A problem with devtome/devcoin seems to be that it's a pre-mined or inventor-created internet token, like the rather notorious ripple, that the creators can attempt to flog for real money (USD, or BTC which are then sold for USD), but while the creators can try to sell whatever tokens they create, the writer-contributors only get 'leaked' devcoins at an extremely slow rate. As devcoins are sold off - and there is of course nothing else to do with them - at an ever-devaluing rate (1,000,000/BTC a short while ago, now 2,000,000/BTC) the amount that devtome writers can earn per month (around the 100,000 devcoins/day, ongoing if they keep writing at the maximum permissible level of 80,000 words per month) will get less and less in 'real money' terms. Someone starting this game will think that even if they get devcoins at a slow rate initially, if they keep writing the maximum permissible number of words per month (or rather per devcoin block), they will eventually build up a worthwhile income after many months (or devcoin blocks) of writing, but actually the steady devaluation of devcoins relative to BTC/USD means that in 'real money' terms they will never be able to earn more than a trifling amount of real money per month (or per devcoin-block) for the work they do.
A brilliant idea which I much admire, but these cryptocurrency wheezes are essentially only good for the inventors, and for a few early adopters.
By the way, I have some tulip bulbs to sell if any of you kids are interested.
Topic: AskDevs (a solution to the controversy and quality problems with Devtome) (Read 1549 times)
August 19, 2013, 06:03:50 AM
July 09, 2013, 04:29:21 PM
Story: Secession
Minimum Length: 5,000 words
First Prize: 1,000,000 devcoins
Second Prize: 500,000 devcoins
Scenario: A group of freedom fanatics buys an island and then secedes! There's at least a hundred of em, the island has enough farmland to support them, they have lots of guns, and they have good communication equipment including cellphones and at least one satellite phone and one ham radio transmitter.
Minimum Length: 5,000 words
First Prize: 1,000,000 devcoins
Second Prize: 500,000 devcoins
Scenario: A group of freedom fanatics buys an island and then secedes! There's at least a hundred of em, the island has enough farmland to support them, they have lots of guns, and they have good communication equipment including cellphones and at least one satellite phone and one ham radio transmitter.
Any deadline for this? I started drafting something tonight but I have to warn you, it doesn't have a happy ending.
No deadline, whoever hits 5,000 words first gets first prize.
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I started drafting something tonight but I have to warn you, it doesn't have a happy ending.
I didn't expect a happy ending, that's why I made sure they had communications equipment so their heroic sacrifice was remembered
Ding! Just finished my story. Hits on all requirements as well. Let me know what you think,
.http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=freedom_kills
Thanks!
July 09, 2013, 02:26:58 AM
The moderated Stories and Question thread is at:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stories-and-questions-moderated-252709
Please post your story requests and questions there.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stories-and-questions-moderated-252709
Please post your story requests and questions there.
June 30, 2013, 04:08:38 PM
On the subject of a question/answer site: What incentive would I have to use it over well-established services, such as StackOverflow (and related stackexchange sites) or even Yahoo Answers...all of which don't cost me my DVC?
Because if your answer isn't on StackOverflow or Yahoo Answers or if the only person who can answer it is on AskDevs then you'll have to go to AskDevs. Some people in this community are the only people who can answer certain questions, in other cases the answer will be so difficult that no one is going to want to spend a hours,days, or months answering it for free on Yahoo Answers or StackOverflow.
Like if I ask the question, what is the best way to increase the market cap for PPCoin?
It's a specific question so it wont be on Yahoo Answers. It wont be on StackOverflow either. The more specific it is the less likely you'll find it there. Like if I ask: what is a viable solution for Blockchain bloat?
Even less likely we will see that on StackOverflow or Yahoo answers.
Now lets say I ask a hyper specific question like: How can we maximize the security of Netcoin network while maintaining a decentralized power structure?
Most people don't know what Netcoin is on those other sites because it's not even released yet. Most don't know much about hashing algorithms and even if they did, if we don't pay them they aren't going to invent a new hashing algorithm or a new algorithm to solve a particular problem so what I was aiming for with AskDevs was not just a site to tell stories or to ask random questions but a site to allow developers in the cryptocurrency community to in a structured fashion ask questions to the whole cryptocurrency community. To leverage the brainpower of the whole cryptocurrency community which I believe is immense and underutilized.
