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legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1000
December 06, 2012, 12:56:51 PM
#49
I stick to my opinion.

1) No reason to request someone to pay in advance (6 months in advance or more) for a product that was already pushed back at least twice.
2) In the unlikely case that they were able to get ASICS working.... why would they sell them so cheap? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!!
3) The Single SC, with a performance of 60,000 Mhash (60GH) but let's be pesimistic and say that it can mine at 50,000Mhash/s...
with the current difficulty, and halving, you could mine 6.5 BTC per day. At the current BTC price, your ROI is about 15 days (let's say 20 if we calculate electricity there, and I'm being super pesimistic)
So, in conclusion, since NO ONE has seen an ASIC, and BFL is selling them at a fraction of what GPU mining and even FPGA mining costs (The ROI's for GPU and FPGS are no less than 4-6 months) there's definitely something that doesn't add up.
I'm happy for the people that are believers, you guys live in a fantasy world.... but being BFL a for profit, and putting myself in their shoes, it doesn't make ANY sense to sell ASIC so cheap, and if I had ASIC, I would much rather mine with them and make some profit before shipping them out... or better yet, I would change my business model and I'd mine with them instead of selling them away...
just my two cents.

within one month, the ROI will go from 2 weeks to 5 months, like it has been historically.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
December 06, 2012, 11:56:28 AM
#48
I dont think its a Scam. Not even from the get go. Theres just too much into outside information from other sources for just a few companies to pull something of this maganatude off. Just look at the new MIT write up (google it) Yes, we are burdened with delays, and it is frustrating, but its not a scam by any means.
legendary
Activity: 2450
Merit: 1002
December 05, 2012, 11:02:15 AM
#47
They dont exist...
hero member
Activity: 633
Merit: 500
December 05, 2012, 09:33:49 AM
#46
But there is an enormous timeframe in which they they may not deliver.  They could fail to deliver for the next 1000 years.  But once they deliver, the deed is done. So in other words, stay prepared to hear about how BFL isn't delivering for the foreseeable future.  And because "dog bites man" isn't news, when they do deliver, we'll all be back to the speculation forum where we belong.
copper member
Activity: 2310
Merit: 1032
December 05, 2012, 07:25:50 AM
#45
Agree with plenty of these threads, I bought in late, just one unit, People are starting to pull out, And getting their money back, Not me, I will sit in this ride till its conclusion.

Let the trolls have their fun, If BFL dliver they will shut up fast, If not I will shut up fast  Grin
mem
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 501
Herp Derp PTY LTD
December 05, 2012, 01:19:24 AM
#44
I don't have any pre order, so I shouldn't interfere but would there not be a point in telling others not to order anything from BFL or claiming that they'll never market a product, if you are sure you get one yourself so you will have a better chance of recouping your investment as less ASIC's are sold because of slander?  

Excellent point Luno. I think the haters fall into two camps,

1. Those that didn't order early when they had the chance and are now kicking themselves.
2. As you said, those who did order and are trying to sow misinformation for their own gain.

This is the very same song Pirates investors were singing, good luck with that Smiley
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
December 04, 2012, 11:46:58 PM
#43
Its only a scam if theymos invests in it and loses money.
mem
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 501
Herp Derp PTY LTD
December 04, 2012, 11:38:41 PM
#42
I stopped giving a crap for a couple weeks but now I'm back and now BFL's website has actual pictures of the finished product.  That means they have some chips, are assembling and testing some, and are obviously close to shipping.  

Yeah, only those chips you saw? Mock-ups. They don't have any chips at BFL, mostly because the chips don't even exist yet. Apparently the chips are going to be finished by next week, maybe, with luck. BFL doesn't know. They have no idea when their chips are going to be finished. But it could be next week. With luck. Who knows?

Filtering through the Inaba speak this is probably how it's gonna go:
 - Finally understanding how Asian fabs work, BFL raises their order from 20000 chips to 100000 to bump up their place in the production queue.
 - Fab decides they finally have time for that weirdo BFL company to do their miniscule run on the 11th. This is under provision no big orders from LG come in in the mean time because boy that Nexus 4 is selling like hotcakes. If that happens BFLs run is gonna be pushed back to "whenever".
 - Assuming the 11th happens and the run actually starts, you can add about 4-5 weeks for production of these things.
 - On 21st of December the world ends
 - In the middle of January the chips are finished. Inaba decides to hop in a plane and fly over to the fab to hand receive the chips. Turns out, all planes crashed during the end of the world. Instead the chips are shipped over to 'merica by boat.
 - Middle of March the chips finally arrive in what is now called the Independent State of California. Customs officials hold what they assume to be weapons grade military devices until the end of the war with Texas finally ends in a stalemate.
- 2015: ASICs arrive at BFL studios (a subsidiary of bAvalon International). No one knows what to do with them because all bitcoins were wiped out by the EMP pulse from Planet Rth'Nag'Ar.
- 2016: bAvalon strings the chips up on metal bars to produce a first-of-its-kind mathematics device they call The Abacus.

lmao, I gotta wipe spit and snot off my screen you made me laugh so hard.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 4606
diamond-handed zealot
December 04, 2012, 01:19:23 PM
#41
I stopped giving a crap for a couple weeks but now I'm back and now BFL's website has actual pictures of the finished product.  That means they have some chips, are assembling and testing some, and are obviously close to shipping.  

