Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 135. (Read 3917058 times)

for each seller, there is a buyer.

AM people have nerves of steel.
They (we) can't be talked out of what we know this company is capable of becoming again.

Lets see. During the IPO phase, AM had the potential to produce one of the, if not THE first asic and with a fairly minimal capex and opex, obtain a huge % of the network. We had a CEO that was communicative and a market situation where even missing the specs by nearly an order of magnitude could still result in a (very) profitable operation. Guess what, i invested only a token amount.

Fast forward to today, we have a highly competitive market with several major players, enormous capex and opex requirements, razor thin margins, next to no room for error in execution, CEO is hardly saying anything, we've not seen a financial statement for ages, its release appears to be pending the recruitment of a spindoctor, we see some large investors importing their shares to havelock and dumping them. And you honestly think I judge this situation to be more compelling than the IPO?

Nop.

more than 1500 shares imported and dumped instantly into 1100 bids so 400 more

Another big movement on Havelock! That 900+ order got filled. Do you think it was a 'real' trade or merely someone selling the shares to themselves? Anyways, Havelock will be happy about the trade, I guess...

Great times, if there are even few promises (not to speak about fulfillment of any promise...)

Once again letting a gleam of the overconfidence of the BE200 chips show while watching missed expectations follow.


I can't really see AM/RM waiting for them to hit a seemingly arbitrary amount of hashing power prior to listing/"promoting" the AMHash offer.

My guess is they were slowly building up then offered AMHash1 once they hit a full 5PH. Even with AMHash1 having poor sales they should still be doing pretty good with 5PH hashing away. Of course this is all speculation, but it makes sense to me 

Probably has something to do with this...

If you are referring to the ~ 220 TH/s belonging to id 67117, why do you think it is now AMHash?

No, there have been very few promises in general lately. 

Someone mentioned end of October.
But, I can't recall if there was one promised.

Read OrganofCorti's blog on mining data.  And also, its been evident for a while that AM's been splitting their hashrate among pools...the BTCGuild hashing power at the old mining user profile is now AMHash, correct?

If you had far more hashing power than you could sell would you just leave it lying around doing nothing or would you put that hashing power to work?

I'm bored and so is everyone else today.

Wow, we have the entire unholy trinity of RoadStress, NotLambChop, and Puppet in here today...methinks this might mean the 3 (or honestly, you might all be the same person) are trying to grab a few last shares at IPO before the financials and divs are released?

I was trying to give you an example that you just can't answer "I don't know" and that anyone can speculate on this. Your refusal to discuss this topic back then can't be motivated by a simply "I don't know". I was pulling some numbers out of my arse back then when you refused a normal discussion. I said that at 0.5$/GH there are needed 30M$ for AM to sell their chip stock and I said that it is highly unlikely that they can do it. Instead of replying to me with arguments you chose to accuse me of trying to promote SP-Tech as always.

Right now I am not interested in that discussion anymore because it's obviously outdated and AM clearly missed their 4 months target to sell all the chips. When I said that it's near impossible you accused me of promoting other miners as usual.

Also by "been building their mining farms since mid July" you don't actually expect me or anyone else to think that it is a continuous work since then. They are either done or extremely slow in doing it and I will keep stating that since they aren't showing their hashrate then it's way too small to make a difference. It's not a fact since nobody has the true numbers, but it's an educated guess (I know that you are unable to do them). So your statement that AM has far more than 4PH/s hashing right now it's just a big big lie imo. Not for self-mining anyway. Contracts and other franchise are different, but the self mining is obviously way less than 4PH/s.


So 5PH/s is just a small slice. Ok...

Sounds like a real solid operation.  Divs must be rolling in.  How much have you lost since "investing" in this, BTW?  Or were you smart enough to stop buying after the IPO?

AM do not have 60 Ph/s. That had 60 Ph/s months ago. Since then, they've sold ASIC, they've sold miners, and they've recently started mining contracts. They've also been building their mining farms since mid July and taped out the gen 4 ASIC in September. So, how many Ph/s remain to be sold and how much money do AM have? Oh, but it costs X$/Gh to deploy and all we have to do is put in random numbers until we get a price we're happy with? Simple! 

Go ahead then, pull some numbers out your arse which don't actually represent anything except your imagination and plug them into your equation. What the hell will that show?


Well, I've already told you that I don't know. Is that too difficult for you to understand?

The funny thing about that discussion is that you don't need any special training to try to put some numbers down. Only elementary math is needed. You have 60PH to deploy and it costs you X$/GH. All you had to do is to just put a random number for X so you could get the total amount of money needed for that deploy. Afterwards you do it again increasing or decreasing the X value until you get to a satisfying total amount. After agreed about the total price we could discuss about the origins of those money.


Have a look at https://blockchain.info/pools and http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/ Right now KnC is at 6%. Where is AM at?

It seems that I mistakenly read AntFarm instead of AntPool. I retract the AntFarm statement.


Again bringing SP-Tech into discussion out of thing air. I know it's a big pain in the ass for you and you only think about them, but please try to not bring them up anymore. We are talking about AM right now, not about the competition. Can you stick to the subject? Pointing your shit towards other companies will not make FC make better business decisions, will not bring dividends faster and will not increase share price. You have to just accept the reality and just move on. SP-Tech didn't bring/force AM into their present status. Instead of pointing towards others please tell me where is AM right now and what is AM doing right now for its shareholders. Oh wait you don't know. Nobody knows. In the past they were a force when it came to self-mining, now they are nowhere to be seen. Prove me wrong.