Zerocoin was invented to make Bitcoin more anonymous, but the question "How can we allow anonymous online transactions" could have been floating around in the community for months. Just like the question of how to build a distributed exchange floated around for months until it was resolved. Now the questions about market cap and how to increase market cap are still floating around and because they aren't all in one place we wont even be able to find the common community asked questions, and because all the solutions aren't in one place the next coin developer (such as Tacotime who is developing Netcoin) will not easily be able to look at all the solutions or algorithms which exist to make better coins.
This is the reason why we end up with so many cloned coins which are technologically worthless. AskDevs would act as a type of scientific journal where individuals can ask a question of unlimited complexity if the bounty is high enough to solve it. It has to be AskDevs because Stack Exchange and Yahoo Answers don't support Bitcoin and don't pay for solutions which means you're not going to get PhD level solutions from it even if some people have PhD level knowledge.
For reference: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions
see the strengths and limitations of StackExchange.
June 30, 2013, 03:56:06 PM
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If bounties are given, I have the domain name for AskDevs and came up with the idea. Do I get a portion of the bounty? How will the bounty be distributed?
If bounties are given, I have the domain name for AskDevs and came up with the idea. Do I get a portion of the bounty? How will the bounty be distributed?
If the idea succeeds, you and Wiser will get four shares. I will consider the idea a success if at least one big article is written because of it.
If the idea succeeds big and it's worth making a web site, then you'll be paid for the domain plus some more for your idea.
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So we going to use this thread as an experiment? If that is the case this will get interesting.
I'm going to see what people say on this thread over the next few days, then I'll make a new moderated thread and announce it on the main thread.
Thanks, I appreciate the support. It encourages me to develop more ideas and spend more time on the ideas I have. Let's see how successful this idea can become.
June 28, 2013, 08:08:06 PM
I like the idea of "bounties for story prompts or specific types of articles" since that can help focus the devtome effort more. Not sure I agree with the payout method being based solely on who finishes first...that does nothing for the quality issues we have debated in the past.
I'd be much more on board with this if there were instead categories to aim for, with an associated reward. For example,
- Fastest completion time: 200,000 DVC
- Most entertaining/amusing story: 200,000 DVC
- Best overall happy ending: 250,000 DVC
- Best overall sad ending: 250,000 DVC
(There could of course be more categories or different categories; these are just a few off-the-top-of-my-head ideas)
Set up a panel of 3-5 impartial judges, get them to all reach conclusions on all these categories, then announce results. There could even be 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place in each category and split up the bounties between them somehow. And perhaps even limit the number of prizes any one entry can receive.
On the subject of a question/answer site: What incentive would I have to use it over well-established services, such as StackOverflow (and related stackexchange sites) or even Yahoo Answers...all of which don't cost me my DVC?
I'd be much more on board with this if there were instead categories to aim for, with an associated reward. For example,
- Fastest completion time: 200,000 DVC
- Most entertaining/amusing story: 200,000 DVC
- Best overall happy ending: 250,000 DVC
- Best overall sad ending: 250,000 DVC
(There could of course be more categories or different categories; these are just a few off-the-top-of-my-head ideas)
Set up a panel of 3-5 impartial judges, get them to all reach conclusions on all these categories, then announce results. There could even be 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place in each category and split up the bounties between them somehow. And perhaps even limit the number of prizes any one entry can receive.
On the subject of a question/answer site: What incentive would I have to use it over well-established services, such as StackOverflow (and related stackexchange sites) or even Yahoo Answers...all of which don't cost me my DVC?
June 28, 2013, 07:40:02 PM
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If bounties are given, I have the domain name for AskDevs and came up with the idea. Do I get a portion of the bounty? How will the bounty be distributed?
If bounties are given, I have the domain name for AskDevs and came up with the idea. Do I get a portion of the bounty? How will the bounty be distributed?
If the idea succeeds, you and Wiser will get four shares. I will consider the idea a success if at least one big article is written because of it.
If the idea succeeds big and it's worth making a web site, then you'll be paid for the domain plus some more for your idea.
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So we going to use this thread as an experiment? If that is the case this will get interesting.
I'm going to see what people say on this thread over the next few days, then I'll make a new moderated thread and announce it on the main thread.
June 28, 2013, 06:02:20 PM
Here's a variation to consider--might be an easier way to start.