Yeah, only those chips you saw? Mock-ups. They don't have any chips at BFL, mostly because the chips don't even exist yet. Apparently the chips are going to be finished by next week, maybe, with luck. BFL doesn't know. They have no idea when their chips are going to be finished. But it could be next week. With luck. Who knows?

Filtering through the Inaba speak this is probably how it's gonna go:
 - Finally understanding how Asian fabs work, BFL raises their order from 20000 chips to 100000 to bump up their place in the production queue.
 - Fab decides they finally have time for that weirdo BFL company to do their miniscule run on the 11th. This is under provision no big orders from LG come in in the mean time because boy that Nexus 4 is selling like hotcakes. If that happens BFLs run is gonna be pushed back to "whenever".
 - Assuming the 11th happens and the run actually starts, you can add about 4-5 weeks for production of these things.
 - On 21st of December the world ends
 - In the middle of January the chips are finished. Inaba decides to hop in a plane and fly over to the fab to hand receive the chips. Turns out, all planes crashed during the end of the world. Instead the chips are shipped over to 'merica by boat.
 - Middle of March the chips finally arrive in what is now called the Independent State of California. Customs officials hold what they assume to be weapons grade military devices until the end of the war with Texas finally ends in a stalemate.
- 2015: ASICs arrive at BFL studios (a subsidiary of bAvalon International). No one knows what to do with them because all bitcoins were wiped out by the EMP pulse from Planet Rth'Nag'Ar.
- 2016: bAvalon strings the chips up on metal bars to produce a first-of-its-kind mathematics device they call The Abacus.

absolute gold
full member
Activity: 133
Merit: 100
December 04, 2012, 09:55:44 AM
#40
3. The ones that didn't pre order because they had decided for themselves that there is not enough evidence shown (working prototype, pictures, etc...). Desperately trying to talk sense into "newbies" not wasting money on an at the moment non existent unicorn?

4. Trolls in general Smiley

5. those that preordered and are now scared that the whole thing is scam and they will never see their money ever again
bce
sr. member
Activity: 756
Merit: 250
December 04, 2012, 08:57:13 AM
#39
- On 21st of December the world ends
 - In the middle of January the chips are finished. Inaba decides to hop in a plane and fly over to the fab to hand receive the chips. Turns out, all planes crashed during the end of the world.

On the upside, at least the world ends before Chinese New Year delays can begin Smiley.
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1000
December 03, 2012, 06:36:30 PM
#38
Don't know about anyone else, but I already canceled my order.  Luckily I was refunded already.  May want to get in before they disappear with your money.

That is right,  please everyone cancel your order.  hurry. it might be too late!
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
The All-in-One Cryptocurrency Exchange
December 03, 2012, 06:07:56 PM
#37
Don't know about anyone else, but I already canceled my order.  Luckily I was refunded already.  May want to get in before they disappear with your money.
member
Activity: 88
Merit: 10
Gliding...
December 03, 2012, 05:37:19 PM
#36
I stopped giving a crap for a couple weeks but now I'm back and now BFL's website has actual pictures of the finished product.  That means they have some chips, are assembling and testing some, and are obviously close to shipping.  

Yeah, only those chips you saw? Mock-ups. They don't have any chips at BFL, mostly because the chips don't even exist yet. Apparently the chips are going to be finished by next week, maybe, with luck. BFL doesn't know. They have no idea when their chips are going to be finished. But it could be next week. With luck. Who knows?

Filtering through the Inaba speak this is probably how it's gonna go:
 - Finally understanding how Asian fabs work, BFL raises their order from 20000 chips to 100000 to bump up their place in the production queue.
 - Fab decides they finally have time for that weirdo BFL company ....

+1  & Smiley

PandaMouse
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
LTC
December 03, 2012, 04:17:18 PM
#35
Filtering through the Inaba speak this is probably how it's gonna go:
 - Finally understanding how Asian fabs work, BFL raises their order from 20000 chips to 100000 to bump up their place in the production queue.
 - Fab decides they finally have time for that weirdo BFL company to do their miniscule run on the 11th. This is under provision no big orders from LG come in in the mean time because boy that Nexus 4 is selling like hotcakes. If that happens BFLs run is gonna be pushed back to "whenever".
 - Assuming the 11th happens and the run actually starts, you can add about 4-5 weeks for production of these things.
 - On 21st of December the world ends
 - In the middle of January the chips are finished. Inaba decides to hop in a plane and fly over to the fab to hand receive the chips. Turns out, all planes crashed during the end of the world. Instead the chips are shipped over to 'merica by boat.
 - Middle of March the chips finally arrive in what is now called the Independent State of California. Customs officials hold what they assume to be weapons grade military devices until the end of the war with Texas finally ends in a stalemate.
- 2015: ASICs arrive at BFL studios (a subsidiary of bAvalon International). No one knows what to do with them because all bitcoins were wiped out by the EMP pulse from Planet Rth'Nag'Ar.
- 2016: bAvalon strings the chips up on metal bars to produce a first-of-its-kind mathematics device they call The Abacus.

 Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1000
December 03, 2012, 02:13:21 PM
#34


What is really funny is:

All the haters/trolling is just creating free advertisements for BFL..  lol
hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 1009
December 03, 2012, 06:22:10 AM
#33
I stopped giving a crap for a couple weeks but now I'm back and now BFL's website has actual pictures of the finished product.  That means they have some chips, are assembling and testing some, and are obviously close to shipping.  

Yeah, only those chips you saw? Mock-ups. They don't have any chips at BFL, mostly because the chips don't even exist yet. Apparently the chips are going to be finished by next week, maybe, with luck. BFL doesn't know. They have no idea when their chips are going to be finished. But it could be next week. With luck. Who knows?

Filtering through the Inaba speak this is probably how it's gonna go:
 - Finally understanding how Asian fabs work, BFL raises their order from 20000 chips to 100000 to bump up their place in the production queue.
 - Fab decides they finally have time for that weirdo BFL company to do their miniscule run on the 11th. This is under provision no big orders from LG come in in the mean time because boy that Nexus 4 is selling like hotcakes. If that happens BFLs run is gonna be pushed back to "whenever".
 - Assuming the 11th happens and the run actually starts, you can add about 4-5 weeks for production of these things.
 - On 21st of December the world ends
 - In the middle of January the chips are finished. Inaba decides to hop in a plane and fly over to the fab to hand receive the chips. Turns out, all planes crashed during the end of the world. Instead the chips are shipped over to 'merica by boat.
 - Middle of March the chips finally arrive in what is now called the Independent State of California. Customs officials hold what they assume to be weapons grade military devices until the end of the war with Texas finally ends in a stalemate.
- 2015: ASICs arrive at BFL studios (a subsidiary of bAvalon International). No one knows what to do with them because all bitcoins were wiped out by the EMP pulse from Planet Rth'Nag'Ar.
- 2016: bAvalon strings the chips up on metal bars to produce a first-of-its-kind mathematics device they call The Abacus.
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
December 03, 2012, 03:16:30 AM
#32
I stopped giving a crap for a couple weeks but now I'm back and now BFL's website has actual pictures of the finished product.  That means they have some chips, are assembling and testing some, and are obviously close to shipping.  They might even be packaging right now.  Their original statement that they later buried was that they were realistically going to ship right before Christmas.  Then they said October so everyone placed their pre-orders with their company instead of their competition.  Then they backpedaled and kept saying "well, we don't know though" and "it might be later" and tada, we're back at reality where we started from.

Also, the Steve Jobs in that cartoon would be where he's going already if he wasn't using Apple Maps.

They posted pictures of finished product? Damn, go away for one weekend and the world changes. Where abouts did they post them?
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
December 03, 2012, 01:16:08 AM
#31
I stopped giving a crap for a couple weeks but now I'm back and now BFL's website has actual pictures of the finished product.  That means they have some chips, are assembling and testing some, and are obviously close to shipping.  They might even be packaging right now.  Their original statement that they later buried was that they were realistically going to ship right before Christmas.  Then they said October so everyone placed their pre-orders with their company instead of their competition.  Then they backpedaled and kept saying "well, we don't know though" and "it might be later" and tada, we're back at reality where we started from.

Welcome back to giving a crap. Tough to be sure of anything with this company, but last I heard they were awaiting chips and expected them next week, though there was a post saying they'd been delayed again till nearer the end of the month. Josh seems to think they could still get the chips, assemble, test, and ship before the end of the year, but I seriously doubt it given that everything seems to take far longer with this company than they say it will. Plus it'd be right up against Christmas, good luck getting everyone to focus on work.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
December 03, 2012, 12:46:07 AM
#30
I stopped giving a crap for a couple weeks but now I'm back and now BFL's website has actual pictures of the finished product.  That means they have some chips, are assembling and testing some, and are obviously close to shipping.  They might even be packaging right now.  Their original statement that they later buried was that they were realistically going to ship right before Christmas.  Then they said October so everyone placed their pre-orders with their company instead of their competition.  Then they backpedaled and kept saying "well, we don't know though" and "it might be later" and tada, we're back at reality where we started from.

Also, the Steve Jobs in that cartoon would be where he's going already if he wasn't using Apple Maps.
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