making it 2:0 or 0:2 then you lose the match, so is applicable to options.
Then let me also explain the 'Over' for instance, when you have about only 0:1 or 1:0 then you lose the match, but if you have 1:1 or 2:1 or 2:0 you still win the match same way it's applicable to rest options in Asian total.

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Quote from: ralle14 on October 03, 2024, 10:01:15 PM

The blue numbers on the right side should be the decimal odds while the numbers on the left are the total number of goals.

Betting on over 2.25 goals means you'll be betting on both over 2 and 2.5 so if the match ends with two goals you still get half of your bet back because your bet was split in two (2 and 2.5).

Wow this is well explained, of a truth I find this Asians total bets chart quite confusing and fustrating and having tried to place a bet on it sometime ago and due to the situation of how's it's been calculated I stop betting on it, but with this explanations of yours and how to go about it I believe I can be able to calculate my bets under and over and know when I win the bets as well, and with this have been able to understand that the blue numbers in the right hand side is for decimal odds while the left hand side is the total number of goals. This is quite a relief.

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