Have a form on the Devtome or related to the Devtome where people can submit what it is they most want to read. It could be a type of fiction story, an answer to a burning question, or anything, really, as long as the request is specific. For example, instead of saying: "I like to read fiction," they should say "I'd like to read a thriller in which a hostile government attempts to destroy a promising cryptocoin by adding a malicious bug to automatic software updates which systematically deletes people's wallets and a band of scrappy computer hacks saves the day." BTW, my "example" is referencing this thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-governments-could-destroy-bitcoin-for-most-in-one-day-237284) in case anyone is curious as to how I came up with it
Submissions could be posted (following some screening process) and Devtome writers could choose to take on those subjects. Rather than having the one who submitted the request put up a bounty, just have those stories count double or something. So if I wrote a 30,000 word short novel covering the above topic, then rather than earning 30 shares I'd earn 60, just because I wrote something that someone else said they wanted to read. Any multiplier could work; I just use 2 as an example. I'd still earn 1 share for every thousand words I wrote that was just my own choice of content.
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Have a form on the Devtome or related to the Devtome where people can submit what it is they most want to read. It could be a type of fiction story, an answer to a burning question, or anything, really, as long as the request is specific. For example, instead of saying: "I like to read fiction," they should say "I'd like to read a thriller in which a hostile government attempts to destroy a promising cryptocoin by adding a malicious bug to automatic software updates which systematically deletes people's wallets and a band of scrappy computer hacks saves the day." BTW, my "example" is referencing this thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-governments-could-destroy-bitcoin-for-most-in-one-day-237284) in case anyone is curious as to how I came up with it
Submissions could be posted (following some screening process) and Devtome writers could choose to take on those subjects. Rather than having the one who submitted the request put up a bounty, just have those stories count double or something. So if I wrote a 30,000 word short novel covering the above topic, then rather than earning 30 shares I'd earn 60, just because I wrote something that someone else said they wanted to read. Any multiplier could work; I just use 2 as an example. I'd still earn 1 share for every thousand words I wrote that was just my own choice of content.
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I like this idea, because writers already get paid for stories, so another payment system doesn't have to be made.
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I'm not a computer person, so I'm not sure how feasible the above idea is, nor how easy it would be to exploit.
Programs take a long time to make, longer than you expect even if you expect the unexpected. Automatic earnings are easy to exploit, at some point you need people to decide on payments.
I'd like to start with a moderated thread where readers could post their questions or story requests, along with how much they'll pay. Writers who want to make extra money could look over the thread and see if there's something worthwhile. Readers should post a first and second prize, so that a writer knows that they'll almost certainly get something, besides the devtome earnings.
If there is a lot of interest, we could make a bounty for a story site or question and answer site. I'm going to make a test post below, and people are welcome to comment on it.
If bounties are given, I have the domain name for AskDevs and came up with the idea. Do I get a portion of the bounty? How will the bounty be distributed?
So we going to use this thread as an experiment? If that is the case this will get interesting.
June 28, 2013, 01:58:35 AM
hehehe.... let me rustle some feathers, first to write a simplified guide on how to apply new algorithms to bitcoin or litecoin source gets 5 BTC.
June 28, 2013, 12:20:59 AM
Story: Secession
Minimum Length: 5,000 words
First Prize: 1,000,000 devcoins
Second Prize: 500,000 devcoins
Scenario: A group of freedom fanatics buys an island and then secedes! There's at least a hundred of em, the island has enough farmland to support them, they have lots of guns, and they have good communication equipment including cellphones and at least one satellite phone and one ham radio transmitter.
Minimum Length: 5,000 words
First Prize: 1,000,000 devcoins
Second Prize: 500,000 devcoins
Scenario: A group of freedom fanatics buys an island and then secedes! There's at least a hundred of em, the island has enough farmland to support them, they have lots of guns, and they have good communication equipment including cellphones and at least one satellite phone and one ham radio transmitter.
Any deadline for this? I started drafting something tonight but I have to warn you, it doesn't have a happy ending.
No deadline, whoever hits 5,000 words first gets first prize.
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I started drafting something tonight but I have to warn you, it doesn't have a happy ending.
I didn't expect a happy ending, that's why I made sure they had communications equipment so their heroic sacrifice was remembered
June 27, 2013, 11:02:20 PM
Story: Secession
Minimum Length: 5,000 words
First Prize: 1,000,000 devcoins
Second Prize: 500,000 devcoins
Scenario: A group of freedom fanatics buys an island and then secedes! There's at least a hundred of em, the island has enough farmland to support them, they have lots of guns, and they have good communication equipment including cellphones and at least one satellite phone and one ham radio transmitter.
Minimum Length: 5,000 words
First Prize: 1,000,000 devcoins
Second Prize: 500,000 devcoins
Scenario: A group of freedom fanatics buys an island and then secedes! There's at least a hundred of em, the island has enough farmland to support them, they have lots of guns, and they have good communication equipment including cellphones and at least one satellite phone and one ham radio transmitter.
Any deadline for this? I started drafting something tonight but I have to warn you, it doesn't have a happy ending.
June 27, 2013, 08:10:21 PM
Story: Secession
Minimum Length: 5,000 words
First Prize: 1,000,000 devcoins
Second Prize: 500,000 devcoins
Scenario: A group of freedom fanatics buys an island and then secedes! There's at least a hundred of em, the island has enough farmland to support them, they have lots of guns, and they have good communication equipment including cellphones and at least one satellite phone and one ham radio transmitter.
Minimum Length: 5,000 words
First Prize: 1,000,000 devcoins
Second Prize: 500,000 devcoins
Scenario: A group of freedom fanatics buys an island and then secedes! There's at least a hundred of em, the island has enough farmland to support them, they have lots of guns, and they have good communication equipment including cellphones and at least one satellite phone and one ham radio transmitter.
June 27, 2013, 08:00:23 PM
Here's a variation to consider--might be an easier way to start.
Have a form on the Devtome or related to the Devtome where people can submit what it is they most want to read. It could be a type of fiction story, an answer to a burning question, or anything, really, as long as the request is specific. For example, instead of saying: "I like to read fiction," they should say "I'd like to read a thriller in which a hostile government attempts to destroy a promising cryptocoin by adding a malicious bug to automatic software updates which systematically deletes people's wallets and a band of scrappy computer hacks saves the day." BTW, my "example" is referencing this thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-governments-could-destroy-bitcoin-for-most-in-one-day-237284) in case anyone is curious as to how I came up with it
Submissions could be posted (following some screening process) and Devtome writers could choose to take on those subjects. Rather than having the one who submitted the request put up a bounty, just have those stories count double or something. So if I wrote a 30,000 word short novel covering the above topic, then rather than earning 30 shares I'd earn 60, just because I wrote something that someone else said they wanted to read. Any multiplier could work; I just use 2 as an example. I'd still earn 1 share for every thousand words I wrote that was just my own choice of content.
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Have a form on the Devtome or related to the Devtome where people can submit what it is they most want to read. It could be a type of fiction story, an answer to a burning question, or anything, really, as long as the request is specific. For example, instead of saying: "I like to read fiction," they should say "I'd like to read a thriller in which a hostile government attempts to destroy a promising cryptocoin by adding a malicious bug to automatic software updates which systematically deletes people's wallets and a band of scrappy computer hacks saves the day." BTW, my "example" is referencing this thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-governments-could-destroy-bitcoin-for-most-in-one-day-237284) in case anyone is curious as to how I came up with it
Submissions could be posted (following some screening process) and Devtome writers could choose to take on those subjects. Rather than having the one who submitted the request put up a bounty, just have those stories count double or something. So if I wrote a 30,000 word short novel covering the above topic, then rather than earning 30 shares I'd earn 60, just because I wrote something that someone else said they wanted to read. Any multiplier could work; I just use 2 as an example. I'd still earn 1 share for every thousand words I wrote that was just my own choice of content.
..
I like this idea, because writers already get paid for stories, so another payment system doesn't have to be made.
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I'm not a computer person, so I'm not sure how feasible the above idea is, nor how easy it would be to exploit.
Programs take a long time to make, longer than you expect even if you expect the unexpected. Automatic earnings are easy to exploit, at some point you need people to decide on payments.
I'd like to start with a moderated thread where readers could post their questions or story requests, along with how much they'll pay. Writers who want to make extra money could look over the thread and see if there's something worthwhile. Readers should post a first and second prize, so that a writer knows that they'll almost certainly get something, besides the devtome earnings.
If there is a lot of interest, we could make a bounty for a story site or question and answer site. I'm going to make a test post below, and people are welcome to comment on it.
June 26, 2013, 01:55:26 AM
This sounds to me like it would work better as something like StackExchange with DevCoin "tipping" for upvoted answers.
Honestly I don't see devtome's value. There are too many established alternatives: Wikipedia, various other wikis, blogsites and the like. I don't see how devtome fills a niche. Wouldn't it be better to try to convince the current infrastructure to receive devcoin donatoins than try to compete?
Honestly I don't see devtome's value. There are too many established alternatives: Wikipedia, various other wikis, blogsites and the like. I don't see how devtome fills a niche. Wouldn't it be better to try to convince the current infrastructure to receive devcoin donatoins than try to compete?
June 23, 2013, 12:27:35 AM
Has anyone actually written a description of how this works, or is spread like butter around devtome and massive troll-laden threads buried deep at bitcointalk?
As far as I can tell, the answer is no. I mean sure, there are pages on the Devtome (and mixed into many long forum threads) that more or less take you through the process you need to register as a writer and begin contributing content, but as far as an easy to follow nontechnical step by step guide which also includes the overall vision and goals for Devcoin and Devtome, all in one handy article, I haven't seen anything like that yet. Once I piece it together for myself, I may put something like that together. All it would really take (other than my own experience of the process) is some phone time with the developers, me asking some open ended questions, then listening and taking notes.
I'm finding that those who develop cryptocoins are very good with programming and computer technical stuff, but not so good at putting all that into writing. On the other hand, I haven't thoroughly explored every corner.
We nontechnical writers can have a role to play in bringing this out of the geek rafters and into ordinary people's everyday life... once we ourselves can wrap our heads around it
June 22, 2013, 11:27:15 PM
I tried going to devtome once.
You know I always say "dev to me" even though I guess it's "dev tome".
Anyways, I was not inspired to contribute. Somebody needs to get a curator on that site, stat.
I'm interested in devcoin, quite a bit. But i can't even find any decent info about it without dealing with Fin Shaagy x 1000.
The wallet seems messed up and does weird things with my hard drive, creating a bunch of misnamed directories and creating all kinds of spreadsheets and whatnot.
And what you're talking about here doesn't seem even related to what's going on at devtome, except that you want to compensate people for writing. It doesn't seem to replace or improve devtome at all.
*sigh*
Sorry this is a scrambled post but every time i look at devcoin stuff that's how i feel. Mixed feelings and scrambled thoughts. Has anyone actually written a description of how this works, or is spread like butter around devtome and massive troll-laden threads buried deep at bitcointalk?
Really I just came in here to post in a devcoin related thread that doesn't have fin shaggy in it (yet). And point out that even though I'm not sure what you're doing makes sense, it's nice to see somebody doing something.
over and out.
You know I always say "dev to me" even though I guess it's "dev tome".
Anyways, I was not inspired to contribute. Somebody needs to get a curator on that site, stat.
I'm interested in devcoin, quite a bit. But i can't even find any decent info about it without dealing with Fin Shaagy x 1000.
The wallet seems messed up and does weird things with my hard drive, creating a bunch of misnamed directories and creating all kinds of spreadsheets and whatnot.
And what you're talking about here doesn't seem even related to what's going on at devtome, except that you want to compensate people for writing. It doesn't seem to replace or improve devtome at all.
*sigh*
Sorry this is a scrambled post but every time i look at devcoin stuff that's how i feel. Mixed feelings and scrambled thoughts. Has anyone actually written a description of how this works, or is spread like butter around devtome and massive troll-laden threads buried deep at bitcointalk?
Really I just came in here to post in a devcoin related thread that doesn't have fin shaggy in it (yet). And point out that even though I'm not sure what you're doing makes sense, it's nice to see somebody doing something.
over and out.
June 22, 2013, 10:11:39 PM
As far as competition goes, I think competition for the best solution produces the best solutions. So that would be a good thing for somethings. There could be other sites which aren't as competition focused but my site uses the survival of the fittest algorithm to make the best solutions rise to the top.
I agree that often competition does produce the best solutions. I just know that I am not going to enjoy spending time composing an answer only to come in second place and get nothing for my efforts. So I probably won't be participating if that's the case with your site. But I definitely hope it's successful for you
1st to 5th place.
June 22, 2013, 07:11:31 PM
As far as competition goes, I think competition for the best solution produces the best solutions. So that would be a good thing for somethings. There could be other sites which aren't as competition focused but my site uses the survival of the fittest algorithm to make the best solutions rise to the top.
I agree that often competition does produce the best solutions. I just know that I am not going to enjoy spending time composing an answer only to come in second place and get nothing for my efforts. So I probably won't be participating if that's the case with your site. But I definitely hope it's successful for you
June 22, 2013, 06:43:58 PM
http://www.osqa.net/
This is currently one of the more popular Q and A open sourced platforms out there.
This is currently one of the more popular Q and A open sourced platforms out there.
The source code for Rugatu https://bitbucket.org/paraipan/rugatu/src
Anyway, I snatched up the domain names. So now how to implement? I have not figured out how best to manage the payment system in Devcoins.
June 22, 2013, 06:11:31 PM
http://www.osqa.net/
This is currently one of the more popular Q and A open sourced platforms out there.
This is currently one of the more popular Q and A open sourced platforms out there.
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